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New headings with BMW from Top 1,000,000 websites extracted on 2018-09-09

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Rose waits through more rain delays at BMW Championship 16
ПФР на BMW Послание имперцамКосяк Илона Маска 8
ساعت مچی زنانه BMW 8
2019 BMW R1200GS Colors 6
BMW 2017 6
BMW Genius 6
BMW X2 lộ ảnh cập cảng mọi thông tin khác đều bí mật 6
Would a coupe sort out the BMW Z4’s styling 6
1997 BMW E36 M3 Sedan 6
BMW zaprezentowało nowy model X5 w wersji plug-in hybrid 5
Νέο κέντρο προσομοίωσης οδήγησης από τη BMW 5
BMW 3 Series Saloon 5
Ιδού οι νέες BMW X3 M και X4 M 5
2018 BMW R 1200 GS 5
Video BMW X5 G05’s Self-Driving Reversing Assistant In Action! 4
BMW 360 Price with effective interest rate of 799 4
2013 – BMW 4
2020 BMW X2 Australia Price 4
بک کاور BMW آبی مناسب برای آیفون ۷ و ۸ 4
BMW X2 ‘M’ Dapat 306bhp 4
Главврач Еврейской больницы: один из пострадавших в ДТП на Фонтане находится в крайне тяжeлом состоянии а водителя «BMW» утром выписали 4
Video Interesting Results from BMW F10 M5 vs F90 M5 Acceleration Test 4
The new BMW 1 Series 4
BMW Museum and World: Brand Storytelling in Munich 4
BMW 320d Touring 4
2014 – BMW 4
BMW 6 Series 4
The world of BMW i 4
ساعت مچی کرنوگراف مردانه BMW M 4
Audi Q8: BMW X6 Range Rover Velar Rival To Debut In June 2018 4
El nuevo BMW X7 será desvelado en octubre 4
Rose leads by 1 shot Tiger 5 back at BMW Championship 4
BMW Incentives 4
2020 BMW X7 Concept Interior Exterior Canada 4
Video 2019 BMW 1 Series Testing with the BMW X2 4
Video Here’s Why the BMW i8 Roadster Is Worth Every Penny 4
Кривавий рецидив харківської ДТП в Одесі: поліція затримала гонщика який на BMW влетів у натовп 4
Of Passion and Joy: BMW G29 Z4 M40i sneaks into Singapore 4
Dẫn đầu BMW Championship Justin Rose có cơ hội lên số 1 thế giới 4
The new BMW 6 Series model range 3
THE ULTIMATE BMW RUNOUT EVENT 3
BMW X5 PHEV 3
Обзор BMW K1600 Grand America 3
2015 BMW M235i Coupe Staggered Tires 3
2018 BMW Championship tee times and pairings: Round 4 moved up for bad weather 3
BMW Advantage 3
بک کاور مدل BMW Motorsport مناسب برای گوشی موبایل آیفون ۶ 3
BMW 3 Series Sedan : Shadow amp Luminance Edition 3
BMW 5 Series Sedan stars in “Tom Clancy’s Jack Ryan” 3
THE ALL NEW BMW X3 3
BMW разкрива първия си болид от Формула Е ВИДЕО 3
16500 WORTH OF COMPLIMENTARY EXTRAS ON SELECTED BMW X4 X5 AND X6 MODELS 3
Video Virtual Drive on the E92 BMW M3 at the Transfagarasan 3
The first ever BMW i8 Roadster 3
Ваз-2101 купе на базе BMW 3 E46 — безумное превращение 3
BMW X2 có thêm phiên bản M35i thể thao 3
BMW X3 2005 3
ساعت مچی مردانه BMW 3
BMW will pay 116 Million in Dieselgate Fines 3
Video What Difference Do Coilovers Make a BMW 330d’s Ride amp Handling 3
BMW S1000RR 2019: Είναι ή δεν είναι 3
Service – BMW Autohaus 3
BMW lanzará su propio asistente virtual en Marzo de 2019 3
The new BMW M6 Coupe new BMW M6 Convertible and new BMW M6 Gran Coupe 3
Genuine BMW amp Pricing 3
Woods và McIlroy xảy chân Schauffele chiếm đỉnh bảng BMW C’ship 3
BMW X5 xDrive45e iPerformance: así es la versión híbrida enchufable 3
THE FIRST EVER BMW X2 3
ساعت مچی زنانه کلاسیک BMW 3
قاب کتابی مدل BMW Motorsport مناسب برای گوشی موبایل آیفون ۶ 3
2019 BMW i8 Roadster Feature Specifications amp Price 3
BMW Wheel Configurator 3
La 130 km/oră s-a dat „peste cap” cu BMW-ul pe Autostrada Transilvania! 3
BMW Sale: The Ultimate BMW Runout Event 3
Ночью в Курске ловили пьяного водителя на BMW 3
Review – BMW G 310 GS 3
BMW R1200 R 3
Đánh 62 gậy Tiger Woods và Rory McIlroy rúng động BMW Championship 3
BMW X3 M i X4 M spremni za proizvodne linije GALERIJA 3
قاب کتابی با لوگوی BMW مناسب برای گوشی موبایل آیفون ۶ 3
راهکار کاهش ترافیک BMW: خیابان های هوشمند برای دوچرخه های الکتریکی 3
ساعت مچی مردانه لاکچری BMW 3
Review BMW X2 2018 3
BMW NCAP Award 2014 3
Hivatalos fotókon a BMW X3 és X4 M – 450 lóerővel jöhetnek 3
تنضيف كربرتور ذو فتحتين – BMW 3
The all new BMW Z4 M40i First Edition 3
Трагедия на Фонтане: водителю «BMW» объявили о подозрении санкция суда ожидается завтра 3
BMW 2015 3
Video 2019 BMW X4 M Sport xDrive POV Test Drive 3
Нові подробиці ДТП в Одесі: світлофор не працював водій BMW відомий за вуличними перегонами 3
BMW MAP UPDATES NBT EVO VIDEO IN MOTION BMW APPLE CARPLAY ACTIVATION 3
시승기 우아하고 세련된 ‘마당쇠’ BMW 640i GT 3
BMW 116i 5-Türer 3
Video Modified E36 BMW M3 putting on a show 3
BMW X-5 40e 3
BMW R1100R “Muscle Brat” by Offset Moto 3
Naklejki BMW 3
KTC nagradna igra 2018: DOĐI U KTC I OSVOJI BMW 3
ساعت مچی مردانه کرنوگراف BMW 3
BMW R 1200 GS TE 3
BMW 2016 3
Charly Lamm On His Retirement From BMW Team Schnitzer 3
بک کاور با لوگوی BMW مناسب برای گوشی موبایل آیفون ۶ 3
The new BMW 3 Series Sedan and Touring 3
BMW M Series 3
Лучшие цены на BMW X в РОЛЬФ-Премиум до 3009 по мнению отдела продаж ДЦ РОЛЬФ-Премиум 2
Olha que dois: BMW X3 M e X4 M ‘à solta’ no Nürburgring 2
2012 BMW 1 Series 2
“줄서요 줄서!” BMW 전시관에서 주목받은 3대의 자동차 2
BMW Motorrad Introduces Three Bikes at MotoGP 2
C36120 ΚΙΤ ΧΡΟΝΙΣΜΟΥ BMW series 2
The New BMW X2 M35i Is An Inline-Four Preview Of The Next Hot 1-Series 2
BMW 3200 CS Coupe ’62 Price and Specs 2
ساعت مچی مردانه مشکی/نقره ای BMW 2
Independent BMW Specialist 2
Video A glimpse into the future by BMW i 2
2018 BMW R nineT 2
THE ULTIMATE BMW 2 DAY SALE 2
قاب BMW M مناسب برای آیفون ۷ و ۸ 2
فروش مدل های 2018 خودروهای BMW 2
BMW F800GS 2
Dođi u KTC i osvoji BMW 2
BMW X2 M235i: 306 cv 0 a 100 km/h em 49 segundos 2
Rose takes BMW top view 2
Drive the BMW 520d M Sport from R9 999 p/m with Business Navigation as standard 2
BMW Série 3 2
BMW Série 6 2
BMW Courtesy Car Service for the BMW International Open 2
BMW 528 2
BMW I8 COUPÉ PARA GTA SAN ANDREAS 2
BMW Fuel Injector – Genuine BMW 13538648937KTZNM 2
Bmw e38 montaż dużej navi 2
2004 BMW X5 44i 44i Sport Utility 4D 2
Justin Rose takes lead as BMW Championship scrambles to finish on time 2
2018 BMW R nineT Urban G/S 2
2019 BMW R1200GS Adventure Rumors Release Date 2
Трагедия на Фонтане: BMW влетел в остановку с людьми — есть жертвы видео 2
Xe ô tô điện BMW BLF 5188 2
Itt a BMW X5 legújabb adócsaló-változata 2
به سبک BMW زندگی کنید 2
BMW Vehicle Accessories 2
ساعت مچی مردانه نقره ای BMW 2
BMW lanseaza cel mai puternic motor diesel cu sase cilindri din lume 2
BMW’s Spartanburg complicated drives South Carolina’s development 2
Долгожданная премьера BMW Z4 2019 2
Bragg asked the Consumer Reports person Who’s been running your New Car Price Service for the past 20 years Rip Van Winkle He was not amused To read much of the USA TODAY Don’t Trust That Invoice Price write-up on that meeting in which Bragg was dubbed a peppery contrarian click here To understand how laughable new-car pricing is today check out the tiny percentage differences between the base invoice and retail/sticker prices for each brand: Acura/5-7 Audi/7 BMW/6 Buick/4-5 Cadillac/5 Chevy/5-7 Dodge/3-4 Ford/1-7 Genesis/5-7 GMC/5-7 Honda/3-9 Hyundai/3-7 Infiniti/7 Jeep/2-5 Kia/5-7 Lexus/5-8 Lincoln/4-5 Mazda/3-5 Mercedes/7 Mitsubishi/2-3 Nissan/2-7 Ram/4-9 Subaru/5-7 Toyota/4-9 VW/4-5 Volvo/6 And that’s if you pay the full sticker price! Who does that The guy who thinks Taco Bell is a Mexican phone company Add the fact that dealerships have an overhead expense of 12 to 15 of revenue and you’d have to be brain dead to believe the invoice price is in the same area code as any cost number The auto industry is having a good laugh at how gullible we are It’s even flipping us off now with pricing for the Chrysler Pacific Hybrid minivan: Invoice 44895 Retail 44995! Yet all the info and advice on those big auto-info websites is based on our swallowing – hook line and sinker – the preposterous notion that for decades automakers have been telling everyone what their dealers pay for their cars If that were true dealers would go ballistic But they don’t and they never did even before the Internet arrived Your responsibility as a person is to constantly update your positions on as many things as possible If you don’t contradict yourself regularly you’re not thinking – Malcolm Gladwell The inside story of the discovery of that game-changing fact is told in our book Letting The Cat Out Of The Bag: How The Auto Industry ‘Redesigned’ The Dealer invoice Price When The Internet Arrived available in paperback and Kindle format at Amazon To read the back cover copy Preface Table of Contents and the first four chapters click here If you’d like a author-signed copy 1495 including postage you can add that to your order for the Fighting Chance information package Here’s Bragg’s Take On Those Consumer Auto Pricing Sites Those sites are: a pitching the range of what other clueless shoppers have paid as the holy grail of transaction prices b using rebates which everyone gets and a comparison of their prices to the full sticker price which almost no one pays to inflate their claims of savings from using their services and c sending you on a ‘milk run’ to a small number of dealers in their networks who relish the thought of selling you a car at those prices and reward those conduit sites handsomely with the advertising and/or finder’s fees of 300 to 500 that comes out of your pocket Question: When you’re thinking about getting a new car are you sitting there saying Gee I hope I get a price that’s close to what everyone else is paying We don’t get to choose what is trueWe only get to choose what we do about it – Kami Garcia These Are The Facts About How Most Dealer Incentive Programs Work Today It’s 2018 not 1994 and that world isn’t flat anymore it’s round 90 of the bucks spent on dealer cash are in multi-month programs based on total sales targets and subjective issues like customers’ ratings of their selling dealerships NOT on sales of specific vehicles The rewards can be five to six-figure bonuses Some are stair-step promotions in which per-vehicle bonuses increase as dealers reach higher volume thresholds And no one can tell you any dealership’s target or performance level or when these programs start and end So reaching interim monthly goals along the way is crucially important There’s a lot of seasonality in the business and dealers can’t go into the last month 15 behind where they should have been based on that seasonal pattern That keeps steady sales pressure on month after month Dealers trailing their monthly targets near month-end will sell for much less and that’s likely to be different dealers each month WHAT’S IN THE FIGHTING CHANCE PACKAGE You’ll have the only independent unbiased source of truthful information and powerful negotiating advice on the Internet We’ve been focused single-mindedly on this subject since before the Dead Sea got sick and much of our knowledge has come from our customers’ feedback You’ll have us as your coaches as you go through the process Got a question Call us Want to run the numbers before you sign a lease Call us There’s no such thing as a silly question here In the package’s centerpiece How The PhoneEmail Attack Can Get You The Best Deal Saving You Time Money and Aggravation you’ll learn exactly what to do and say each step of the way as you conduct a competitive bidding process from your home or office Ideally you’ll enlist 9 or 10 dealers that you choose to make price proposals and you’ll go with the winner We also tell you the best day of each month to start the process You’ll receive our signature Big Picture analysis of how the brands and the specific vehicles you’re interested in have been doing in the market Are your model’s sales up or down Does the average dealer sell 2 per month or 22 This piece also reveals the current holdback information for brands that use it several don’t You’ll get the complete current sticker/MSRP and dealer invoice pricing data for the vehicles you’re considering covering all the trim levels and equipment packages Here’s a current list of model pricing available You’ll also get these insightful fact-based articles by Mr Bragg most of them information no other auto-info site will tell you Focus only on those relevant to your purchase or lease How We Abandoned Our Inborn Common Sense About New-Car Pricing How The Industry Has Turned The Invoice Price Into A Bloated ImposterBy Continually Raising It By More Than The MSRP For Over Two Decades How New-Car Dealers Make The Big Bucks And How They Don’t Today Incentives Often Differ From Market To Market Here’s How To Check The Offers Where You Are The Two Big ‘Fake News’ Come-ons To Ignore The Myth Of Vehicle-Specific Dealer Cash Incentives The Crucial Financial Importance Of A Dealership’s Customer Satisfaction Rating Important Note On The Pricing Of Dealer-Installed Accessories Can You Get The Vehicle Configuration You Want Things To Consider About Placing A Factory Order Have You Chosen A Crashworthy Vehicle Thoughts On Buying A Demo Or Last Year’s Leftover Model Should You Buy An Extended Warranty Dealing With A Trade-In If you tell us you have one Leasing 101: The Straight Skinny If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Here’s The Information We Need To Analyze Your ‘Best-Offer’ Lease Numbers With You If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Our unique package includes all the information you need to negotiate the best price on for any one vehicle You may place an order here on a secure encrypted order form at any time Special Message To Previous Customers The Fighting Chance package is always changing to reflect new knowledge and the best ways to deal with the changing realities in the retail car business Sometimes the changes are dramatic For example the method for getting competitive bids differs substantially from the arms-length/one-step fax or email attack process we recommended several years ago At other times the changes are small but represent worthwhile improvements The suggested wording in the note you’ll send dealers is fine-tuned often The package you’d receive today will typically include several insightful changes compared to the one you ordered years ago The Cost Of This Unique Package 4495 Includes all the information you need for any one vehicle Additional vehicles: 1500 each More than half of our customers add one or more additional vehicles as fall-back alternatives This could become a small but wise 1500 decision if you find it difficult to deal on your first choice Considering the substantial cost of the new vehicle you’re about to buy or lease isn’t this a relatively small price to pay for the comprehensive Fighting Chance information package Important Note: This is a service for NEW VEHICLES ONLY We have no information on used vehicles Also we have NO CANADIAN PRICING DATA Copyright © 2017 Fighting Chance Home 2
For 25 years I’ve been on a mission to unearth and expose the long-hidden truths that Consumer Reports TrueCar Edmunds Carscom Kelley Blue Book and the auto industry don’t want you to know Those facts demolish all their conventional wisdom about how to buy a car and they transfer the negotiating leverage from the dealers to you Isn’t it time you stopped looking at the way to buy a new car through their rear-view mirrors PS Will you visit me when I enter the witness protection program JAMES BRAGG HOW TO ORDER THE PACKAGE AND WHEN AND HOW YOU’LL GET IT To place an order on our secure encrypted order form click on the Ordering link in the upper left column If you’d prefer to place a phone order or if you have questions that aren’t answered on our web site you may call our order desk at 1-562-433-8489 between 9:15AM and 4:00PM Pacific time Monday through Friday To see the vehicles for which we have pricing info click on the Auto Pricing link in that column Normal Delivery Timing: 99 of our customers request email delivery This is a tiny information boutique We usually send email orders by the next business day — with one exception this fall My assistant who sends the orders is a college grad school student who’s in class all day Tuesday this semester SO LATE MONDAY ORDERS AND ALL TUESDAY’S WILL USUALLY BE EMAILED TO CUSTOMERS ON WEDNESDAY We’ll be here 562-433-8489 to answer your questions and analyze your best lease offer weekdays between 9:15 AM and 4:00 PM Pacific time For a sneak peek at what you’ll get for 4495 scroll down to What’s In The Fighting Chance Package The Dealer Invoice Price Has Become a Bloated Imposter That Has Had Nothing To Do With Any New Car’s Real Cost For Twenty Three Years! And The Industry Moves It Further From Any Cost As noted above Bragg proved it to senior execs of Consumer Reports Kelley Blue Book Edmunds Carscom and TrueCar in a 11/27/12 USA TODAY Automotive Roundtable discussion of whether online car shopping and information services are believable and are relevant in today’s market To see it click here You could have heard a pin drop Incredibly no one was aware of a game-changing fact that had been in front of their noses for 17 years! It’s their worst nightmare because it exposes their pay what others paid as terrible advice Bragg asked the Consumer Reports person Who’s been running your New Car Price Service for the past 20 years Rip Van Winkle He was not amused To read much of the USA TODAY Don’t Trust That Invoice Price write-up on that meeting in which Bragg was dubbed a peppery contrarian click here To understand how laughable new-car pricing is today check out the tiny percentage differences between the base invoice and retail/sticker prices for each brand: Acura/5-7 Audi/7 BMW/6 Buick/4-5 Cadillac/5 Chevy/5-7 Dodge/3-4 Ford/1-7 Genesis/5-7 GMC/5-7 Honda/3-9 Hyundai/3-7 Infiniti/7 Jeep/2-5 Kia/5-7 Lexus/5-8 Lincoln/4-5 Mazda/3-5 Mercedes/7 Mitsubishi/2-3 Nissan/2-7 Ram/4-9 Subaru/5-7 Toyota/4-9 VW/4-5 Volvo/6 And that’s if you pay the full sticker price! Who does that The guy who thinks Taco Bell is a Mexican phone company Add the fact that dealerships have an overhead expense of 12 to 15 of revenue and you’d have to be brain dead to believe the invoice price is in the same area code as any cost number The auto industry is having a good laugh at how gullible we are It’s even flipping us off now with pricing for the Chrysler Pacific Hybrid minivan: Invoice 44895 Retail 44995! Yet all the info and advice on those big auto-info websites is based on our swallowing – hook line and sinker – the preposterous notion that for decades automakers have been telling everyone what their dealers pay for their cars If that were true dealers would go ballistic But they don’t and they never did even before the Internet arrived Your responsibility as a person is to constantly update your positions on as many things as possible If you don’t contradict yourself regularly you’re not thinking – Malcolm Gladwell The inside story of the discovery of that game-changing fact is told in our book Letting The Cat Out Of The Bag: How The Auto Industry ‘Redesigned’ The Dealer invoice Price When The Internet Arrived available in paperback and Kindle format at Amazon To read the back cover copy Preface Table of Contents and the first four chapters click here If you’d like a author-signed copy 1495 including postage you can add that to your order for the Fighting Chance information package Here’s Bragg’s Take On Those Consumer Auto Pricing Sites Those sites are: a pitching the range of what other clueless shoppers have paid as the holy grail of transaction prices b using rebates which everyone gets and a comparison of their prices to the full sticker price which almost no one pays to inflate their claims of savings from using their services and c sending you on a ‘milk run’ to a small number of dealers in their networks who relish the thought of selling you a car at those prices and reward those conduit sites handsomely with the advertising and/or finder’s fees of 300 to 500 that comes out of your pocket Question: When you’re thinking about getting a new car are you sitting there saying Gee I hope I get a price that’s close to what everyone else is paying We don’t get to choose what is trueWe only get to choose what we do about it – Kami Garcia These Are The Facts About How Most Dealer Incentive Programs Work Today It’s 2018 not 1994 and that world isn’t flat anymore it’s round 90 of the bucks spent on dealer cash are in multi-month programs based on total sales targets and subjective issues like customers’ ratings of their selling dealerships NOT on sales of specific vehicles The rewards can be five to six-figure bonuses Some are stair-step promotions in which per-vehicle bonuses increase as dealers reach higher volume thresholds And no one can tell you any dealership’s target or performance level or when these programs start and end So reaching interim monthly goals along the way is crucially important There’s a lot of seasonality in the business and dealers can’t go into the last month 15 behind where they should have been based on that seasonal pattern That keeps steady sales pressure on month after month Dealers trailing their monthly targets near month-end will sell for much less and that’s likely to be different dealers each month WHAT’S IN THE FIGHTING CHANCE PACKAGE You’ll have the only independent unbiased source of truthful information and powerful negotiating advice on the Internet We’ve been focused single-mindedly on this subject since before the Dead Sea got sick and much of our knowledge has come from our customers’ feedback You’ll have us as your coaches as you go through the process Got a question Call us Want to run the numbers before you sign a lease Call us There’s no such thing as a silly question here In the package’s centerpiece How The PhoneEmail Attack Can Get You The Best Deal Saving You Time Money and Aggravation you’ll learn exactly what to do and say each step of the way as you conduct a competitive bidding process from your home or office Ideally you’ll enlist 9 or 10 dealers that you choose to make price proposals and you’ll go with the winner We also tell you the best day of each month to start the process You’ll receive our signature Big Picture analysis of how the brands and the specific vehicles you’re interested in have been doing in the market Are your model’s sales up or down Does the average dealer sell 2 per month or 22 This piece also reveals the current holdback information for brands that use it several don’t You’ll get the complete current sticker/MSRP and dealer invoice pricing data for the vehicles you’re considering covering all the trim levels and equipment packages Here’s a current list of model pricing available You’ll also get these insightful fact-based articles by Mr Bragg most of them information no other auto-info site will tell you Focus only on those relevant to your purchase or lease How We Abandoned Our Inborn Common Sense About New-Car Pricing How The Industry Has Turned The Invoice Price Into A Bloated ImposterBy Continually Raising It By More Than The MSRP For Over Two Decades How New-Car Dealers Make The Big Bucks And How They Don’t Today Incentives Often Differ From Market To Market Here’s How To Check The Offers Where You Are The Two Big ‘Fake News’ Come-ons To Ignore The Myth Of Vehicle-Specific Dealer Cash Incentives The Crucial Financial Importance Of A Dealership’s Customer Satisfaction Rating Important Note On The Pricing Of Dealer-Installed Accessories Can You Get The Vehicle Configuration You Want Things To Consider About Placing A Factory Order Have You Chosen A Crashworthy Vehicle Thoughts On Buying A Demo Or Last Year’s Leftover Model Should You Buy An Extended Warranty Dealing With A Trade-In If you tell us you have one Leasing 101: The Straight Skinny If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Here’s The Information We Need To Analyze Your ‘Best-Offer’ Lease Numbers With You If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Our unique package includes all the information you need to negotiate the best price on for any one vehicle You may place an order here on a secure encrypted order form at any time Special Message To Previous Customers The Fighting Chance package is always changing to reflect new knowledge and the best ways to deal with the changing realities in the retail car business Sometimes the changes are dramatic For example the method for getting competitive bids differs substantially from the arms-length/one-step fax or email attack process we recommended several years ago At other times the changes are small but represent worthwhile improvements The suggested wording in the note you’ll send dealers is fine-tuned often The package you’d receive today will typically include several insightful changes compared to the one you ordered years ago The Cost Of This Unique Package 4495 Includes all the information you need for any one vehicle Additional vehicles: 1500 each More than half of our customers add one or more additional vehicles as fall-back alternatives This could become a small but wise 1500 decision if you find it difficult to deal on your first choice Considering the substantial cost of the new vehicle you’re about to buy or lease isn’t this a relatively small price to pay for the comprehensive Fighting Chance information package Important Note: This is a service for NEW VEHICLES ONLY We have no information on used vehicles Also we have NO CANADIAN PRICING DATA Copyright © 2017 Fighting Chance Home 2
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For a sneak peek at what you’ll get for 4495 scroll down to What’s In The Fighting Chance Package The Dealer Invoice Price Has Become a Bloated Imposter That Has Had Nothing To Do With Any New Car’s Real Cost For Twenty Three Years! And The Industry Moves It Further From Any Cost As noted above Bragg proved it to senior execs of Consumer Reports Kelley Blue Book Edmunds Carscom and TrueCar in a 11/27/12 USA TODAY Automotive Roundtable discussion of whether online car shopping and information services are believable and are relevant in today’s market To see it click here You could have heard a pin drop Incredibly no one was aware of a game-changing fact that had been in front of their noses for 17 years! It’s their worst nightmare because it exposes their pay what others paid as terrible advice Bragg asked the Consumer Reports person Who’s been running your New Car Price Service for the past 20 years Rip Van Winkle He was not amused To read much of the USA TODAY Don’t Trust That Invoice Price write-up on that meeting in which Bragg was dubbed a peppery contrarian click here To understand how laughable new-car pricing is today check out the tiny percentage differences between the base invoice and retail/sticker prices for each brand: Acura/5-7 Audi/7 BMW/6 Buick/4-5 Cadillac/5 Chevy/5-7 Dodge/3-4 Ford/1-7 Genesis/5-7 GMC/5-7 Honda/3-9 Hyundai/3-7 Infiniti/7 Jeep/2-5 Kia/5-7 Lexus/5-8 Lincoln/4-5 Mazda/3-5 Mercedes/7 Mitsubishi/2-3 Nissan/2-7 Ram/4-9 Subaru/5-7 Toyota/4-9 VW/4-5 Volvo/6 And that’s if you pay the full sticker price! Who does that The guy who thinks Taco Bell is a Mexican phone company Add the fact that dealerships have an overhead expense of 12 to 15 of revenue and you’d have to be brain dead to believe the invoice price is in the same area code as any cost number The auto industry is having a good laugh at how gullible we are It’s even flipping us off now with pricing for the Chrysler Pacific Hybrid minivan: Invoice 44895 Retail 44995! Yet all the info and advice on those big auto-info websites is based on our swallowing – hook line and sinker – the preposterous notion that for decades automakers have been telling everyone what their dealers pay for their cars If that were true dealers would go ballistic But they don’t and they never did even before the Internet arrived Your responsibility as a person is to constantly update your positions on as many things as possible If you don’t contradict yourself regularly you’re not thinking – Malcolm Gladwell The inside story of the discovery of that game-changing fact is told in our book Letting The Cat Out Of The Bag: How The Auto Industry ‘Redesigned’ The Dealer invoice Price When The Internet Arrived available in paperback and Kindle format at Amazon To read the back cover copy Preface Table of Contents and the first four chapters click here If you’d like a author-signed copy 1495 including postage you can add that to your order for the Fighting Chance information package Here’s Bragg’s Take On Those Consumer Auto Pricing Sites Those sites are: a pitching the range of what other clueless shoppers have paid as the holy grail of transaction prices b using rebates which everyone gets and a comparison of their prices to the full sticker price which almost no one pays to inflate their claims of savings from using their services and c sending you on a ‘milk run’ to a small number of dealers in their networks who relish the thought of selling you a car at those prices and reward those conduit sites handsomely with the advertising and/or finder’s fees of 300 to 500 that comes out of your pocket Question: When you’re thinking about getting a new car are you sitting there saying Gee I hope I get a price that’s close to what everyone else is paying We don’t get to choose what is trueWe only get to choose what we do about it – Kami Garcia These Are The Facts About How Most Dealer Incentive Programs Work Today It’s 2018 not 1994 and that world isn’t flat anymore it’s round 90 of the bucks spent on dealer cash are in multi-month programs based on total sales targets and subjective issues like customers’ ratings of their selling dealerships NOT on sales of specific vehicles The rewards can be five to six-figure bonuses Some are stair-step promotions in which per-vehicle bonuses increase as dealers reach higher volume thresholds And no one can tell you any dealership’s target or performance level or when these programs start and end So reaching interim monthly goals along the way is crucially important There’s a lot of seasonality in the business and dealers can’t go into the last month 15 behind where they should have been based on that seasonal pattern That keeps steady sales pressure on month after month Dealers trailing their monthly targets near month-end will sell for much less and that’s likely to be different dealers each month WHAT’S IN THE FIGHTING CHANCE PACKAGE You’ll have the only independent unbiased source of truthful information and powerful negotiating advice on the Internet We’ve been focused single-mindedly on this subject since before the Dead Sea got sick and much of our knowledge has come from our customers’ feedback You’ll have us as your coaches as you go through the process Got a question Call us Want to run the numbers before you sign a lease Call us There’s no such thing as a silly question here In the package’s centerpiece How The PhoneEmail Attack Can Get You The Best Deal Saving You Time Money and Aggravation you’ll learn exactly what to do and say each step of the way as you conduct a competitive bidding process from your home or office Ideally you’ll enlist 9 or 10 dealers that you choose to make price proposals and you’ll go with the winner We also tell you the best day of each month to start the process You’ll receive our signature Big Picture analysis of how the brands and the specific vehicles you’re interested in have been doing in the market Are your model’s sales up or down Does the average dealer sell 2 per month or 22 This piece also reveals the current holdback information for brands that use it several don’t You’ll get the complete current sticker/MSRP and dealer invoice pricing data for the vehicles you’re considering covering all the trim levels and equipment packages Here’s a current list of model pricing available You’ll also get these insightful fact-based articles by Mr Bragg most of them information no other auto-info site will tell you Focus only on those relevant to your purchase or lease How We Abandoned Our Inborn Common Sense About New-Car Pricing How The Industry Has Turned The Invoice Price Into A Bloated ImposterBy Continually Raising It By More Than The MSRP For Over Two Decades How New-Car Dealers Make The Big Bucks And How They Don’t Today Incentives Often Differ From Market To Market Here’s How To Check The Offers Where You Are The Two Big ‘Fake News’ Come-ons To Ignore The Myth Of Vehicle-Specific Dealer Cash Incentives The Crucial Financial Importance Of A Dealership’s Customer Satisfaction Rating Important Note On The Pricing Of Dealer-Installed Accessories Can You Get The Vehicle Configuration You Want Things To Consider About Placing A Factory Order Have You Chosen A Crashworthy Vehicle Thoughts On Buying A Demo Or Last Year’s Leftover Model Should You Buy An Extended Warranty Dealing With A Trade-In If you tell us you have one Leasing 101: The Straight Skinny If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Here’s The Information We Need To Analyze Your ‘Best-Offer’ Lease Numbers With You If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Our unique package includes all the information you need to negotiate the best price on for any one vehicle You may place an order here on a secure encrypted order form at any time Special Message To Previous Customers The Fighting Chance package is always changing to reflect new knowledge and the best ways to deal with the changing realities in the retail car business Sometimes the changes are dramatic For example the method for getting competitive bids differs substantially from the arms-length/one-step fax or email attack process we recommended several years ago At other times the changes are small but represent worthwhile improvements The suggested wording in the note you’ll send dealers is fine-tuned often The package you’d receive today will typically include several insightful changes compared to the one you ordered years ago The Cost Of This Unique Package 4495 Includes all the information you need for any one vehicle Additional vehicles: 1500 each More than half of our customers add one or more additional vehicles as fall-back alternatives This could become a small but wise 1500 decision if you find it difficult to deal on your first choice Considering the substantial cost of the new vehicle you’re about to buy or lease isn’t this a relatively small price to pay for the comprehensive Fighting Chance information package Important Note: This is a service for NEW VEHICLES ONLY We have no information on used vehicles Also we have NO CANADIAN PRICING DATA Copyright © 2017 Fighting Chance Home 2
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You could have heard a pin drop Incredibly no one was aware of a game-changing fact that had been in front of their noses for 17 years! It’s their worst nightmare because it exposes their pay what others paid as terrible advice Bragg asked the Consumer Reports person Who’s been running your New Car Price Service for the past 20 years Rip Van Winkle He was not amused To read much of the USA TODAY Don’t Trust That Invoice Price write-up on that meeting in which Bragg was dubbed a peppery contrarian click here To understand how laughable new-car pricing is today check out the tiny percentage differences between the base invoice and retail/sticker prices for each brand: Acura/5-7 Audi/7 BMW/6 Buick/4-5 Cadillac/5 Chevy/5-7 Dodge/3-4 Ford/1-7 Genesis/5-7 GMC/5-7 Honda/3-9 Hyundai/3-7 Infiniti/7 Jeep/2-5 Kia/5-7 Lexus/5-8 Lincoln/4-5 Mazda/3-5 Mercedes/7 Mitsubishi/2-3 Nissan/2-7 Ram/4-9 Subaru/5-7 Toyota/4-9 VW/4-5 Volvo/6 And that’s if you pay the full sticker price! Who does that The guy who thinks Taco Bell is a Mexican phone company Add the fact that dealerships have an overhead expense of 12 to 15 of revenue and you’d have to be brain dead to believe the invoice price is in the same area code as any cost number The auto industry is having a good laugh at how gullible we are It’s even flipping us off now with pricing for the Chrysler Pacific Hybrid minivan: Invoice 44895 Retail 44995! Yet all the info and advice on those big auto-info websites is based on our swallowing – hook line and sinker – the preposterous notion that for decades automakers have been telling everyone what their dealers pay for their cars If that were true dealers would go ballistic But they don’t and they never did even before the Internet arrived Your responsibility as a person is to constantly update your positions on as many things as possible If you don’t contradict yourself regularly you’re not thinking – Malcolm Gladwell The inside story of the discovery of that game-changing fact is told in our book Letting The Cat Out Of The Bag: How The Auto Industry ‘Redesigned’ The Dealer invoice Price When The Internet Arrived available in paperback and Kindle format at Amazon To read the back cover copy Preface Table of Contents and the first four chapters click here If you’d like a author-signed copy 1495 including postage you can add that to your order for the Fighting Chance information package Here’s Bragg’s Take On Those Consumer Auto Pricing Sites Those sites are: a pitching the range of what other clueless shoppers have paid as the holy grail of transaction prices b using rebates which everyone gets and a comparison of their prices to the full sticker price which almost no one pays to inflate their claims of savings from using their services and c sending you on a ‘milk run’ to a small number of dealers in their networks who relish the thought of selling you a car at those prices and reward those conduit sites handsomely with the advertising and/or finder’s fees of 300 to 500 that comes out of your pocket Question: When you’re thinking about getting a new car are you sitting there saying Gee I hope I get a price that’s close to what everyone else is paying We don’t get to choose what is trueWe only get to choose what we do about it – Kami Garcia These Are The Facts About How Most Dealer Incentive Programs Work Today It’s 2018 not 1994 and that world isn’t flat anymore it’s round 90 of the bucks spent on dealer cash are in multi-month programs based on total sales targets and subjective issues like customers’ ratings of their selling dealerships NOT on sales of specific vehicles The rewards can be five to six-figure bonuses Some are stair-step promotions in which per-vehicle bonuses increase as dealers reach higher volume thresholds And no one can tell you any dealership’s target or performance level or when these programs start and end So reaching interim monthly goals along the way is crucially important There’s a lot of seasonality in the business and dealers can’t go into the last month 15 behind where they should have been based on that seasonal pattern That keeps steady sales pressure on month after month Dealers trailing their monthly targets near month-end will sell for much less and that’s likely to be different dealers each month WHAT’S IN THE FIGHTING CHANCE PACKAGE You’ll have the only independent unbiased source of truthful information and powerful negotiating advice on the Internet We’ve been focused single-mindedly on this subject since before the Dead Sea got sick and much of our knowledge has come from our customers’ feedback You’ll have us as your coaches as you go through the process Got a question Call us Want to run the numbers before you sign a lease Call us There’s no such thing as a silly question here In the package’s centerpiece How The PhoneEmail Attack Can Get You The Best Deal Saving You Time Money and Aggravation you’ll learn exactly what to do and say each step of the way as you conduct a competitive bidding process from your home or office Ideally you’ll enlist 9 or 10 dealers that you choose to make price proposals and you’ll go with the winner We also tell you the best day of each month to start the process You’ll receive our signature Big Picture analysis of how the brands and the specific vehicles you’re interested in have been doing in the market Are your model’s sales up or down Does the average dealer sell 2 per month or 22 This piece also reveals the current holdback information for brands that use it several don’t You’ll get the complete current sticker/MSRP and dealer invoice pricing data for the vehicles you’re considering covering all the trim levels and equipment packages Here’s a current list of model pricing available You’ll also get these insightful fact-based articles by Mr Bragg most of them information no other auto-info site will tell you Focus only on those relevant to your purchase or lease How We Abandoned Our Inborn Common Sense About New-Car Pricing How The Industry Has Turned The Invoice Price Into A Bloated ImposterBy Continually Raising It By More Than The MSRP For Over Two Decades How New-Car Dealers Make The Big Bucks And How They Don’t Today Incentives Often Differ From Market To Market Here’s How To Check The Offers Where You Are The Two Big ‘Fake News’ Come-ons To Ignore The Myth Of Vehicle-Specific Dealer Cash Incentives The Crucial Financial Importance Of A Dealership’s Customer Satisfaction Rating Important Note On The Pricing Of Dealer-Installed Accessories Can You Get The Vehicle Configuration You Want Things To Consider About Placing A Factory Order Have You Chosen A Crashworthy Vehicle Thoughts On Buying A Demo Or Last Year’s Leftover Model Should You Buy An Extended Warranty Dealing With A Trade-In If you tell us you have one Leasing 101: The Straight Skinny If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Here’s The Information We Need To Analyze Your ‘Best-Offer’ Lease Numbers With You If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Our unique package includes all the information you need to negotiate the best price on for any one vehicle You may place an order here on a secure encrypted order form at any time Special Message To Previous Customers The Fighting Chance package is always changing to reflect new knowledge and the best ways to deal with the changing realities in the retail car business Sometimes the changes are dramatic For example the method for getting competitive bids differs substantially from the arms-length/one-step fax or email attack process we recommended several years ago At other times the changes are small but represent worthwhile improvements The suggested wording in the note you’ll send dealers is fine-tuned often The package you’d receive today will typically include several insightful changes compared to the one you ordered years ago The Cost Of This Unique Package 4495 Includes all the information you need for any one vehicle Additional vehicles: 1500 each More than half of our customers add one or more additional vehicles as fall-back alternatives This could become a small but wise 1500 decision if you find it difficult to deal on your first choice Considering the substantial cost of the new vehicle you’re about to buy or lease isn’t this a relatively small price to pay for the comprehensive Fighting Chance information package Important Note: This is a service for NEW VEHICLES ONLY We have no information on used vehicles Also we have NO CANADIAN PRICING DATA Copyright © 2017 Fighting Chance Home 2
We’ll be here 562-433-8489 to answer your questions and analyze your best lease offer weekdays between 9:15 AM and 4:00 PM Pacific time For a sneak peek at what you’ll get for 4495 scroll down to What’s In The Fighting Chance Package The Dealer Invoice Price Has Become a Bloated Imposter That Has Had Nothing To Do With Any New Car’s Real Cost For Twenty Three Years! And The Industry Moves It Further From Any Cost As noted above Bragg proved it to senior execs of Consumer Reports Kelley Blue Book Edmunds Carscom and TrueCar in a 11/27/12 USA TODAY Automotive Roundtable discussion of whether online car shopping and information services are believable and are relevant in today’s market To see it click here You could have heard a pin drop Incredibly no one was aware of a game-changing fact that had been in front of their noses for 17 years! It’s their worst nightmare because it exposes their pay what others paid as terrible advice Bragg asked the Consumer Reports person Who’s been running your New Car Price Service for the past 20 years Rip Van Winkle He was not amused To read much of the USA TODAY Don’t Trust That Invoice Price write-up on that meeting in which Bragg was dubbed a peppery contrarian click here To understand how laughable new-car pricing is today check out the tiny percentage differences between the base invoice and retail/sticker prices for each brand: Acura/5-7 Audi/7 BMW/6 Buick/4-5 Cadillac/5 Chevy/5-7 Dodge/3-4 Ford/1-7 Genesis/5-7 GMC/5-7 Honda/3-9 Hyundai/3-7 Infiniti/7 Jeep/2-5 Kia/5-7 Lexus/5-8 Lincoln/4-5 Mazda/3-5 Mercedes/7 Mitsubishi/2-3 Nissan/2-7 Ram/4-9 Subaru/5-7 Toyota/4-9 VW/4-5 Volvo/6 And that’s if you pay the full sticker price! Who does that The guy who thinks Taco Bell is a Mexican phone company Add the fact that dealerships have an overhead expense of 12 to 15 of revenue and you’d have to be brain dead to believe the invoice price is in the same area code as any cost number The auto industry is having a good laugh at how gullible we are It’s even flipping us off now with pricing for the Chrysler Pacific Hybrid minivan: Invoice 44895 Retail 44995! Yet all the info and advice on those big auto-info websites is based on our swallowing – hook line and sinker – the preposterous notion that for decades automakers have been telling everyone what their dealers pay for their cars If that were true dealers would go ballistic But they don’t and they never did even before the Internet arrived Your responsibility as a person is to constantly update your positions on as many things as possible If you don’t contradict yourself regularly you’re not thinking – Malcolm Gladwell The inside story of the discovery of that game-changing fact is told in our book Letting The Cat Out Of The Bag: How The Auto Industry ‘Redesigned’ The Dealer invoice Price When The Internet Arrived available in paperback and Kindle format at Amazon To read the back cover copy Preface Table of Contents and the first four chapters click here If you’d like a author-signed copy 1495 including postage you can add that to your order for the Fighting Chance information package Here’s Bragg’s Take On Those Consumer Auto Pricing Sites Those sites are: a pitching the range of what other clueless shoppers have paid as the holy grail of transaction prices b using rebates which everyone gets and a comparison of their prices to the full sticker price which almost no one pays to inflate their claims of savings from using their services and c sending you on a ‘milk run’ to a small number of dealers in their networks who relish the thought of selling you a car at those prices and reward those conduit sites handsomely with the advertising and/or finder’s fees of 300 to 500 that comes out of your pocket Question: When you’re thinking about getting a new car are you sitting there saying Gee I hope I get a price that’s close to what everyone else is paying We don’t get to choose what is trueWe only get to choose what we do about it – Kami Garcia These Are The Facts About How Most Dealer Incentive Programs Work Today It’s 2018 not 1994 and that world isn’t flat anymore it’s round 90 of the bucks spent on dealer cash are in multi-month programs based on total sales targets and subjective issues like customers’ ratings of their selling dealerships NOT on sales of specific vehicles The rewards can be five to six-figure bonuses Some are stair-step promotions in which per-vehicle bonuses increase as dealers reach higher volume thresholds And no one can tell you any dealership’s target or performance level or when these programs start and end So reaching interim monthly goals along the way is crucially important There’s a lot of seasonality in the business and dealers can’t go into the last month 15 behind where they should have been based on that seasonal pattern That keeps steady sales pressure on month after month Dealers trailing their monthly targets near month-end will sell for much less and that’s likely to be different dealers each month WHAT’S IN THE FIGHTING CHANCE PACKAGE You’ll have the only independent unbiased source of truthful information and powerful negotiating advice on the Internet We’ve been focused single-mindedly on this subject since before the Dead Sea got sick and much of our knowledge has come from our customers’ feedback You’ll have us as your coaches as you go through the process Got a question Call us Want to run the numbers before you sign a lease Call us There’s no such thing as a silly question here In the package’s centerpiece How The PhoneEmail Attack Can Get You The Best Deal Saving You Time Money and Aggravation you’ll learn exactly what to do and say each step of the way as you conduct a competitive bidding process from your home or office Ideally you’ll enlist 9 or 10 dealers that you choose to make price proposals and you’ll go with the winner We also tell you the best day of each month to start the process You’ll receive our signature Big Picture analysis of how the brands and the specific vehicles you’re interested in have been doing in the market Are your model’s sales up or down Does the average dealer sell 2 per month or 22 This piece also reveals the current holdback information for brands that use it several don’t You’ll get the complete current sticker/MSRP and dealer invoice pricing data for the vehicles you’re considering covering all the trim levels and equipment packages Here’s a current list of model pricing available You’ll also get these insightful fact-based articles by Mr Bragg most of them information no other auto-info site will tell you Focus only on those relevant to your purchase or lease How We Abandoned Our Inborn Common Sense About New-Car Pricing How The Industry Has Turned The Invoice Price Into A Bloated ImposterBy Continually Raising It By More Than The MSRP For Over Two Decades How New-Car Dealers Make The Big Bucks And How They Don’t Today Incentives Often Differ From Market To Market Here’s How To Check The Offers Where You Are The Two Big ‘Fake News’ Come-ons To Ignore The Myth Of Vehicle-Specific Dealer Cash Incentives The Crucial Financial Importance Of A Dealership’s Customer Satisfaction Rating Important Note On The Pricing Of Dealer-Installed Accessories Can You Get The Vehicle Configuration You Want Things To Consider About Placing A Factory Order Have You Chosen A Crashworthy Vehicle Thoughts On Buying A Demo Or Last Year’s Leftover Model Should You Buy An Extended Warranty Dealing With A Trade-In If you tell us you have one Leasing 101: The Straight Skinny If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Here’s The Information We Need To Analyze Your ‘Best-Offer’ Lease Numbers With You If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Our unique package includes all the information you need to negotiate the best price on for any one vehicle You may place an order here on a secure encrypted order form at any time Special Message To Previous Customers The Fighting Chance package is always changing to reflect new knowledge and the best ways to deal with the changing realities in the retail car business Sometimes the changes are dramatic For example the method for getting competitive bids differs substantially from the arms-length/one-step fax or email attack process we recommended several years ago At other times the changes are small but represent worthwhile improvements The suggested wording in the note you’ll send dealers is fine-tuned often The package you’d receive today will typically include several insightful changes compared to the one you ordered years ago The Cost Of This Unique Package 4495 Includes all the information you need for any one vehicle Additional vehicles: 1500 each More than half of our customers add one or more additional vehicles as fall-back alternatives This could become a small but wise 1500 decision if you find it difficult to deal on your first choice Considering the substantial cost of the new vehicle you’re about to buy or lease isn’t this a relatively small price to pay for the comprehensive Fighting Chance information package Important Note: This is a service for NEW VEHICLES ONLY We have no information on used vehicles Also we have NO CANADIAN PRICING DATA Copyright © 2017 Fighting Chance Home 2
The Dealer Invoice Price Has Become a Bloated Imposter That Has Had Nothing To Do With Any New Car’s Real Cost For Twenty Three Years! And The Industry Moves It Further From Any Cost As noted above Bragg proved it to senior execs of Consumer Reports Kelley Blue Book Edmunds Carscom and TrueCar in a 11/27/12 USA TODAY Automotive Roundtable discussion of whether online car shopping and information services are believable and are relevant in today’s market To see it click here You could have heard a pin drop Incredibly no one was aware of a game-changing fact that had been in front of their noses for 17 years! It’s their worst nightmare because it exposes their pay what others paid as terrible advice Bragg asked the Consumer Reports person Who’s been running your New Car Price Service for the past 20 years Rip Van Winkle He was not amused To read much of the USA TODAY Don’t Trust That Invoice Price write-up on that meeting in which Bragg was dubbed a peppery contrarian click here To understand how laughable new-car pricing is today check out the tiny percentage differences between the base invoice and retail/sticker prices for each brand: Acura/5-7 Audi/7 BMW/6 Buick/4-5 Cadillac/5 Chevy/5-7 Dodge/3-4 Ford/1-7 Genesis/5-7 GMC/5-7 Honda/3-9 Hyundai/3-7 Infiniti/7 Jeep/2-5 Kia/5-7 Lexus/5-8 Lincoln/4-5 Mazda/3-5 Mercedes/7 Mitsubishi/2-3 Nissan/2-7 Ram/4-9 Subaru/5-7 Toyota/4-9 VW/4-5 Volvo/6 And that’s if you pay the full sticker price! Who does that The guy who thinks Taco Bell is a Mexican phone company Add the fact that dealerships have an overhead expense of 12 to 15 of revenue and you’d have to be brain dead to believe the invoice price is in the same area code as any cost number The auto industry is having a good laugh at how gullible we are It’s even flipping us off now with pricing for the Chrysler Pacific Hybrid minivan: Invoice 44895 Retail 44995! Yet all the info and advice on those big auto-info websites is based on our swallowing – hook line and sinker – the preposterous notion that for decades automakers have been telling everyone what their dealers pay for their cars If that were true dealers would go ballistic But they don’t and they never did even before the Internet arrived Your responsibility as a person is to constantly update your positions on as many things as possible If you don’t contradict yourself regularly you’re not thinking – Malcolm Gladwell The inside story of the discovery of that game-changing fact is told in our book Letting The Cat Out Of The Bag: How The Auto Industry ‘Redesigned’ The Dealer invoice Price When The Internet Arrived available in paperback and Kindle format at Amazon To read the back cover copy Preface Table of Contents and the first four chapters click here If you’d like a author-signed copy 1495 including postage you can add that to your order for the Fighting Chance information package Here’s Bragg’s Take On Those Consumer Auto Pricing Sites Those sites are: a pitching the range of what other clueless shoppers have paid as the holy grail of transaction prices b using rebates which everyone gets and a comparison of their prices to the full sticker price which almost no one pays to inflate their claims of savings from using their services and c sending you on a ‘milk run’ to a small number of dealers in their networks who relish the thought of selling you a car at those prices and reward those conduit sites handsomely with the advertising and/or finder’s fees of 300 to 500 that comes out of your pocket Question: When you’re thinking about getting a new car are you sitting there saying Gee I hope I get a price that’s close to what everyone else is paying We don’t get to choose what is trueWe only get to choose what we do about it – Kami Garcia These Are The Facts About How Most Dealer Incentive Programs Work Today It’s 2018 not 1994 and that world isn’t flat anymore it’s round 90 of the bucks spent on dealer cash are in multi-month programs based on total sales targets and subjective issues like customers’ ratings of their selling dealerships NOT on sales of specific vehicles The rewards can be five to six-figure bonuses Some are stair-step promotions in which per-vehicle bonuses increase as dealers reach higher volume thresholds And no one can tell you any dealership’s target or performance level or when these programs start and end So reaching interim monthly goals along the way is crucially important There’s a lot of seasonality in the business and dealers can’t go into the last month 15 behind where they should have been based on that seasonal pattern That keeps steady sales pressure on month after month Dealers trailing their monthly targets near month-end will sell for much less and that’s likely to be different dealers each month WHAT’S IN THE FIGHTING CHANCE PACKAGE You’ll have the only independent unbiased source of truthful information and powerful negotiating advice on the Internet We’ve been focused single-mindedly on this subject since before the Dead Sea got sick and much of our knowledge has come from our customers’ feedback You’ll have us as your coaches as you go through the process Got a question Call us Want to run the numbers before you sign a lease Call us There’s no such thing as a silly question here In the package’s centerpiece How The PhoneEmail Attack Can Get You The Best Deal Saving You Time Money and Aggravation you’ll learn exactly what to do and say each step of the way as you conduct a competitive bidding process from your home or office Ideally you’ll enlist 9 or 10 dealers that you choose to make price proposals and you’ll go with the winner We also tell you the best day of each month to start the process You’ll receive our signature Big Picture analysis of how the brands and the specific vehicles you’re interested in have been doing in the market Are your model’s sales up or down Does the average dealer sell 2 per month or 22 This piece also reveals the current holdback information for brands that use it several don’t You’ll get the complete current sticker/MSRP and dealer invoice pricing data for the vehicles you’re considering covering all the trim levels and equipment packages Here’s a current list of model pricing available You’ll also get these insightful fact-based articles by Mr Bragg most of them information no other auto-info site will tell you Focus only on those relevant to your purchase or lease How We Abandoned Our Inborn Common Sense About New-Car Pricing How The Industry Has Turned The Invoice Price Into A Bloated ImposterBy Continually Raising It By More Than The MSRP For Over Two Decades How New-Car Dealers Make The Big Bucks And How They Don’t Today Incentives Often Differ From Market To Market Here’s How To Check The Offers Where You Are The Two Big ‘Fake News’ Come-ons To Ignore The Myth Of Vehicle-Specific Dealer Cash Incentives The Crucial Financial Importance Of A Dealership’s Customer Satisfaction Rating Important Note On The Pricing Of Dealer-Installed Accessories Can You Get The Vehicle Configuration You Want Things To Consider About Placing A Factory Order Have You Chosen A Crashworthy Vehicle Thoughts On Buying A Demo Or Last Year’s Leftover Model Should You Buy An Extended Warranty Dealing With A Trade-In If you tell us you have one Leasing 101: The Straight Skinny If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Here’s The Information We Need To Analyze Your ‘Best-Offer’ Lease Numbers With You If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Our unique package includes all the information you need to negotiate the best price on for any one vehicle You may place an order here on a secure encrypted order form at any time Special Message To Previous Customers The Fighting Chance package is always changing to reflect new knowledge and the best ways to deal with the changing realities in the retail car business Sometimes the changes are dramatic For example the method for getting competitive bids differs substantially from the arms-length/one-step fax or email attack process we recommended several years ago At other times the changes are small but represent worthwhile improvements The suggested wording in the note you’ll send dealers is fine-tuned often The package you’d receive today will typically include several insightful changes compared to the one you ordered years ago The Cost Of This Unique Package 4495 Includes all the information you need for any one vehicle Additional vehicles: 1500 each More than half of our customers add one or more additional vehicles as fall-back alternatives This could become a small but wise 1500 decision if you find it difficult to deal on your first choice Considering the substantial cost of the new vehicle you’re about to buy or lease isn’t this a relatively small price to pay for the comprehensive Fighting Chance information package Important Note: This is a service for NEW VEHICLES ONLY We have no information on used vehicles Also we have NO CANADIAN PRICING DATA Copyright © 2017 Fighting Chance Home 2
NEW-CAR SALES HAVE HIT A WALL AND THAT PUTS YOU IN THE DRIVER’S SEAT The pent-up demand from the recession has been satisfied 2015 was the last growth year with sales up 57 A 3 gain was forecast in 2016 but result was 03 Sales slipped 18 last year to 172 million about 300000 units behind 2016 Overall sales could drop below 17 million this year for the first time in three years January-August sales inched up just 11 but that tiny gain was based mainly on increased fleet sales to rental car companies and businesses not retail sales And over the last 5 years September sales have averaged 15 lower than August’s As a result the market is more competitive than ever with automakers spending more on incentives to move the metal In a word you’ve got more deal-making leverage than you’ve had in years Why am I the only one telling you these facts Because if the big new-car info and buying services did they’d jeopardize their entire revenue stream which comes from dealers and automakers not you For 25 years I’ve been on a mission to unearth and expose the long-hidden truths that Consumer Reports TrueCar Edmunds Carscom Kelley Blue Book and the auto industry don’t want you to know Those facts demolish all their conventional wisdom about how to buy a car and they transfer the negotiating leverage from the dealers to you Isn’t it time you stopped looking at the way to buy a new car through their rear-view mirrors PS Will you visit me when I enter the witness protection program JAMES BRAGG HOW TO ORDER THE PACKAGE AND WHEN AND HOW YOU’LL GET IT To place an order on our secure encrypted order form click on the Ordering link in the upper left column If you’d prefer to place a phone order or if you have questions that aren’t answered on our web site you may call our order desk at 1-562-433-8489 between 9:15AM and 4:00PM Pacific time Monday through Friday To see the vehicles for which we have pricing info click on the Auto Pricing link in that column Normal Delivery Timing: 99 of our customers request email delivery This is a tiny information boutique We usually send email orders by the next business day — with one exception this fall My assistant who sends the orders is a college grad school student who’s in class all day Tuesday this semester SO LATE MONDAY ORDERS AND ALL TUESDAY’S WILL USUALLY BE EMAILED TO CUSTOMERS ON WEDNESDAY We’ll be here 562-433-8489 to answer your questions and analyze your best lease offer weekdays between 9:15 AM and 4:00 PM Pacific time For a sneak peek at what you’ll get for 4495 scroll down to What’s In The Fighting Chance Package The Dealer Invoice Price Has Become a Bloated Imposter That Has Had Nothing To Do With Any New Car’s Real Cost For Twenty Three Years! And The Industry Moves It Further From Any Cost As noted above Bragg proved it to senior execs of Consumer Reports Kelley Blue Book Edmunds Carscom and TrueCar in a 11/27/12 USA TODAY Automotive Roundtable discussion of whether online car shopping and information services are believable and are relevant in today’s market To see it click here You could have heard a pin drop Incredibly no one was aware of a game-changing fact that had been in front of their noses for 17 years! It’s their worst nightmare because it exposes their pay what others paid as terrible advice Bragg asked the Consumer Reports person Who’s been running your New Car Price Service for the past 20 years Rip Van Winkle He was not amused To read much of the USA TODAY Don’t Trust That Invoice Price write-up on that meeting in which Bragg was dubbed a peppery contrarian click here To understand how laughable new-car pricing is today check out the tiny percentage differences between the base invoice and retail/sticker prices for each brand: Acura/5-7 Audi/7 BMW/6 Buick/4-5 Cadillac/5 Chevy/5-7 Dodge/3-4 Ford/1-7 Genesis/5-7 GMC/5-7 Honda/3-9 Hyundai/3-7 Infiniti/7 Jeep/2-5 Kia/5-7 Lexus/5-8 Lincoln/4-5 Mazda/3-5 Mercedes/7 Mitsubishi/2-3 Nissan/2-7 Ram/4-9 Subaru/5-7 Toyota/4-9 VW/4-5 Volvo/6 And that’s if you pay the full sticker price! Who does that The guy who thinks Taco Bell is a Mexican phone company Add the fact that dealerships have an overhead expense of 12 to 15 of revenue and you’d have to be brain dead to believe the invoice price is in the same area code as any cost number The auto industry is having a good laugh at how gullible we are It’s even flipping us off now with pricing for the Chrysler Pacific Hybrid minivan: Invoice 44895 Retail 44995! Yet all the info and advice on those big auto-info websites is based on our swallowing – hook line and sinker – the preposterous notion that for decades automakers have been telling everyone what their dealers pay for their cars If that were true dealers would go ballistic But they don’t and they never did even before the Internet arrived Your responsibility as a person is to constantly update your positions on as many things as possible If you don’t contradict yourself regularly you’re not thinking – Malcolm Gladwell The inside story of the discovery of that game-changing fact is told in our book Letting The Cat Out Of The Bag: How The Auto Industry ‘Redesigned’ The Dealer invoice Price When The Internet Arrived available in paperback and Kindle format at Amazon To read the back cover copy Preface Table of Contents and the first four chapters click here If you’d like a author-signed copy 1495 including postage you can add that to your order for the Fighting Chance information package Here’s Bragg’s Take On Those Consumer Auto Pricing Sites Those sites are: a pitching the range of what other clueless shoppers have paid as the holy grail of transaction prices b using rebates which everyone gets and a comparison of their prices to the full sticker price which almost no one pays to inflate their claims of savings from using their services and c sending you on a ‘milk run’ to a small number of dealers in their networks who relish the thought of selling you a car at those prices and reward those conduit sites handsomely with the advertising and/or finder’s fees of 300 to 500 that comes out of your pocket Question: When you’re thinking about getting a new car are you sitting there saying Gee I hope I get a price that’s close to what everyone else is paying We don’t get to choose what is trueWe only get to choose what we do about it – Kami Garcia These Are The Facts About How Most Dealer Incentive Programs Work Today It’s 2018 not 1994 and that world isn’t flat anymore it’s round 90 of the bucks spent on dealer cash are in multi-month programs based on total sales targets and subjective issues like customers’ ratings of their selling dealerships NOT on sales of specific vehicles The rewards can be five to six-figure bonuses Some are stair-step promotions in which per-vehicle bonuses increase as dealers reach higher volume thresholds And no one can tell you any dealership’s target or performance level or when these programs start and end So reaching interim monthly goals along the way is crucially important There’s a lot of seasonality in the business and dealers can’t go into the last month 15 behind where they should have been based on that seasonal pattern That keeps steady sales pressure on month after month Dealers trailing their monthly targets near month-end will sell for much less and that’s likely to be different dealers each month WHAT’S IN THE FIGHTING CHANCE PACKAGE You’ll have the only independent unbiased source of truthful information and powerful negotiating advice on the Internet We’ve been focused single-mindedly on this subject since before the Dead Sea got sick and much of our knowledge has come from our customers’ feedback You’ll have us as your coaches as you go through the process Got a question Call us Want to run the numbers before you sign a lease Call us There’s no such thing as a silly question here In the package’s centerpiece How The PhoneEmail Attack Can Get You The Best Deal Saving You Time Money and Aggravation you’ll learn exactly what to do and say each step of the way as you conduct a competitive bidding process from your home or office Ideally you’ll enlist 9 or 10 dealers that you choose to make price proposals and you’ll go with the winner We also tell you the best day of each month to start the process You’ll receive our signature Big Picture analysis of how the brands and the specific vehicles you’re interested in have been doing in the market Are your model’s sales up or down Does the average dealer sell 2 per month or 22 This piece also reveals the current holdback information for brands that use it several don’t You’ll get the complete current sticker/MSRP and dealer invoice pricing data for the vehicles you’re considering covering all the trim levels and equipment packages Here’s a current list of model pricing available You’ll also get these insightful fact-based articles by Mr Bragg most of them information no other auto-info site will tell you Focus only on those relevant to your purchase or lease How We Abandoned Our Inborn Common Sense About New-Car Pricing How The Industry Has Turned The Invoice Price Into A Bloated ImposterBy Continually Raising It By More Than The MSRP For Over Two Decades How New-Car Dealers Make The Big Bucks And How They Don’t Today Incentives Often Differ From Market To Market Here’s How To Check The Offers Where You Are The Two Big ‘Fake News’ Come-ons To Ignore The Myth Of Vehicle-Specific Dealer Cash Incentives The Crucial Financial Importance Of A Dealership’s Customer Satisfaction Rating Important Note On The Pricing Of Dealer-Installed Accessories Can You Get The Vehicle Configuration You Want Things To Consider About Placing A Factory Order Have You Chosen A Crashworthy Vehicle Thoughts On Buying A Demo Or Last Year’s Leftover Model Should You Buy An Extended Warranty Dealing With A Trade-In If you tell us you have one Leasing 101: The Straight Skinny If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Here’s The Information We Need To Analyze Your ‘Best-Offer’ Lease Numbers With You If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Our unique package includes all the information you need to negotiate the best price on for any one vehicle You may place an order here on a secure encrypted order form at any time Special Message To Previous Customers The Fighting Chance package is always changing to reflect new knowledge and the best ways to deal with the changing realities in the retail car business Sometimes the changes are dramatic For example the method for getting competitive bids differs substantially from the arms-length/one-step fax or email attack process we recommended several years ago At other times the changes are small but represent worthwhile improvements The suggested wording in the note you’ll send dealers is fine-tuned often The package you’d receive today will typically include several insightful changes compared to the one you ordered years ago The Cost Of This Unique Package 4495 Includes all the information you need for any one vehicle Additional vehicles: 1500 each More than half of our customers add one or more additional vehicles as fall-back alternatives This could become a small but wise 1500 decision if you find it difficult to deal on your first choice Considering the substantial cost of the new vehicle you’re about to buy or lease isn’t this a relatively small price to pay for the comprehensive Fighting Chance information package Important Note: This is a service 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Embarrassed by its two-decade failure to recognize that obvious fact Consumer Reports dumped its legendary ‘cash cow’ New Car Price Service – the one they claimed would tell you the dealer’s true cost which hasn’t been true for 23 years Can there be any stronger evidence that the way to get the best price has changed forever It is almost impossible to carry the torch of truth through a crowd without singeing somebody’s beard – George Christoph Lichtenberg NEW-CAR SALES HAVE HIT A WALL AND THAT PUTS YOU IN THE DRIVER’S SEAT The pent-up demand from the recession has been satisfied 2015 was the last growth year with sales up 57 A 3 gain was forecast in 2016 but result was 03 Sales slipped 18 last year to 172 million about 300000 units behind 2016 Overall sales could drop below 17 million this year for the first time in three years January-August sales inched up just 11 but that tiny gain was based mainly on increased fleet sales to rental car companies and businesses not retail sales And over the last 5 years September sales have averaged 15 lower than August’s As a result the market is more competitive than ever with automakers spending more on incentives to move the metal In a word you’ve got more deal-making leverage than you’ve had in years Why am I the only one telling you these facts Because if the big new-car info and buying services did they’d jeopardize their entire revenue stream which comes from dealers and automakers not you For 25 years I’ve been on a mission to unearth and expose the long-hidden truths that Consumer Reports TrueCar Edmunds Carscom Kelley Blue Book and the auto industry don’t want you to know Those facts demolish all their conventional wisdom about how to buy a car and they transfer the negotiating leverage from the dealers to you Isn’t it time you stopped looking at the way to buy a new car through their rear-view mirrors PS Will you visit me when I enter the witness protection program JAMES BRAGG HOW TO ORDER THE PACKAGE AND WHEN AND HOW YOU’LL GET IT To place an order on our secure encrypted order form click on the Ordering link in the upper left column If you’d prefer to place a phone order or if you have questions that aren’t answered on our web site you may call our order desk at 1-562-433-8489 between 9:15AM and 4:00PM Pacific time Monday through Friday To see the vehicles for which we have pricing info click on the Auto Pricing link in that column Normal Delivery Timing: 99 of our customers request email delivery This is a tiny information boutique We usually send email orders by the next business day — with one exception this fall My assistant who sends the orders is a college grad school student who’s in class all day Tuesday this semester SO LATE MONDAY ORDERS AND ALL TUESDAY’S WILL USUALLY BE EMAILED TO CUSTOMERS ON WEDNESDAY We’ll be here 562-433-8489 to answer your questions and analyze your best lease offer weekdays between 9:15 AM and 4:00 PM Pacific time For a sneak peek at what you’ll get for 4495 scroll down to What’s In The Fighting Chance Package The Dealer Invoice Price Has Become a Bloated Imposter That Has Had Nothing To Do With Any New Car’s Real Cost For Twenty Three Years! And The Industry Moves It Further From Any Cost As noted above Bragg proved it to senior execs of Consumer Reports Kelley Blue Book Edmunds Carscom and TrueCar in a 11/27/12 USA TODAY Automotive Roundtable discussion of whether online car shopping and information services are believable and are relevant in today’s market To see it click here You could have heard a pin drop Incredibly no one was aware of a game-changing fact that had been in front of their noses for 17 years! It’s their worst nightmare because it exposes their pay what others paid as terrible advice Bragg asked the Consumer Reports person Who’s been running your New Car Price Service for the past 20 years Rip Van Winkle He was not amused To read much of the USA TODAY Don’t Trust That Invoice Price write-up on that meeting in which Bragg was dubbed a peppery contrarian click here To understand how laughable new-car pricing is today check out the tiny percentage differences between the base invoice and retail/sticker prices for each brand: Acura/5-7 Audi/7 BMW/6 Buick/4-5 Cadillac/5 Chevy/5-7 Dodge/3-4 Ford/1-7 Genesis/5-7 GMC/5-7 Honda/3-9 Hyundai/3-7 Infiniti/7 Jeep/2-5 Kia/5-7 Lexus/5-8 Lincoln/4-5 Mazda/3-5 Mercedes/7 Mitsubishi/2-3 Nissan/2-7 Ram/4-9 Subaru/5-7 Toyota/4-9 VW/4-5 Volvo/6 And that’s if you pay the full sticker price! Who does that The guy who thinks Taco Bell is a Mexican phone company Add the fact that dealerships have an overhead expense of 12 to 15 of revenue and you’d have to be brain dead to believe the invoice price is in the same area code as any cost number The auto industry is having a good laugh at how gullible we are It’s even flipping us off now with pricing for the Chrysler Pacific Hybrid minivan: Invoice 44895 Retail 44995! Yet all the info and advice on those big auto-info websites is based on our swallowing – hook line and sinker – the preposterous notion that for decades automakers have been telling everyone what their dealers pay for their cars If that were true dealers would go ballistic But they don’t and they never did even before the Internet arrived Your responsibility as a person is to constantly update your positions on as many things as possible If you don’t contradict yourself regularly you’re not thinking – Malcolm Gladwell The inside story of the discovery of that game-changing fact is told in our book Letting The Cat Out Of The Bag: How The Auto Industry ‘Redesigned’ The Dealer invoice Price When The Internet Arrived available in paperback and Kindle format at Amazon To read the back cover copy Preface Table of Contents and the first four chapters click here If you’d like a author-signed copy 1495 including postage you can add that to your order for the Fighting Chance information package Here’s Bragg’s Take On Those Consumer Auto Pricing Sites Those sites are: a pitching the range of what other clueless shoppers have paid as the holy grail of transaction prices b using rebates which everyone gets and a comparison of their prices to the full sticker price which almost no one pays to inflate their claims of savings from using their services and c sending you on a ‘milk run’ to a small number of dealers in their networks who relish the thought of selling you a car at those prices and reward those conduit sites handsomely with the advertising and/or finder’s fees of 300 to 500 that comes out of your pocket Question: When you’re thinking about getting a new car are you sitting there saying Gee I hope I get a price that’s close to what everyone else is paying We don’t get to choose what is trueWe only get to choose what we do about it – Kami Garcia These Are The Facts About How Most Dealer Incentive Programs Work Today It’s 2018 not 1994 and that world isn’t flat anymore it’s round 90 of the bucks spent on dealer cash are in multi-month programs based on total sales targets and subjective issues like customers’ ratings of their selling dealerships NOT on sales of specific vehicles The rewards can be five to six-figure bonuses Some are stair-step promotions in which per-vehicle bonuses increase as dealers reach higher volume thresholds And no one can tell you any dealership’s target or performance level or when these programs start and end So reaching interim monthly goals along the way is crucially important There’s a lot of seasonality in the business and dealers can’t go into the last month 15 behind where they should have been based on that seasonal pattern That keeps steady sales pressure on month after month Dealers trailing their monthly targets near month-end will sell for much less and that’s likely to be different dealers each month WHAT’S IN THE FIGHTING CHANCE PACKAGE You’ll have the only independent unbiased source of truthful information and powerful negotiating advice on the Internet We’ve been focused single-mindedly on this subject since before the Dead Sea got sick and much of our knowledge has come from our customers’ feedback You’ll have us as your coaches as you go through the process Got a question Call us Want to run the numbers before you sign a lease Call us There’s no such thing as a silly question here In the package’s centerpiece How The PhoneEmail Attack Can Get You The Best Deal Saving You Time Money and Aggravation you’ll learn exactly what to do and say each step of the way as you conduct a competitive bidding process from your home or office Ideally you’ll enlist 9 or 10 dealers that you choose to make price proposals and you’ll go with the winner We also tell you the best day of each month to start the process You’ll receive our signature Big Picture analysis of how the brands and the specific vehicles you’re interested in have been doing in the market Are your model’s sales up or down Does the average dealer sell 2 per month or 22 This piece also reveals the current holdback information for brands that use it several don’t You’ll get the complete current sticker/MSRP and dealer invoice pricing data for the vehicles you’re considering covering all the trim levels and equipment packages Here’s a current list of model pricing available You’ll also get these insightful fact-based articles by Mr Bragg most of them information no other auto-info site will tell you Focus only on those relevant to your purchase or lease How We Abandoned Our Inborn Common Sense About New-Car Pricing How The Industry Has Turned The Invoice Price Into A Bloated ImposterBy Continually Raising It By More Than The MSRP For Over Two Decades How New-Car Dealers Make The Big Bucks And How They Don’t Today Incentives Often Differ From Market To Market Here’s How To Check The Offers Where You Are The Two Big ‘Fake News’ Come-ons To Ignore The Myth Of Vehicle-Specific Dealer Cash Incentives The Crucial Financial Importance Of A Dealership’s Customer Satisfaction Rating Important Note On The Pricing Of Dealer-Installed Accessories Can You Get The Vehicle Configuration You Want Things To Consider About Placing A Factory Order Have You Chosen A Crashworthy Vehicle Thoughts On Buying A Demo Or Last Year’s Leftover Model Should You Buy An Extended Warranty Dealing With A Trade-In If you tell us you have one Leasing 101: The Straight Skinny If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Here’s The Information We Need To Analyze Your ‘Best-Offer’ Lease Numbers With You If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Our unique package includes all the information you need to negotiate the best price on for any one vehicle You may place an order here on a secure encrypted order form at any time Special Message To Previous Customers The Fighting Chance package is always changing to reflect new knowledge and the best ways to deal with the changing realities in the retail car business Sometimes the changes are dramatic For example the method for getting competitive bids differs substantially from the arms-length/one-step fax or email attack process we recommended several years ago At other times the changes are small but represent worthwhile improvements The suggested wording in the note you’ll send dealers is fine-tuned often The package you’d receive today will typically include several insightful changes compared to the one you ordered years ago The Cost Of This Unique Package 4495 Includes all the information you need for any one vehicle Additional vehicles: 1500 each More than half of our customers add one or more additional vehicles as fall-back alternatives This could become a small but wise 1500 decision if you find it difficult to deal on your first choice Considering the substantial cost of the new vehicle you’re about to buy or lease isn’t this a relatively small price to pay for the comprehensive Fighting Chance information package Important Note: This is a service for NEW VEHICLES ONLY We have no information on used vehicles Also we have NO CANADIAN PRICING DATA Copyright © 2017 Fighting Chance Home 2
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PS Will you visit me when I enter the witness protection program JAMES BRAGG HOW TO ORDER THE PACKAGE AND WHEN AND HOW YOU’LL GET IT To place an order on our secure encrypted order form click on the Ordering link in the upper left column If you’d prefer to place a phone order or if you have questions that aren’t answered on our web site you may call our order desk at 1-562-433-8489 between 9:15AM and 4:00PM Pacific time Monday through Friday To see the vehicles for which we have pricing info click on the Auto Pricing link in that column Normal Delivery Timing: 99 of our customers request email delivery This is a tiny information boutique We usually send email orders by the next business day — with one exception this fall My assistant who sends the orders is a college grad school student who’s in class all day Tuesday this semester SO LATE MONDAY ORDERS AND ALL TUESDAY’S WILL USUALLY BE EMAILED TO CUSTOMERS ON WEDNESDAY We’ll be here 562-433-8489 to answer your questions and analyze your best lease offer weekdays between 9:15 AM and 4:00 PM Pacific time For a sneak peek at what you’ll get for 4495 scroll down to What’s In The Fighting Chance Package The Dealer Invoice Price Has Become a Bloated Imposter That Has Had Nothing To Do With Any New Car’s Real Cost For Twenty Three Years! And The Industry Moves It Further From Any Cost As noted above Bragg proved it to senior execs of Consumer Reports Kelley Blue Book Edmunds Carscom and TrueCar in a 11/27/12 USA TODAY Automotive Roundtable discussion of whether online car shopping and information services are believable and are relevant in today’s market To see it click here You could have heard a pin drop Incredibly no one was aware of a game-changing fact that had been in front of their noses for 17 years! It’s their worst nightmare because it exposes their pay what others paid as terrible advice Bragg asked the Consumer Reports person Who’s been running your New Car Price Service for the past 20 years Rip Van Winkle He was not amused To read much of the USA TODAY Don’t Trust That Invoice Price write-up on that meeting in which Bragg was dubbed a peppery contrarian click here To understand how laughable new-car pricing is today check out the tiny percentage differences between the base invoice and retail/sticker prices for each brand: Acura/5-7 Audi/7 BMW/6 Buick/4-5 Cadillac/5 Chevy/5-7 Dodge/3-4 Ford/1-7 Genesis/5-7 GMC/5-7 Honda/3-9 Hyundai/3-7 Infiniti/7 Jeep/2-5 Kia/5-7 Lexus/5-8 Lincoln/4-5 Mazda/3-5 Mercedes/7 Mitsubishi/2-3 Nissan/2-7 Ram/4-9 Subaru/5-7 Toyota/4-9 VW/4-5 Volvo/6 And that’s if you pay the full sticker price! Who does that The guy who thinks Taco Bell is a Mexican phone company Add the fact that dealerships have an overhead expense of 12 to 15 of revenue and you’d have to be brain dead to believe the invoice price is in the same area code as any cost number The auto industry is having a good laugh at how gullible we are It’s even flipping us off now with pricing for the Chrysler Pacific Hybrid minivan: Invoice 44895 Retail 44995! Yet all the info and advice on those big auto-info websites is based on our swallowing – hook line and sinker – the preposterous notion that for decades automakers have been telling everyone what their dealers pay for their cars If that were true dealers would go ballistic But they don’t and they never did even before the Internet arrived Your responsibility as a person is to constantly update your positions on as many things as possible If you don’t contradict yourself regularly you’re not thinking – Malcolm Gladwell The inside story of the discovery of that game-changing fact is told in our book Letting The Cat Out Of The Bag: How The Auto Industry ‘Redesigned’ The Dealer invoice Price When The Internet Arrived available in paperback and Kindle format at Amazon To read the back cover copy Preface Table of Contents and the first four chapters click here If you’d like a author-signed copy 1495 including postage you can add that to your order for the Fighting Chance information package Here’s Bragg’s Take On Those Consumer Auto Pricing Sites Those sites are: a pitching the range of what other clueless shoppers have paid as the holy grail of transaction prices b using rebates which everyone gets and a comparison of their prices to the full sticker price which almost no one pays to inflate their claims of savings from using their services and c sending you on a ‘milk run’ to a small number of dealers in their networks who relish the thought of selling you a car at those prices and reward those conduit sites handsomely with the advertising and/or finder’s fees of 300 to 500 that comes out of your pocket Question: When you’re thinking about getting a new car are you sitting there saying Gee I hope I get a price that’s close to what everyone else is paying We don’t get to choose what is trueWe only get to choose what we do about it – Kami Garcia These Are The Facts About How Most Dealer Incentive Programs Work Today It’s 2018 not 1994 and that world isn’t flat anymore it’s round 90 of the bucks spent on dealer cash are in multi-month programs based on total sales targets and subjective issues like customers’ ratings of their selling dealerships NOT on sales of specific vehicles The rewards can be five to six-figure bonuses Some are stair-step promotions in which per-vehicle bonuses increase as dealers reach higher volume thresholds And no one can tell you any dealership’s target or performance level or when these programs start and end So reaching interim monthly goals along the way is crucially important There’s a lot of seasonality in the business and dealers can’t go into the last month 15 behind where they should have been based on that seasonal pattern That keeps steady sales pressure on month after month Dealers trailing their monthly targets near month-end will sell for much less and that’s likely to be different dealers each month WHAT’S IN THE FIGHTING CHANCE PACKAGE You’ll have the only independent unbiased source of truthful information and powerful negotiating advice on the Internet We’ve been focused single-mindedly on this subject since before the Dead Sea got sick and much of our knowledge has come from our customers’ feedback You’ll have us as your coaches as you go through the process Got a question Call us Want to run the numbers before you sign a lease Call us There’s no such thing as a silly question here In the package’s centerpiece How The PhoneEmail Attack Can Get You The Best Deal Saving You Time Money and Aggravation you’ll learn exactly what to do and say each step of the way as you conduct a competitive bidding process from your home or office Ideally you’ll enlist 9 or 10 dealers that you choose to make price proposals and you’ll go with the winner We also tell you the best day of each month to start the process You’ll receive our signature Big Picture analysis of how the brands and the specific vehicles you’re interested in have been doing in the market Are your model’s sales up or down Does the average dealer sell 2 per month or 22 This piece also reveals the current holdback information for brands that use it several don’t You’ll get the complete current sticker/MSRP and dealer invoice pricing data for the vehicles you’re considering covering all the trim levels and equipment packages Here’s a current list of model pricing available You’ll also get these insightful fact-based articles by Mr Bragg most of them information no other auto-info site will tell you Focus only on those relevant to your purchase or lease How We Abandoned Our Inborn Common Sense About New-Car Pricing How The Industry Has Turned The Invoice Price Into A Bloated ImposterBy Continually Raising It By More Than The MSRP For Over Two Decades How New-Car Dealers Make The Big Bucks And How They Don’t Today Incentives Often Differ From Market To Market Here’s How To Check The Offers Where You Are The Two Big ‘Fake News’ Come-ons To Ignore The Myth Of Vehicle-Specific Dealer Cash Incentives The Crucial Financial Importance Of A Dealership’s Customer Satisfaction Rating Important Note On The Pricing Of Dealer-Installed Accessories Can You Get The Vehicle Configuration You Want Things To Consider About Placing A Factory Order Have You Chosen A Crashworthy Vehicle Thoughts On Buying A Demo Or Last Year’s Leftover Model Should You Buy An Extended Warranty Dealing With A Trade-In If you tell us you have one Leasing 101: The Straight Skinny If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Here’s The Information We Need To Analyze Your ‘Best-Offer’ Lease Numbers With You If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Our unique package includes all the information you need to negotiate the best price on for any one vehicle You may place an order here on a secure encrypted order form at any time Special Message To Previous Customers The Fighting Chance package is always changing to reflect new knowledge and the best ways to deal with the changing realities in the retail car business Sometimes the changes are dramatic For example the method for getting competitive bids differs substantially from the arms-length/one-step fax or email attack process we recommended several years ago At other times the changes are small but represent worthwhile improvements The suggested wording in the note you’ll send dealers is fine-tuned often The package you’d receive today will typically include several insightful changes compared to the one you ordered years ago The Cost Of This Unique Package 4495 Includes all the information you need for any one vehicle Additional vehicles: 1500 each More than half of our customers add one or more additional vehicles as fall-back alternatives This could become a small but wise 1500 decision if you find it difficult to deal on your first choice Considering the substantial cost of the new vehicle you’re about to buy or lease isn’t this a relatively small price to pay for the comprehensive Fighting Chance information package Important Note: This is a service 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Why am I the only one telling you these facts Because if the big new-car info and buying services did they’d jeopardize their entire revenue stream which comes from dealers and automakers not you For 25 years I’ve been on a mission to unearth and expose the long-hidden truths that Consumer Reports TrueCar Edmunds Carscom Kelley Blue Book and the auto industry don’t want you to know Those facts demolish all their conventional wisdom about how to buy a car and they transfer the negotiating leverage from the dealers to you Isn’t it time you stopped looking at the way to buy a new car through their rear-view mirrors PS Will you visit me when I enter the witness protection program JAMES BRAGG HOW TO ORDER THE PACKAGE AND WHEN AND HOW YOU’LL GET IT To place an order on our secure encrypted order form click on the Ordering link in the upper left column If you’d prefer to place a phone order or if you have questions that aren’t answered on our web site you may call our order desk at 1-562-433-8489 between 9:15AM and 4:00PM Pacific time Monday through Friday To see the vehicles for which we have pricing info click on the Auto Pricing link in that column Normal Delivery Timing: 99 of our customers request email delivery This is a tiny information boutique We usually send email orders by the next business day — with one exception this fall My assistant who sends the orders is a college grad school student who’s in class all day Tuesday this semester SO LATE MONDAY ORDERS AND ALL TUESDAY’S WILL USUALLY BE EMAILED TO CUSTOMERS ON WEDNESDAY We’ll be here 562-433-8489 to answer your questions and analyze your best lease offer weekdays between 9:15 AM and 4:00 PM Pacific time For a sneak peek at what you’ll get for 4495 scroll down to What’s In The Fighting Chance Package The Dealer Invoice Price Has Become a Bloated Imposter That Has Had Nothing To Do With Any New Car’s Real Cost For Twenty Three Years! And The Industry Moves It Further From Any Cost As noted above Bragg proved it to senior execs of Consumer Reports Kelley Blue Book Edmunds Carscom and TrueCar in a 11/27/12 USA TODAY Automotive Roundtable discussion of whether online car shopping and information services are believable and are relevant in today’s market To see it click here You could have heard a pin drop Incredibly no one was aware of a game-changing fact that had been in front of their noses for 17 years! It’s their worst nightmare because it exposes their pay what others paid as terrible advice Bragg asked the Consumer Reports person Who’s been running your New Car Price Service for the past 20 years Rip Van Winkle He was not amused To read much of the USA TODAY Don’t Trust That Invoice Price write-up on that meeting in which Bragg was dubbed a peppery contrarian click here To understand how laughable new-car pricing is today check out the tiny percentage differences between the base invoice and retail/sticker prices for each brand: Acura/5-7 Audi/7 BMW/6 Buick/4-5 Cadillac/5 Chevy/5-7 Dodge/3-4 Ford/1-7 Genesis/5-7 GMC/5-7 Honda/3-9 Hyundai/3-7 Infiniti/7 Jeep/2-5 Kia/5-7 Lexus/5-8 Lincoln/4-5 Mazda/3-5 Mercedes/7 Mitsubishi/2-3 Nissan/2-7 Ram/4-9 Subaru/5-7 Toyota/4-9 VW/4-5 Volvo/6 And that’s if you pay the full sticker price! Who does that The guy who thinks Taco Bell is a Mexican phone company Add the fact that dealerships have an overhead expense of 12 to 15 of revenue and you’d have to be brain dead to believe the invoice price is in the same area code as any cost number The auto industry is having a good laugh at how gullible we are It’s even flipping us off now with pricing for the Chrysler Pacific Hybrid minivan: Invoice 44895 Retail 44995! Yet all the info and advice on those big auto-info websites is based on our swallowing – hook line and sinker – the preposterous notion that for decades automakers have been telling everyone what their dealers pay for their cars If that were true dealers would go ballistic But they don’t and they never did even before the Internet arrived Your responsibility as a person is to constantly update your positions on as many things as possible If you don’t contradict yourself regularly you’re not thinking – Malcolm Gladwell The inside story of the discovery of that game-changing fact is told in our book Letting The Cat Out Of The Bag: How The Auto Industry ‘Redesigned’ The Dealer invoice Price When The Internet Arrived available in paperback and Kindle format at Amazon To read the back cover copy Preface Table of Contents and the first four chapters click here If you’d like a author-signed copy 1495 including postage you can add that to your order for the Fighting Chance information package Here’s Bragg’s Take On Those Consumer Auto Pricing Sites Those sites are: a pitching the range of what other clueless shoppers have paid as the holy grail of transaction prices b using rebates which everyone gets and a comparison of their prices to the full sticker price which almost no one pays to inflate their claims of savings from using their services and c sending you on a ‘milk run’ to a small number of dealers in their networks who relish the thought of selling you a car at those prices and reward those conduit sites handsomely with the advertising and/or finder’s fees of 300 to 500 that comes out of your pocket Question: When you’re thinking about getting a new car are you sitting there saying Gee I hope I get a price that’s close to what everyone else is paying We don’t get to choose what is trueWe only get to choose what we do about it – Kami Garcia These Are The Facts About How Most Dealer Incentive Programs Work Today It’s 2018 not 1994 and that world isn’t flat anymore it’s round 90 of the bucks spent on dealer cash are in multi-month programs based on total sales targets and subjective issues like customers’ ratings of their selling dealerships NOT on sales of specific vehicles The rewards can be five to six-figure bonuses Some are stair-step promotions in which per-vehicle bonuses increase as dealers reach higher volume thresholds And no one can tell you any dealership’s target or performance level or when these programs start and end So reaching interim monthly goals along the way is crucially important There’s a lot of seasonality in the business and dealers can’t go into the last month 15 behind where they should have been based on that seasonal pattern That keeps steady sales pressure on month after month Dealers trailing their monthly targets near month-end will sell for much less and that’s likely to be different dealers each month WHAT’S IN THE FIGHTING CHANCE PACKAGE You’ll have the only independent unbiased source of truthful information and powerful negotiating advice on the Internet We’ve been focused single-mindedly on this subject since before the Dead Sea got sick and much of our knowledge has come from our customers’ feedback You’ll have us as your coaches as you go through the process Got a question Call us Want to run the numbers before you sign a lease Call us There’s no such thing as a silly question here In the package’s centerpiece How The PhoneEmail Attack Can Get You The Best Deal Saving You Time Money and Aggravation you’ll learn exactly what to do and say each step of the way as you conduct a competitive bidding process from your home or office Ideally you’ll enlist 9 or 10 dealers that you choose to make price proposals and you’ll go with the winner We also tell you the best day of each month to start the process You’ll receive our signature Big Picture analysis of how the brands and the specific vehicles you’re interested in have been doing in the market Are your model’s sales up or down Does the average dealer sell 2 per month or 22 This piece also reveals the current holdback information for brands that use it several don’t You’ll get the complete current sticker/MSRP and dealer invoice pricing data for the vehicles you’re considering covering all the trim levels and equipment packages Here’s a current list of model pricing available You’ll also get these insightful fact-based articles by Mr Bragg most of them information no other auto-info site will tell you Focus only on those relevant to your purchase or lease How We Abandoned Our Inborn Common Sense About New-Car Pricing How The Industry Has Turned The Invoice Price Into A Bloated ImposterBy Continually Raising It By More Than The MSRP For Over Two Decades How New-Car Dealers Make The Big Bucks And How They Don’t Today Incentives Often Differ From Market To Market Here’s How To Check The Offers Where You Are The Two Big ‘Fake News’ Come-ons To Ignore The Myth Of Vehicle-Specific Dealer Cash Incentives The Crucial Financial Importance Of A Dealership’s Customer Satisfaction Rating Important Note On The Pricing Of Dealer-Installed Accessories Can You Get The Vehicle Configuration You Want Things To Consider About Placing A Factory Order Have You Chosen A Crashworthy Vehicle Thoughts On Buying A Demo Or Last Year’s Leftover Model Should You Buy An Extended Warranty Dealing With A Trade-In If you tell us you have one Leasing 101: The Straight Skinny If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Here’s The Information We Need To Analyze Your ‘Best-Offer’ Lease Numbers With You If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Our unique package includes all the information you need to negotiate the best price on for any one vehicle You may place an order here on a secure encrypted order form at any time Special Message To Previous Customers The Fighting Chance package is always changing to reflect new knowledge and the best ways to deal with the changing realities in the retail car business Sometimes the changes are dramatic For example the method for getting competitive bids differs substantially from the arms-length/one-step fax or email attack process we recommended several years ago At other times the changes are small but represent worthwhile improvements The suggested wording in the note you’ll send dealers is fine-tuned often The package you’d receive today will typically include several insightful changes compared to the one you ordered years ago The Cost Of This Unique Package 4495 Includes all the information you need for any one vehicle Additional vehicles: 1500 each More than half of our customers add one or more additional vehicles as fall-back alternatives This could become a small but wise 1500 decision if you find it difficult to deal on your first choice Considering the substantial cost of the new vehicle you’re about to buy or lease isn’t this a relatively small price to pay for the comprehensive Fighting Chance information package Important Note: This is a service for NEW VEHICLES ONLY We have no information on used vehicles Also we have NO CANADIAN PRICING DATA Copyright © 2017 Fighting Chance Home 2
Founder James Bragg a Yale and Harvard Business School graduate is a career-long change agent who has always challenged conventional wisdom With 25 years and over 65000 hours focused solely on this subject he’s the country’s most knowledgeable new-car buyers’ consumer advocate And unlike every old-boy club source of new-car info and advice including Consumer Reports he’s never taken a dime from dealers or automakers As a result he’s become the sole source of the long-hidden truth about the dealer invoice price dealer cash incentives and the only smart way to buy a new car in today’s market His Discovery That The Invoice Price Has Nothing To Do WithAny Dealer Cost Shocked Consumer Reports Into Killing ItsNew Car Price Service a major cash cow Since 1983! In November 2012 he proved to that organization and four other auto-info biggies that the dealer invoice price has had no relationship to any vehicle’s cost since 1994 invalidating the core assumption behind their target price advice The effectiveness of that ancient invoice-based negotiating approach is dead as a doornail Embarrassed by its two-decade failure to recognize that obvious fact Consumer Reports dumped its legendary ‘cash cow’ New Car Price Service – the one they claimed would tell you the dealer’s true cost which hasn’t been true for 23 years Can there be any stronger evidence that the way to get the best price has changed forever It is almost impossible to carry the torch of truth through a crowd without singeing somebody’s beard – George Christoph Lichtenberg NEW-CAR SALES HAVE HIT A WALL AND THAT PUTS YOU IN THE DRIVER’S SEAT The pent-up demand from the recession has been satisfied 2015 was the last growth year with sales up 57 A 3 gain was forecast in 2016 but result was 03 Sales slipped 18 last year to 172 million about 300000 units behind 2016 Overall sales could drop below 17 million this year for the first time in three years January-August sales inched up just 11 but that tiny gain was based mainly on increased fleet sales to rental car companies and businesses not retail sales And over the last 5 years September sales have averaged 15 lower than August’s As a result the market is more competitive than ever with automakers spending more on incentives to move the metal In a word you’ve got more deal-making leverage than you’ve had in years Why am I the only one telling you these facts Because if the big new-car info and buying services did they’d jeopardize their entire revenue stream which comes from dealers and automakers not you For 25 years I’ve been on a mission to unearth and expose the long-hidden truths that Consumer Reports TrueCar Edmunds Carscom Kelley Blue Book and the auto industry don’t want you to know Those facts demolish all their conventional wisdom about how to buy a car and they transfer the negotiating leverage from the dealers to you Isn’t it time you stopped looking at the way to buy a new car through their rear-view mirrors PS Will you visit me when I enter the witness protection program JAMES BRAGG HOW TO ORDER THE PACKAGE AND WHEN AND HOW YOU’LL GET IT To place an order on our secure encrypted order form click on the Ordering link in the upper left column If you’d prefer to place a phone order or if you have questions that aren’t answered on our web site you may call our order desk at 1-562-433-8489 between 9:15AM and 4:00PM Pacific time Monday through Friday To see the vehicles for which we have pricing info click on the Auto Pricing link in that column Normal Delivery Timing: 99 of our customers request email delivery This is a tiny information boutique We usually send email orders by the next business day — with one exception this fall My assistant who sends the orders is a college grad school student who’s in class all day Tuesday this semester SO LATE MONDAY ORDERS AND ALL TUESDAY’S WILL USUALLY BE EMAILED TO CUSTOMERS ON WEDNESDAY We’ll be here 562-433-8489 to answer your questions and analyze your best lease offer weekdays between 9:15 AM and 4:00 PM Pacific time For a sneak peek at what you’ll get for 4495 scroll down to What’s In The Fighting Chance Package The Dealer Invoice Price Has Become a Bloated Imposter That Has Had Nothing To Do With Any New Car’s Real Cost For Twenty Three Years! And The Industry Moves It Further From Any Cost As noted above Bragg proved it to senior execs of Consumer Reports Kelley Blue Book Edmunds Carscom and TrueCar in a 11/27/12 USA TODAY Automotive Roundtable discussion of whether online car shopping and information services are believable and are relevant in today’s market To see it click here You could have heard a pin drop Incredibly no one was aware of a game-changing fact that had been in front of their noses for 17 years! It’s their worst nightmare because it exposes their pay what others paid as terrible advice Bragg asked the Consumer Reports person Who’s been running your New Car Price Service for the past 20 years Rip Van Winkle He was not amused To read much of the USA TODAY Don’t Trust That Invoice Price write-up on that meeting in which Bragg was dubbed a peppery contrarian click here To understand how laughable new-car pricing is today check out the tiny percentage differences between the base invoice and retail/sticker prices for each brand: Acura/5-7 Audi/7 BMW/6 Buick/4-5 Cadillac/5 Chevy/5-7 Dodge/3-4 Ford/1-7 Genesis/5-7 GMC/5-7 Honda/3-9 Hyundai/3-7 Infiniti/7 Jeep/2-5 Kia/5-7 Lexus/5-8 Lincoln/4-5 Mazda/3-5 Mercedes/7 Mitsubishi/2-3 Nissan/2-7 Ram/4-9 Subaru/5-7 Toyota/4-9 VW/4-5 Volvo/6 And that’s if you pay the full sticker price! Who does that The guy who thinks Taco Bell is a Mexican phone company Add the fact that dealerships have an overhead expense of 12 to 15 of revenue and you’d have to be brain dead to believe the invoice price is in the same area code as any cost number The auto industry is having a good laugh at how gullible we are It’s even flipping us off now with pricing for the Chrysler Pacific Hybrid minivan: Invoice 44895 Retail 44995! Yet all the info and advice on those big auto-info websites is based on our swallowing – hook line and sinker – the preposterous notion that for decades automakers have been telling everyone what their dealers pay for their cars If that were true dealers would go ballistic But they don’t and they never did even before the Internet arrived Your responsibility as a person is to constantly update your positions on as many things as possible If you don’t contradict yourself regularly you’re not thinking – Malcolm Gladwell The inside story of the discovery of that game-changing fact is told in our book Letting The Cat Out Of The Bag: How The Auto Industry ‘Redesigned’ The Dealer invoice Price When The Internet Arrived available in paperback and Kindle format at Amazon To read the back cover copy Preface Table of Contents and the first four chapters click here If you’d like a author-signed copy 1495 including postage you can add that to your order for the Fighting Chance information package Here’s Bragg’s Take On Those Consumer Auto Pricing Sites Those sites are: a pitching the range of what other clueless shoppers have paid as the holy grail of transaction prices b using rebates which everyone gets and a comparison of their prices to the full sticker price which almost no one pays to inflate their claims of savings from using their services and c sending you on a ‘milk run’ to a small number of dealers in their networks who relish the thought of selling you a car at those prices and reward those conduit sites handsomely with the advertising and/or finder’s fees of 300 to 500 that comes out of your pocket Question: When you’re thinking about getting a new car are you sitting there saying Gee I hope I get a price that’s close to what everyone else is paying We don’t get to choose what is trueWe only get to choose what we do about it – Kami Garcia These Are The Facts About How Most Dealer Incentive Programs Work Today It’s 2018 not 1994 and that world isn’t flat anymore it’s round 90 of the bucks spent on dealer cash are in multi-month programs based on total sales targets and subjective issues like customers’ ratings of their selling dealerships NOT on sales of specific vehicles The rewards can be five to six-figure bonuses Some are stair-step promotions in which per-vehicle bonuses increase as dealers reach higher volume thresholds And no one can tell you any dealership’s target or performance level or when these programs start and end So reaching interim monthly goals along the way is crucially important There’s a lot of seasonality in the business and dealers can’t go into the last month 15 behind where they should have been based on that seasonal pattern That keeps steady sales pressure on month after month Dealers trailing their monthly targets near month-end will sell for much less and that’s likely to be different dealers each month WHAT’S IN THE FIGHTING CHANCE PACKAGE You’ll have the only independent unbiased source of truthful information and powerful negotiating advice on the Internet We’ve been focused single-mindedly on this subject since before the Dead Sea got sick and much of our knowledge has come from our customers’ feedback You’ll have us as your coaches as you go through the process Got a question Call us Want to run the numbers before you sign a lease Call us There’s no such thing as a silly question here In the package’s centerpiece How The PhoneEmail Attack Can Get You The Best Deal Saving You Time Money and Aggravation you’ll learn exactly what to do and say each step of the way as you conduct a competitive bidding process from your home or office Ideally you’ll enlist 9 or 10 dealers that you choose to make price proposals and you’ll go with the winner We also tell you the best day of each month to start the process You’ll receive our signature Big Picture analysis of how the brands and the specific vehicles you’re interested in have been doing in the market Are your model’s sales up or down Does the average dealer sell 2 per month or 22 This piece also reveals the current holdback information for brands that use it several don’t You’ll get the complete current sticker/MSRP and dealer invoice pricing data for the vehicles you’re considering covering all the trim levels and equipment packages Here’s a current list of model pricing available You’ll also get these insightful fact-based articles by Mr Bragg most of them information no other auto-info site will tell you Focus only on those relevant to your purchase or lease How We Abandoned Our Inborn Common Sense About New-Car Pricing How The Industry Has Turned The Invoice Price Into A Bloated ImposterBy Continually Raising It By More Than The MSRP For Over Two Decades How New-Car Dealers Make The Big Bucks And How They Don’t Today Incentives Often Differ From Market To Market Here’s How To Check The Offers Where You Are The Two Big ‘Fake News’ Come-ons To Ignore The Myth Of Vehicle-Specific Dealer Cash Incentives The Crucial Financial Importance Of A Dealership’s Customer Satisfaction Rating Important Note On The Pricing Of Dealer-Installed Accessories Can You Get The Vehicle Configuration You Want Things To Consider About Placing A Factory Order Have You Chosen A Crashworthy Vehicle Thoughts On Buying A Demo Or Last Year’s Leftover Model Should You Buy An Extended Warranty Dealing With A Trade-In If you tell us you have one Leasing 101: The Straight Skinny If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Here’s The Information We Need To Analyze Your ‘Best-Offer’ Lease Numbers With You If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Our unique package includes all the information you need to negotiate the best price on for any one vehicle You may place an order here on a secure encrypted order form at any time Special Message To Previous Customers The Fighting Chance package is always changing to reflect new knowledge and the best ways to deal with the changing realities in the retail car business Sometimes the changes are dramatic For example the method for getting competitive bids differs substantially from the arms-length/one-step fax or email attack process we recommended several years ago At other times the changes are small but represent worthwhile improvements The suggested wording in the note you’ll send dealers is fine-tuned often The package you’d receive today will typically include several insightful changes compared to the one you ordered years ago The Cost Of This Unique Package 4495 Includes all the information you need for any one vehicle Additional vehicles: 1500 each More than half of our customers add one or more additional vehicles as fall-back alternatives This could become a small but wise 1500 decision if you find it difficult to deal on your first choice Considering the substantial cost of the new vehicle you’re about to buy or lease isn’t this a relatively small price to pay for the comprehensive Fighting Chance information package Important Note: This is a service for NEW VEHICLES ONLY We have no information on used vehicles Also we have NO CANADIAN PRICING DATA Copyright © 2017 Fighting Chance Home 2
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With this empowering guide to buying or leasing a new car you’ll be in total control conducting the process from your home or office among several dealers that you choose The guide teaches you exactly what to say and do and when to do it And unlike every other new-car info site we’ll be here to answer your questions by phone every step of the way eg If you’re leasing we’ll go through the best-offer numbers with you before you sign the papers You Need The Whole Truth About The New-Car Business And This Is The Only Website Where You’ll Find It WARNING! Because I’m opening your eyes to the truth they’ve all been hiding our facts and action recommendations contradict EVERYTHING you’re being told and encouraged to do by TrueCar Edmunds Kelley Blue Book Carscom Consumer Reports and the other big new-car info sites which get all their revenue from the automakers and dealers they send you to For openers no dealer wants you to understand this: Every new car is a commodity the same vehicle with the same price structure at every dealership In the art of the deal the winner is always the one with the leverage And there’s ZERO LEVERAGE in walking into a car store and haggling You’re playing an away game and no one there is rooting for your team That dealer’s competitor isn’t the other brands it’s the other dealers who sell his brand And the winning leverage always comes from having several of them compete for your business Here’s an example: A customer got 9 dealers to compete for a redesigned 2017 Honda CR-V without leaving his home or office and paid 1090 below invoice The eight other bids were 900 below 510 below 410 below 180 below and 300 over invoice 460 over 530 over and 930 over – a 2020 spread from low to high! The winning Sales Manager said This is the only smart way to buy a car But if everyone did it this way we’d be out of business And that store may have been the next month’s high bidder depending on how it was doing then vs its target Question: What should we have told him was a good price for that car Any number we mentioned would have been bone stupid And that’s true for any car you want Either you repeat the same conventional doctrines everybody is saying or else you say something true and it will sound like it’s from Neptune – Noam Chomsky Why aren’t those auto-info old-boy clubs Kelley Blue Book Edmunds TrueCar carscom Consumer Reports etc telling you this Because they pocket referral fees of 300 to 500 when you buy a car from dealers in their networks – money which comes from your pocket They’re in business to help dealers sell cars profitably not to help you get the lowest price If they told you the truth they’d be out of business tomorrow Our customers almost always beat their prices frequently by a lot That’s why over half of our orders come from previous customers and their referrals No Auto-Info Site Can Serve Two Masters He Serves Just One: You The New-Car Buyer Founder James Bragg a Yale and Harvard Business School graduate is a career-long change agent who has always challenged conventional wisdom With 25 years and over 65000 hours focused solely on this subject he’s the country’s most knowledgeable new-car buyers’ consumer advocate And unlike every old-boy club source of new-car info and advice including Consumer Reports he’s never taken a dime from dealers or automakers As a result he’s become the sole source of the long-hidden truth about the dealer invoice price dealer cash incentives and the only smart way to buy a new car in today’s market His Discovery That The Invoice Price Has Nothing To Do WithAny Dealer Cost Shocked Consumer Reports Into Killing ItsNew Car Price Service a major cash cow Since 1983! In November 2012 he proved to that organization and four other auto-info biggies that the dealer invoice price has had no relationship to any vehicle’s cost since 1994 invalidating the core assumption behind their target price advice The effectiveness of that ancient invoice-based negotiating approach is dead as a doornail Embarrassed by its two-decade failure to recognize that obvious fact Consumer Reports dumped its legendary ‘cash cow’ New Car Price Service – the one they claimed would tell you the dealer’s true cost which hasn’t been true for 23 years Can there be any stronger evidence that the way to get the best price has changed forever It is almost impossible to carry the torch of truth through a crowd without singeing somebody’s beard – George Christoph Lichtenberg NEW-CAR SALES HAVE HIT A WALL AND THAT PUTS YOU IN THE DRIVER’S SEAT The pent-up demand from the recession has been satisfied 2015 was the last growth year with sales up 57 A 3 gain was forecast in 2016 but result was 03 Sales slipped 18 last year to 172 million about 300000 units behind 2016 Overall sales could drop below 17 million this year for the first time in three years January-August sales inched up just 11 but that tiny gain was based mainly on increased fleet sales to rental car companies and businesses not retail sales And over the last 5 years September sales have averaged 15 lower than August’s As a result the market is more competitive than ever with automakers spending more on incentives to move the metal In a word you’ve got more deal-making leverage than you’ve had in years Why am I the only one telling you these facts Because if the big new-car info and buying services did they’d jeopardize their entire revenue stream which comes from dealers and automakers not you For 25 years I’ve been on a mission to unearth and expose the long-hidden truths that Consumer Reports TrueCar Edmunds Carscom Kelley Blue Book and the auto industry don’t want you to know Those facts demolish all their conventional wisdom about how to buy a car and they transfer the negotiating leverage from the dealers to you Isn’t it time you stopped looking at the way to buy a new car through their rear-view mirrors PS Will you visit me when I enter the witness protection program JAMES BRAGG HOW TO ORDER THE PACKAGE AND WHEN AND HOW YOU’LL GET IT To place an order on our secure encrypted order form click on the Ordering link in the upper left column If you’d prefer to place a phone order or if you have questions that aren’t answered on our web site you may call our order desk at 1-562-433-8489 between 9:15AM and 4:00PM Pacific time Monday through Friday To see the vehicles for which we have pricing info click on the Auto Pricing link in that column Normal Delivery Timing: 99 of our customers request email delivery This is a tiny information boutique We usually send email orders by the next business day — with one exception this fall My assistant who sends the orders is a college grad school student who’s in class all day Tuesday this semester SO LATE MONDAY ORDERS AND ALL TUESDAY’S WILL USUALLY BE EMAILED TO CUSTOMERS ON WEDNESDAY We’ll be here 562-433-8489 to answer your questions and analyze your best lease offer weekdays between 9:15 AM and 4:00 PM Pacific time For a sneak peek at what you’ll get for 4495 scroll down to What’s In The Fighting Chance Package The Dealer Invoice Price Has Become a Bloated Imposter That Has Had Nothing To Do With Any New Car’s Real Cost For Twenty Three Years! And The Industry Moves It Further From Any Cost As noted above Bragg proved it to senior execs of Consumer Reports Kelley Blue Book Edmunds Carscom and TrueCar in a 11/27/12 USA TODAY Automotive Roundtable discussion of whether online car shopping and information services are believable and are relevant in today’s market To see it click here You could have heard a pin drop Incredibly no one was aware of a game-changing fact that had been in front of their noses for 17 years! It’s their worst nightmare because it exposes their pay what others paid as terrible advice Bragg asked the Consumer Reports person Who’s been running your New Car Price Service for the past 20 years Rip Van Winkle He was not amused To read much of the USA TODAY Don’t Trust That Invoice Price write-up on that meeting in which Bragg was dubbed a peppery contrarian click here To understand how laughable new-car pricing is today check out the tiny percentage differences between the base invoice and retail/sticker prices for each brand: Acura/5-7 Audi/7 BMW/6 Buick/4-5 Cadillac/5 Chevy/5-7 Dodge/3-4 Ford/1-7 Genesis/5-7 GMC/5-7 Honda/3-9 Hyundai/3-7 Infiniti/7 Jeep/2-5 Kia/5-7 Lexus/5-8 Lincoln/4-5 Mazda/3-5 Mercedes/7 Mitsubishi/2-3 Nissan/2-7 Ram/4-9 Subaru/5-7 Toyota/4-9 VW/4-5 Volvo/6 And that’s if you pay the full sticker price! Who does that The guy who thinks Taco Bell is a Mexican phone company Add the fact that dealerships have an overhead expense of 12 to 15 of revenue and you’d have to be brain dead to believe the invoice price is in the same area code as any cost number The auto industry is having a good laugh at how gullible we are It’s even flipping us off now with pricing for the Chrysler Pacific Hybrid minivan: Invoice 44895 Retail 44995! Yet all the info and advice on those big auto-info websites is based on our swallowing – hook line and sinker – the preposterous notion that for decades automakers have been telling everyone what their dealers pay for their cars If that were true dealers would go ballistic But they don’t and they never did even before the Internet arrived Your responsibility as a person is to constantly update your positions on as many things as possible If you don’t contradict yourself regularly you’re not thinking – Malcolm Gladwell The inside story of the discovery of that game-changing fact is told in our book Letting The Cat Out Of The Bag: How The Auto Industry ‘Redesigned’ The Dealer invoice Price When The Internet Arrived available in paperback and Kindle format at Amazon To read the back cover copy Preface Table of Contents and the first four chapters click here If you’d like a author-signed copy 1495 including postage you can add that to your order for the Fighting Chance information package Here’s Bragg’s Take On Those Consumer Auto Pricing Sites Those sites are: a pitching the range of what other clueless shoppers have paid as the holy grail of transaction prices b using rebates which everyone gets and a comparison of their prices to the full sticker price which almost no one pays to inflate their claims of savings from using their services and c sending you on a ‘milk run’ to a small number of dealers in their networks who relish the thought of selling you a car at those prices and reward those conduit sites handsomely with the advertising and/or finder’s fees of 300 to 500 that comes out of your pocket Question: When you’re thinking about getting a new car are you sitting there saying Gee I hope I get a price that’s close to what everyone else is paying We don’t get to choose what is trueWe only get to choose what we do about it – Kami Garcia These Are The Facts About How Most Dealer Incentive Programs Work Today It’s 2018 not 1994 and that world isn’t flat anymore it’s round 90 of the bucks spent on dealer cash are in multi-month programs based on total sales targets and subjective issues like customers’ ratings of their selling dealerships NOT on sales of specific vehicles The rewards can be five to six-figure bonuses Some are stair-step promotions in which per-vehicle bonuses increase as dealers reach higher volume thresholds And no one can tell you any dealership’s target or performance level or when these programs start and end So reaching interim monthly goals along the way is crucially important There’s a lot of seasonality in the business and dealers can’t go into the last month 15 behind where they should have been based on that seasonal pattern That keeps steady sales pressure on month after month Dealers trailing their monthly targets near month-end will sell for much less and that’s likely to be different dealers each month WHAT’S IN THE FIGHTING CHANCE PACKAGE You’ll have the only independent unbiased source of truthful information and powerful negotiating advice on the Internet We’ve been focused single-mindedly on this subject since before the Dead Sea got sick and much of our knowledge has come from our customers’ feedback You’ll have us as your coaches as you go through the process Got a question Call us Want to run the numbers before you sign a lease Call us There’s no such thing as a silly question here In the package’s centerpiece How The PhoneEmail Attack Can Get You The Best Deal Saving You Time Money and Aggravation you’ll learn exactly what to do and say each step of the way as you conduct a competitive bidding process from your home or office Ideally you’ll enlist 9 or 10 dealers that you choose to make price proposals and you’ll go with the winner We also tell you the best day of each month to start the process You’ll receive our signature Big Picture analysis of how the brands and the specific vehicles you’re interested in have been doing in the market Are your model’s sales up or down Does the average dealer sell 2 per month or 22 This piece also reveals the current holdback information for brands that use it several don’t You’ll get the complete current sticker/MSRP and dealer invoice pricing data for the vehicles you’re considering covering all the trim levels and equipment packages Here’s a current list of model pricing available You’ll also get these insightful fact-based articles by Mr Bragg most of them information no other auto-info site will tell you Focus only on those relevant to your purchase or lease How We Abandoned Our Inborn Common Sense About New-Car Pricing How The Industry Has Turned The Invoice Price Into A Bloated ImposterBy Continually Raising It By More Than The MSRP For Over Two Decades How New-Car Dealers Make The Big Bucks And How They Don’t Today Incentives Often Differ From Market To Market Here’s How To Check The Offers Where You Are The Two Big ‘Fake News’ Come-ons To Ignore The Myth Of Vehicle-Specific Dealer Cash Incentives The Crucial Financial Importance Of A Dealership’s Customer Satisfaction Rating Important Note On The Pricing Of Dealer-Installed Accessories Can You Get The Vehicle Configuration You Want Things To Consider About Placing A Factory Order Have You Chosen A Crashworthy Vehicle Thoughts On Buying A Demo Or Last Year’s Leftover Model Should You Buy An Extended Warranty Dealing With A Trade-In If you tell us you have one Leasing 101: The Straight Skinny If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Here’s The Information We Need To Analyze Your ‘Best-Offer’ Lease Numbers With You If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Our unique package includes all the information you need to negotiate the best price on for any one vehicle You may place an order here on a secure encrypted order form at any time Special Message To Previous Customers The Fighting Chance package is always changing to reflect new knowledge and the best ways to deal with the changing realities in the retail car business Sometimes the changes are dramatic For example the method for getting competitive bids differs substantially from the arms-length/one-step fax or email attack process we recommended several years ago At other times the changes are small but represent worthwhile improvements The suggested wording in the note you’ll send dealers is fine-tuned often The package you’d receive today will typically include several insightful changes compared to the one you ordered years ago The Cost Of This Unique Package 4495 Includes all the information you need for any one vehicle Additional vehicles: 1500 each More than half of our customers add one or more additional vehicles as fall-back alternatives This could become a small but wise 1500 decision if you find it difficult to deal on your first choice Considering the substantial cost of the new vehicle you’re about to buy or lease isn’t this a relatively small price to pay for the comprehensive Fighting Chance information package Important Note: This is a service 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HOW TO ORDER THE PACKAGE AND WHEN AND HOW YOU’LL GET IT To place an order on our secure encrypted order form click on the Ordering link in the upper left column If you’d prefer to place a phone order or if you have questions that aren’t answered on our web site you may call our order desk at 1-562-433-8489 between 9:15AM and 4:00PM Pacific time Monday through Friday To see the vehicles for which we have pricing info click on the Auto Pricing link in that column Normal Delivery Timing: 99 of our customers request email delivery This is a tiny information boutique We usually send email orders by the next business day — with one exception this fall My assistant who sends the orders is a college grad school student who’s in class all day Tuesday this semester SO LATE MONDAY ORDERS AND ALL TUESDAY’S WILL USUALLY BE EMAILED TO CUSTOMERS ON WEDNESDAY We’ll be here 562-433-8489 to answer your questions and analyze your best lease offer weekdays between 9:15 AM and 4:00 PM Pacific time For a sneak peek at what you’ll get for 4495 scroll down to What’s In The Fighting Chance Package The Dealer Invoice Price Has Become a Bloated Imposter That Has Had Nothing To Do With Any New Car’s Real Cost For Twenty Three Years! And The Industry Moves It Further From Any Cost As noted above Bragg proved it to senior execs of Consumer Reports Kelley Blue Book Edmunds Carscom and TrueCar in a 11/27/12 USA TODAY Automotive Roundtable discussion of whether online car shopping and information services are believable and are relevant in today’s market To see it click here You could have heard a pin drop Incredibly no one was aware of a game-changing fact that had been in front of their noses for 17 years! It’s their worst nightmare because it exposes their pay what others paid as terrible advice Bragg asked the Consumer Reports person Who’s been running your New Car Price Service for the past 20 years Rip Van Winkle He was not amused To read much of the USA TODAY Don’t Trust That Invoice Price write-up on that meeting in which Bragg was dubbed a peppery contrarian click here To understand how laughable new-car pricing is today check out the tiny percentage differences between the base invoice and retail/sticker prices for each brand: Acura/5-7 Audi/7 BMW/6 Buick/4-5 Cadillac/5 Chevy/5-7 Dodge/3-4 Ford/1-7 Genesis/5-7 GMC/5-7 Honda/3-9 Hyundai/3-7 Infiniti/7 Jeep/2-5 Kia/5-7 Lexus/5-8 Lincoln/4-5 Mazda/3-5 Mercedes/7 Mitsubishi/2-3 Nissan/2-7 Ram/4-9 Subaru/5-7 Toyota/4-9 VW/4-5 Volvo/6 And that’s if you pay the full sticker price! Who does that The guy who thinks Taco Bell is a Mexican phone company Add the fact that dealerships have an overhead expense of 12 to 15 of revenue and you’d have to be brain dead to believe the invoice price is in the same area code as any cost number The auto industry is having a good laugh at how gullible we are It’s even flipping us off now with pricing for the Chrysler Pacific Hybrid minivan: Invoice 44895 Retail 44995! Yet all the info and advice on those big auto-info websites is based on our swallowing – hook line and sinker – the preposterous notion that for decades automakers have been telling everyone what their dealers pay for their cars If that were true dealers would go ballistic But they don’t and they never did even before the Internet arrived Your responsibility as a person is to constantly update your positions on as many things as possible If you don’t contradict yourself regularly you’re not thinking – Malcolm Gladwell The inside story of the discovery of that game-changing fact is told in our book Letting The Cat Out Of The Bag: How The Auto Industry ‘Redesigned’ The Dealer invoice Price When The Internet Arrived available in paperback and Kindle format at Amazon To read the back cover copy Preface Table of Contents and the first four chapters click here If you’d like a author-signed copy 1495 including postage you can add that to your order for the Fighting Chance information package Here’s Bragg’s Take On Those Consumer Auto Pricing Sites Those sites are: a pitching the range of what other clueless shoppers have paid as the holy grail of transaction prices b using rebates which everyone gets and a comparison of their prices to the full sticker price which almost no one pays to inflate their claims of savings from using their services and c sending you on a ‘milk run’ to a small number of dealers in their networks who relish the thought of selling you a car at those prices and reward those conduit sites handsomely with the advertising and/or finder’s fees of 300 to 500 that comes out of your pocket Question: When you’re thinking about getting a new car are you sitting there saying Gee I hope I get a price that’s close to what everyone else is paying We don’t get to choose what is trueWe only get to choose what we do about it – Kami Garcia These Are The Facts About How Most Dealer Incentive Programs Work Today It’s 2018 not 1994 and that world isn’t flat anymore it’s round 90 of the bucks spent on dealer cash are in multi-month programs based on total sales targets and subjective issues like customers’ ratings of their selling dealerships NOT on sales of specific vehicles The rewards can be five to six-figure bonuses Some are stair-step promotions in which per-vehicle bonuses increase as dealers reach higher volume thresholds And no one can tell you any dealership’s target or performance level or when these programs start and end So reaching interim monthly goals along the way is crucially important There’s a lot of seasonality in the business and dealers can’t go into the last month 15 behind where they should have been based on that seasonal pattern That keeps steady sales pressure on month after month Dealers trailing their monthly targets near month-end will sell for much less and that’s likely to be different dealers each month WHAT’S IN THE FIGHTING CHANCE PACKAGE You’ll have the only independent unbiased source of truthful information and powerful negotiating advice on the Internet We’ve been focused single-mindedly on this subject since before the Dead Sea got sick and much of our knowledge has come from our customers’ feedback You’ll have us as your coaches as you go through the process Got a question Call us Want to run the numbers before you sign a lease Call us There’s no such thing as a silly question here In the package’s centerpiece How The PhoneEmail Attack Can Get You The Best Deal Saving You Time Money and Aggravation you’ll learn exactly what to do and say each step of the way as you conduct a competitive bidding process from your home or office Ideally you’ll enlist 9 or 10 dealers that you choose to make price proposals and you’ll go with the winner We also tell you the best day of each month to start the process You’ll receive our signature Big Picture analysis of how the brands and the specific vehicles you’re interested in have been doing in the market Are your model’s sales up or down Does the average dealer sell 2 per month or 22 This piece also reveals the current holdback information for brands that use it several don’t You’ll get the complete current sticker/MSRP and dealer invoice pricing data for the vehicles you’re considering covering all the trim levels and equipment packages Here’s a current list of model pricing available You’ll also get these insightful fact-based articles by Mr Bragg most of them information no other auto-info site will tell you Focus only on those relevant to your purchase or lease How We Abandoned Our Inborn Common Sense About New-Car Pricing How The Industry Has Turned The Invoice Price Into A Bloated ImposterBy Continually Raising It By More Than The MSRP For Over Two Decades How New-Car Dealers Make The Big Bucks And How They Don’t Today Incentives Often Differ From Market To Market Here’s How To Check The Offers Where You Are The Two Big ‘Fake News’ Come-ons To Ignore The Myth Of Vehicle-Specific Dealer Cash Incentives The Crucial Financial Importance Of A Dealership’s Customer Satisfaction Rating Important Note On The Pricing Of Dealer-Installed Accessories Can You Get The Vehicle Configuration You Want Things To Consider About Placing A Factory Order Have You Chosen A Crashworthy Vehicle Thoughts On Buying A Demo Or Last Year’s Leftover Model Should You Buy An Extended Warranty Dealing With A Trade-In If you tell us you have one Leasing 101: The Straight Skinny If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Here’s The Information We Need To Analyze Your ‘Best-Offer’ Lease Numbers With You If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Our unique package includes all the information you need to negotiate the best price on for any one vehicle You may place an order here on a secure encrypted order form at any time Special Message To Previous Customers The Fighting Chance package is always changing to reflect new knowledge and the best ways to deal with the changing realities in the retail car business Sometimes the changes are dramatic For example the method for getting competitive bids differs substantially from the arms-length/one-step fax or email attack process we recommended several years ago At other times the changes are small but represent worthwhile improvements The suggested wording in the note you’ll send dealers is fine-tuned often The package you’d receive today will typically include several insightful changes compared to the one you ordered years ago The Cost Of This Unique Package 4495 Includes all the information you need for any one vehicle Additional vehicles: 1500 each More than half of our customers add one or more additional vehicles as fall-back alternatives This could become a small but wise 1500 decision if you find it difficult to deal on your first choice Considering the substantial cost of the new vehicle you’re about to buy or lease isn’t this a relatively small price to pay for the comprehensive Fighting Chance information package Important Note: This is a service 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No Auto-Info Site Can Serve Two Masters He Serves Just One: You The New-Car Buyer Founder James Bragg a Yale and Harvard Business School graduate is a career-long change agent who has always challenged conventional wisdom With 25 years and over 65000 hours focused solely on this subject he’s the country’s most knowledgeable new-car buyers’ consumer advocate And unlike every old-boy club source of new-car info and advice including Consumer Reports he’s never taken a dime from dealers or automakers As a result he’s become the sole source of the long-hidden truth about the dealer invoice price dealer cash incentives and the only smart way to buy a new car in today’s market His Discovery That The Invoice Price Has Nothing To Do WithAny Dealer Cost Shocked Consumer Reports Into Killing ItsNew Car Price Service a major cash cow Since 1983! In November 2012 he proved to that organization and four other auto-info biggies that the dealer invoice price has had no relationship to any vehicle’s cost since 1994 invalidating the core assumption behind their target price advice The effectiveness of that ancient invoice-based negotiating approach is dead as a doornail Embarrassed by its two-decade failure to recognize that obvious fact Consumer Reports dumped its legendary ‘cash cow’ New Car Price Service – the one they claimed would tell you the dealer’s true cost which hasn’t been true for 23 years Can there be any stronger evidence that the way to get the best price has changed forever It is almost impossible to carry the torch of truth through a crowd without singeing somebody’s beard – George Christoph Lichtenberg NEW-CAR SALES HAVE HIT A WALL AND THAT PUTS YOU IN THE DRIVER’S SEAT The pent-up demand from the recession has been satisfied 2015 was the last growth year with sales up 57 A 3 gain was forecast in 2016 but result was 03 Sales slipped 18 last year to 172 million about 300000 units behind 2016 Overall sales could drop below 17 million this year for the first time in three years January-August sales inched up just 11 but that tiny gain was based mainly on increased fleet sales to rental car companies and businesses not retail sales And over the last 5 years September sales have averaged 15 lower than August’s As a result the market is more competitive than ever with automakers spending more on incentives to move the metal In a word you’ve got more deal-making leverage than you’ve had in years Why am I the only one telling you these facts Because if the big new-car info and buying services did they’d jeopardize their entire revenue stream which comes from dealers and automakers not you For 25 years I’ve been on a mission to unearth and expose the long-hidden truths that Consumer Reports TrueCar Edmunds Carscom Kelley Blue Book and the auto industry don’t want you to know Those facts demolish all their conventional wisdom about how to buy a car and they transfer the negotiating leverage from the dealers to you Isn’t it time you stopped looking at the way to buy a new car through their rear-view mirrors PS Will you visit me when I enter the witness protection program JAMES BRAGG HOW TO ORDER THE PACKAGE AND WHEN AND HOW YOU’LL GET IT To place an order on our secure encrypted order form click on the Ordering link in the upper left column If you’d prefer to place a phone order or if you have questions that aren’t answered on our web site you may call our order desk at 1-562-433-8489 between 9:15AM and 4:00PM Pacific time Monday through Friday To see the vehicles for which we have pricing info click on the Auto Pricing link in that column Normal Delivery Timing: 99 of our customers request email delivery This is a tiny information boutique We usually send email orders by the next business day — with one exception this fall My assistant who sends the orders is a college grad school student who’s in class all day Tuesday this semester SO LATE MONDAY ORDERS AND ALL TUESDAY’S WILL USUALLY BE EMAILED TO CUSTOMERS ON WEDNESDAY We’ll be here 562-433-8489 to answer your questions and analyze your best lease offer weekdays between 9:15 AM and 4:00 PM Pacific time For a sneak peek at what you’ll get for 4495 scroll down to What’s In The Fighting Chance Package The Dealer Invoice Price Has Become a Bloated Imposter That Has Had Nothing To Do With Any New Car’s Real Cost For Twenty Three Years! And The Industry Moves It Further From Any Cost As noted above Bragg proved it to senior execs of Consumer Reports Kelley Blue Book Edmunds Carscom and TrueCar in a 11/27/12 USA TODAY Automotive Roundtable discussion of whether online car shopping and information services are believable and are relevant in today’s market To see it click here You could have heard a pin drop Incredibly no one was aware of a game-changing fact that had been in front of their noses for 17 years! It’s their worst nightmare because it exposes their pay what others paid as terrible advice Bragg asked the Consumer Reports person Who’s been running your New Car Price Service for the past 20 years Rip Van Winkle He was not amused To read much of the USA TODAY Don’t Trust That Invoice Price write-up on that meeting in which Bragg was dubbed a peppery contrarian click here To understand how laughable new-car pricing is today check out the tiny percentage differences between the base invoice and retail/sticker prices for each brand: Acura/5-7 Audi/7 BMW/6 Buick/4-5 Cadillac/5 Chevy/5-7 Dodge/3-4 Ford/1-7 Genesis/5-7 GMC/5-7 Honda/3-9 Hyundai/3-7 Infiniti/7 Jeep/2-5 Kia/5-7 Lexus/5-8 Lincoln/4-5 Mazda/3-5 Mercedes/7 Mitsubishi/2-3 Nissan/2-7 Ram/4-9 Subaru/5-7 Toyota/4-9 VW/4-5 Volvo/6 And that’s if you pay the full sticker price! Who does that The guy who thinks Taco Bell is a Mexican phone company Add the fact that dealerships have an overhead expense of 12 to 15 of revenue and you’d have to be brain dead to believe the invoice price is in the same area code as any cost number The auto industry is having a good laugh at how gullible we are It’s even flipping us off now with pricing for the Chrysler Pacific Hybrid minivan: Invoice 44895 Retail 44995! Yet all the info and advice on those big auto-info websites is based on our swallowing – hook line and sinker – the preposterous notion that for decades automakers have been telling everyone what their dealers pay for their cars If that were true dealers would go ballistic But they don’t and they never did even before the Internet arrived Your responsibility as a person is to constantly update your positions on as many things as possible If you don’t contradict yourself regularly you’re not thinking – Malcolm Gladwell The inside story of the discovery of that game-changing fact is told in our book Letting The Cat Out Of The Bag: How The Auto Industry ‘Redesigned’ The Dealer invoice Price When The Internet Arrived available in paperback and Kindle format at Amazon To read the back cover copy Preface Table of Contents and the first four chapters click here If you’d like a author-signed copy 1495 including postage you can add that to your order for the Fighting Chance information package Here’s Bragg’s Take On Those Consumer Auto Pricing Sites Those sites are: a pitching the range of what other clueless shoppers have paid as the holy grail of transaction prices b using rebates which everyone gets and a comparison of their prices to the full sticker price which almost no one pays to inflate their claims of savings from using their services and c sending you on a ‘milk run’ to a small number of dealers in their networks who relish the thought of selling you a car at those prices and reward those conduit sites handsomely with the advertising and/or finder’s fees of 300 to 500 that comes out of your pocket Question: When you’re thinking about getting a new car are you sitting there saying Gee I hope I get a price that’s close to what everyone else is paying We don’t get to choose what is trueWe only get to choose what we do about it – Kami Garcia These Are The Facts About How Most Dealer Incentive Programs Work Today It’s 2018 not 1994 and that world isn’t flat anymore it’s round 90 of the bucks spent on dealer cash are in multi-month programs based on total sales targets and subjective issues like customers’ ratings of their selling dealerships NOT on sales of specific vehicles The rewards can be five to six-figure bonuses Some are stair-step promotions in which per-vehicle bonuses increase as dealers reach higher volume thresholds And no one can tell you any dealership’s target or performance level or when these programs start and end So reaching interim monthly goals along the way is crucially important There’s a lot of seasonality in the business and dealers can’t go into the last month 15 behind where they should have been based on that seasonal pattern That keeps steady sales pressure on month after month Dealers trailing their monthly targets near month-end will sell for much less and that’s likely to be different dealers each month WHAT’S IN THE FIGHTING CHANCE PACKAGE You’ll have the only independent unbiased source of truthful information and powerful negotiating advice on the Internet We’ve been focused single-mindedly on this subject since before the Dead Sea got sick and much of our knowledge has come from our customers’ feedback You’ll have us as your coaches as you go through the process Got a question Call us Want to run the numbers before you sign a lease Call us There’s no such thing as a silly question here In the package’s centerpiece How The PhoneEmail Attack Can Get You The Best Deal Saving You Time Money and Aggravation you’ll learn exactly what to do and say each step of the way as you conduct a competitive bidding process from your home or office Ideally you’ll enlist 9 or 10 dealers that you choose to make price proposals and you’ll go with the winner We also tell you the best day of each month to start the process You’ll receive our signature Big Picture analysis of how the brands and the specific vehicles you’re interested in have been doing in the market Are your model’s sales up or down Does the average dealer sell 2 per month or 22 This piece also reveals the current holdback information for brands that use it several don’t You’ll get the complete current sticker/MSRP and dealer invoice pricing data for the vehicles you’re considering covering all the trim levels and equipment packages Here’s a current list of model pricing available You’ll also get these insightful fact-based articles by Mr Bragg most of them information no other auto-info site will tell you Focus only on those relevant to your purchase or lease How We Abandoned Our Inborn Common Sense About New-Car Pricing How The Industry Has Turned The Invoice Price Into A Bloated ImposterBy Continually Raising It By More Than The MSRP For Over Two Decades How New-Car Dealers Make The Big Bucks And How They Don’t Today Incentives Often Differ From Market To Market Here’s How To Check The Offers Where You Are The Two Big ‘Fake News’ Come-ons To Ignore The Myth Of Vehicle-Specific Dealer Cash Incentives The Crucial Financial Importance Of A Dealership’s Customer Satisfaction Rating Important Note On The Pricing Of Dealer-Installed Accessories Can You Get The Vehicle Configuration You Want Things To Consider About Placing A Factory Order Have You Chosen A Crashworthy Vehicle Thoughts On Buying A Demo Or Last Year’s Leftover Model Should You Buy An Extended Warranty Dealing With A Trade-In If you tell us you have one Leasing 101: The Straight Skinny If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Here’s The Information We Need To Analyze Your ‘Best-Offer’ Lease Numbers With You If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Our unique package includes all the information you need to negotiate the best price on for any one vehicle You may place an order here on a secure encrypted order form at any time Special Message To Previous Customers The Fighting Chance package is always changing to reflect new knowledge and the best ways to deal with the changing realities in the retail car business Sometimes the changes are dramatic For example the method for getting competitive bids differs substantially from the arms-length/one-step fax or email attack process we recommended several years ago At other times the changes are small but represent worthwhile improvements The suggested wording in the note you’ll send dealers is fine-tuned often The package you’d receive today will typically include several insightful changes compared to the one you ordered years ago The Cost Of This Unique Package 4495 Includes all the information you need for any one vehicle Additional vehicles: 1500 each More than half of our customers add one or more additional vehicles as fall-back alternatives This could become a small but wise 1500 decision if you find it difficult to deal on your first choice Considering the substantial cost of the new vehicle you’re about to buy or lease isn’t this a relatively small price to pay for the comprehensive Fighting Chance information package Important Note: This is a service 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The pent-up demand from the recession has been satisfied 2015 was the last growth year with sales up 57 A 3 gain was forecast in 2016 but result was 03 Sales slipped 18 last year to 172 million about 300000 units behind 2016 Overall sales could drop below 17 million this year for the first time in three years January-August sales inched up just 11 but that tiny gain was based mainly on increased fleet sales to rental car companies and businesses not retail sales And over the last 5 years September sales have averaged 15 lower than August’s As a result the market is more competitive than ever with automakers spending more on incentives to move the metal In a word you’ve got more deal-making leverage than you’ve had in years Why am I the only one telling you these facts Because if the big new-car info and buying services did they’d jeopardize their entire revenue stream which comes from dealers and automakers not you For 25 years I’ve been on a mission to unearth and expose the long-hidden truths that Consumer Reports TrueCar Edmunds Carscom Kelley Blue Book and the auto industry don’t want you to know Those facts demolish all their conventional wisdom about how to buy a car and they transfer the negotiating leverage from the dealers to you Isn’t it time you stopped looking at the way to buy a new car through their rear-view mirrors PS Will you visit me when I enter the witness protection program JAMES BRAGG HOW TO ORDER THE PACKAGE AND WHEN AND HOW YOU’LL GET IT To place an order on our secure encrypted order form click on the Ordering link in the upper left column If you’d prefer to place a phone order or if you have questions that aren’t answered on our web site you may call our order desk at 1-562-433-8489 between 9:15AM and 4:00PM Pacific time Monday through Friday To see the vehicles for which we have pricing info click on the Auto Pricing link in that column Normal Delivery Timing: 99 of our customers request email delivery This is a tiny information boutique We usually send email orders by the next business day — with one exception this fall My assistant who sends the orders is a college grad school student who’s in class all day Tuesday this semester SO LATE MONDAY ORDERS AND ALL TUESDAY’S WILL USUALLY BE EMAILED TO CUSTOMERS ON WEDNESDAY We’ll be here 562-433-8489 to answer your questions and analyze your best lease offer weekdays between 9:15 AM and 4:00 PM Pacific time For a sneak peek at what you’ll get for 4495 scroll down to What’s In The Fighting Chance Package The Dealer Invoice Price Has Become a Bloated Imposter That Has Had Nothing To Do With Any New Car’s Real Cost For Twenty Three Years! And The Industry Moves It Further From Any Cost As noted above Bragg proved it to senior execs of Consumer Reports Kelley Blue Book Edmunds Carscom and TrueCar in a 11/27/12 USA TODAY Automotive Roundtable discussion of whether online car shopping and information services are believable and are relevant in today’s market To see it click here You could have heard a pin drop Incredibly no one was aware of a game-changing fact that had been in front of their noses for 17 years! It’s their worst nightmare because it exposes their pay what others paid as terrible advice Bragg asked the Consumer Reports person Who’s been running your New Car Price Service for the past 20 years Rip Van Winkle He was not amused To read much of the USA TODAY Don’t Trust That Invoice Price write-up on that meeting in which Bragg was dubbed a peppery contrarian click here To understand how laughable new-car pricing is today check out the tiny percentage differences between the base invoice and retail/sticker prices for each brand: Acura/5-7 Audi/7 BMW/6 Buick/4-5 Cadillac/5 Chevy/5-7 Dodge/3-4 Ford/1-7 Genesis/5-7 GMC/5-7 Honda/3-9 Hyundai/3-7 Infiniti/7 Jeep/2-5 Kia/5-7 Lexus/5-8 Lincoln/4-5 Mazda/3-5 Mercedes/7 Mitsubishi/2-3 Nissan/2-7 Ram/4-9 Subaru/5-7 Toyota/4-9 VW/4-5 Volvo/6 And that’s if you pay the full sticker price! Who does that The guy who thinks Taco Bell is a Mexican phone company Add the fact that dealerships have an overhead expense of 12 to 15 of revenue and you’d have to be brain dead to believe the invoice price is in the same area code as any cost number The auto industry is having a good laugh at how gullible we are It’s even flipping us off now with pricing for the Chrysler Pacific Hybrid minivan: Invoice 44895 Retail 44995! Yet all the info and advice on those big auto-info websites is based on our swallowing – hook line and sinker – the preposterous notion that for decades automakers have been telling everyone what their dealers pay for their cars If that were true dealers would go ballistic But they don’t and they never did even before the Internet arrived Your responsibility as a person is to constantly update your positions on as many things as possible If you don’t contradict yourself regularly you’re not thinking – Malcolm Gladwell The inside story of the discovery of that game-changing fact is told in our book Letting The Cat Out Of The Bag: How The Auto Industry ‘Redesigned’ The Dealer invoice Price When The Internet Arrived available in paperback and Kindle format at Amazon To read the back cover copy Preface Table of Contents and the first four chapters click here If you’d like a author-signed copy 1495 including postage you can add that to your order for the Fighting Chance information package Here’s Bragg’s Take On Those Consumer Auto Pricing Sites Those sites are: a pitching the range of what other clueless shoppers have paid as the holy grail of transaction prices b using rebates which everyone gets and a comparison of their prices to the full sticker price which almost no one pays to inflate their claims of savings from using their services and c sending you on a ‘milk run’ to a small number of dealers in their networks who relish the thought of selling you a car at those prices and reward those conduit sites handsomely with the advertising and/or finder’s fees of 300 to 500 that comes out of your pocket Question: When you’re thinking about getting a new car are you sitting there saying Gee I hope I get a price that’s close to what everyone else is paying We don’t get to choose what is trueWe only get to choose what we do about it – Kami Garcia These Are The Facts About How Most Dealer Incentive Programs Work Today It’s 2018 not 1994 and that world isn’t flat anymore it’s round 90 of the bucks spent on dealer cash are in multi-month programs based on total sales targets and subjective issues like customers’ ratings of their selling dealerships NOT on sales of specific vehicles The rewards can be five to six-figure bonuses Some are stair-step promotions in which per-vehicle bonuses increase as dealers reach higher volume thresholds And no one can tell you any dealership’s target or performance level or when these programs start and end So reaching interim monthly goals along the way is crucially important There’s a lot of seasonality in the business and dealers can’t go into the last month 15 behind where they should have been based on that seasonal pattern That keeps steady sales pressure on month after month Dealers trailing their monthly targets near month-end will sell for much less and that’s likely to be different dealers each month WHAT’S IN THE FIGHTING CHANCE PACKAGE You’ll have the only independent unbiased source of truthful information and powerful negotiating advice on the Internet We’ve been focused single-mindedly on this subject since before the Dead Sea got sick and much of our knowledge has come from our customers’ feedback You’ll have us as your coaches as you go through the process Got a question Call us Want to run the numbers before you sign a lease Call us There’s no such thing as a silly question here In the package’s centerpiece How The PhoneEmail Attack Can Get You The Best Deal Saving You Time Money and Aggravation you’ll learn exactly what to do and say each step of the way as you conduct a competitive bidding process from your home or office Ideally you’ll enlist 9 or 10 dealers that you choose to make price proposals and you’ll go with the winner We also tell you the best day of each month to start the process You’ll receive our signature Big Picture analysis of how the brands and the specific vehicles you’re interested in have been doing in the market Are your model’s sales up or down Does the average dealer sell 2 per month or 22 This piece also reveals the current holdback information for brands that use it several don’t You’ll get the complete current sticker/MSRP and dealer invoice pricing data for the vehicles you’re considering covering all the trim levels and equipment packages Here’s a current list of model pricing available You’ll also get these insightful fact-based articles by Mr Bragg most of them information no other auto-info site will tell you Focus only on those relevant to your purchase or lease How We Abandoned Our Inborn Common Sense About New-Car Pricing How The Industry Has Turned The Invoice Price Into A Bloated ImposterBy Continually Raising It By More Than The MSRP For Over Two Decades How New-Car Dealers Make The Big Bucks And How They Don’t Today Incentives Often Differ From Market To Market Here’s How To Check The Offers Where You Are The Two Big ‘Fake News’ Come-ons To Ignore The Myth Of Vehicle-Specific Dealer Cash Incentives The Crucial Financial Importance Of A Dealership’s Customer Satisfaction Rating Important Note On The Pricing Of Dealer-Installed Accessories Can You Get The Vehicle Configuration You Want Things To Consider About Placing A Factory Order Have You Chosen A Crashworthy Vehicle Thoughts On Buying A Demo Or Last Year’s Leftover Model Should You Buy An Extended Warranty Dealing With A Trade-In If you tell us you have one Leasing 101: The Straight Skinny If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Here’s The Information We Need To Analyze Your ‘Best-Offer’ Lease Numbers With You If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Our unique package includes all the information you need to negotiate the best price on for any one vehicle You may place an order here on a secure encrypted order form at any time Special Message To Previous Customers The Fighting Chance package is always changing to reflect new knowledge and the best ways to deal with the changing realities in the retail car business Sometimes the changes are dramatic For example the method for getting competitive bids differs substantially from the arms-length/one-step fax or email attack process we recommended several years ago At other times the changes are small but represent worthwhile improvements The suggested wording in the note you’ll send dealers is fine-tuned often The package you’d receive today will typically include several insightful changes compared to the one you ordered years ago The Cost Of This Unique Package 4495 Includes all the information you need for any one vehicle Additional vehicles: 1500 each More than half of our customers add one or more additional vehicles as fall-back alternatives This could become a small but wise 1500 decision if you find it difficult to deal on your first choice Considering the substantial cost of the new vehicle you’re about to buy or lease isn’t this a relatively small price to pay for the comprehensive Fighting Chance information package Important Note: This is a service 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To read much of the USA TODAY Don’t Trust That Invoice Price write-up on that meeting in which Bragg was dubbed a peppery contrarian click here To understand how laughable new-car pricing is today check out the tiny percentage differences between the base invoice and retail/sticker prices for each brand: Acura/5-7 Audi/7 BMW/6 Buick/4-5 Cadillac/5 Chevy/5-7 Dodge/3-4 Ford/1-7 Genesis/5-7 GMC/5-7 Honda/3-9 Hyundai/3-7 Infiniti/7 Jeep/2-5 Kia/5-7 Lexus/5-8 Lincoln/4-5 Mazda/3-5 Mercedes/7 Mitsubishi/2-3 Nissan/2-7 Ram/4-9 Subaru/5-7 Toyota/4-9 VW/4-5 Volvo/6 And that’s if you pay the full sticker price! Who does that The guy who thinks Taco Bell is a Mexican phone company Add the fact that dealerships have an overhead expense of 12 to 15 of revenue and you’d have to be brain dead to believe the invoice price is in the same area code as any cost number The auto industry is having a good laugh at how gullible we are It’s even flipping us off now with pricing for the Chrysler Pacific Hybrid minivan: Invoice 44895 Retail 44995! Yet all the info and advice on those big auto-info websites is based on our swallowing – hook line and sinker – the preposterous notion that for decades automakers have been telling everyone what their dealers pay for their cars If that were true dealers would go ballistic But they don’t and they never did even before the Internet arrived Your responsibility as a person is to constantly update your positions on as many things as possible If you don’t contradict yourself regularly you’re not thinking – Malcolm Gladwell The inside story of the discovery of that game-changing fact is told in our book Letting The Cat Out Of The Bag: How The Auto Industry ‘Redesigned’ The Dealer invoice Price When The Internet Arrived available in paperback and Kindle format at Amazon To read the back cover copy Preface Table of Contents and the first four chapters click here If you’d like a author-signed copy 1495 including postage you can add that to your order for the Fighting Chance information package Here’s Bragg’s Take On Those Consumer Auto Pricing Sites Those sites are: a pitching the range of what other clueless shoppers have paid as the holy grail of transaction prices b using rebates which everyone gets and a comparison of their prices to the full sticker price which almost no one pays to inflate their claims of savings from using their services and c sending you on a ‘milk run’ to a small number of dealers in their networks who relish the thought of selling you a car at those prices and reward those conduit sites handsomely with the advertising and/or finder’s fees of 300 to 500 that comes out of your pocket Question: When you’re thinking about getting a new car are you sitting there saying Gee I hope I get a price that’s close to what everyone else is paying We don’t get to choose what is trueWe only get to choose what we do about it – Kami Garcia These Are The Facts About How Most Dealer Incentive Programs Work Today It’s 2018 not 1994 and that world isn’t flat anymore it’s round 90 of the bucks spent on dealer cash are in multi-month programs based on total sales targets and subjective issues like customers’ ratings of their selling dealerships NOT on sales of specific vehicles The rewards can be five to six-figure bonuses Some are stair-step promotions in which per-vehicle bonuses increase as dealers reach higher volume thresholds And no one can tell you any dealership’s target or performance level or when these programs start and end So reaching interim monthly goals along the way is crucially important There’s a lot of seasonality in the business and dealers can’t go into the last month 15 behind where they should have been based on that seasonal pattern That keeps steady sales pressure on month after month Dealers trailing their monthly targets near month-end will sell for much less and that’s likely to be different dealers each month WHAT’S IN THE FIGHTING CHANCE PACKAGE You’ll have the only independent unbiased source of truthful information and powerful negotiating advice on the Internet We’ve been focused single-mindedly on this subject since before the Dead Sea got sick and much of our knowledge has come from our customers’ feedback You’ll have us as your coaches as you go through the process Got a question Call us Want to run the numbers before you sign a lease Call us There’s no such thing as a silly question here In the package’s centerpiece How The PhoneEmail Attack Can Get You The Best Deal Saving You Time Money and Aggravation you’ll learn exactly what to do and say each step of the way as you conduct a competitive bidding process from your home or office Ideally you’ll enlist 9 or 10 dealers that you choose to make price proposals and you’ll go with the winner We also tell you the best day of each month to start the process You’ll receive our signature Big Picture analysis of how the brands and the specific vehicles you’re interested in have been doing in the market Are your model’s sales up or down Does the average dealer sell 2 per month or 22 This piece also reveals the current holdback information for brands that use it several don’t You’ll get the complete current sticker/MSRP and dealer invoice pricing data for the vehicles you’re considering covering all the trim levels and equipment packages Here’s a current list of model pricing available You’ll also get these insightful fact-based articles by Mr Bragg most of them information no other auto-info site will tell you Focus only on those relevant to your purchase or lease How We Abandoned Our Inborn Common Sense About New-Car Pricing How The Industry Has Turned The Invoice Price Into A Bloated ImposterBy Continually Raising It By More Than The MSRP For Over Two Decades How New-Car Dealers Make The Big Bucks And How They Don’t Today Incentives Often Differ From Market To Market Here’s How To Check The Offers Where You Are The Two Big ‘Fake News’ Come-ons To Ignore The Myth Of Vehicle-Specific Dealer Cash Incentives The Crucial Financial Importance Of A Dealership’s Customer Satisfaction Rating Important Note On The Pricing Of Dealer-Installed Accessories Can You Get The Vehicle Configuration You Want Things To Consider About Placing A Factory Order Have You Chosen A Crashworthy Vehicle Thoughts On Buying A Demo Or Last Year’s Leftover Model Should You Buy An Extended Warranty Dealing With A Trade-In If you tell us you have one Leasing 101: The Straight Skinny If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Here’s The Information We Need To Analyze Your ‘Best-Offer’ Lease Numbers With You If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Our unique package includes all the information you need to negotiate the best price on for any one vehicle You may place an order here on a secure encrypted order form at any time Special Message To Previous Customers The Fighting Chance package is always changing to reflect new knowledge and the best ways to deal with the changing realities in the retail car business Sometimes the changes are dramatic For example the method for getting competitive bids differs substantially from the arms-length/one-step fax or email attack process we recommended several years ago At other times the changes are small but represent worthwhile improvements The suggested wording in the note you’ll send dealers is fine-tuned often The package you’d receive today will typically include several insightful changes compared to the one you ordered years ago The Cost Of This Unique Package 4495 Includes all the information you need for any one vehicle Additional vehicles: 1500 each More than half of our customers add one or more additional vehicles as fall-back alternatives This could become a small but wise 1500 decision if you find it difficult to deal on your first choice Considering the substantial cost of the new vehicle you’re about to buy or lease isn’t this a relatively small price to pay for the comprehensive Fighting Chance information package Important Note: This is a service for NEW VEHICLES ONLY We have no information on used vehicles Also we have NO CANADIAN PRICING DATA Copyright © 2017 Fighting Chance Home 2
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As a result the market is more competitive than ever with automakers spending more on incentives to move the metal In a word you’ve got more deal-making leverage than you’ve had in years Why am I the only one telling you these facts Because if the big new-car info and buying services did they’d jeopardize their entire revenue stream which comes from dealers and automakers not you For 25 years I’ve been on a mission to unearth and expose the long-hidden truths that Consumer Reports TrueCar Edmunds Carscom Kelley Blue Book and the auto industry don’t want you to know Those facts demolish all their conventional wisdom about how to buy a car and they transfer the negotiating leverage from the dealers to you Isn’t it time you stopped looking at the way to buy a new car through their rear-view mirrors PS Will you visit me when I enter the witness protection program JAMES BRAGG HOW TO ORDER THE PACKAGE AND WHEN AND HOW YOU’LL GET IT To place an order on our secure encrypted order form click on the Ordering link in the upper left column If you’d prefer to place a phone order or if you have questions that aren’t answered on our web site you may call our order desk at 1-562-433-8489 between 9:15AM and 4:00PM Pacific time Monday through Friday To see the vehicles for which we have pricing info click on the Auto Pricing link in that column Normal Delivery Timing: 99 of our customers request email delivery This is a tiny information boutique We usually send email orders by the next business day — with one exception this fall My assistant who sends the orders is a college grad school student who’s in class all day Tuesday this semester SO LATE MONDAY ORDERS AND ALL TUESDAY’S WILL USUALLY BE EMAILED TO CUSTOMERS ON WEDNESDAY We’ll be here 562-433-8489 to answer your questions and analyze your best lease offer weekdays between 9:15 AM and 4:00 PM Pacific time For a sneak peek at what you’ll get for 4495 scroll down to What’s In The Fighting Chance Package The Dealer Invoice Price Has Become a Bloated Imposter That Has Had Nothing To Do With Any New Car’s Real Cost For Twenty Three Years! And The Industry Moves It Further From Any Cost As noted above Bragg proved it to senior execs of Consumer Reports Kelley Blue Book Edmunds Carscom and TrueCar in a 11/27/12 USA TODAY Automotive Roundtable discussion of whether online car shopping and information services are believable and are relevant in today’s market To see it click here You could have heard a pin drop Incredibly no one was aware of a game-changing fact that had been in front of their noses for 17 years! It’s their worst nightmare because it exposes their pay what others paid as terrible advice Bragg asked the Consumer Reports person Who’s been running your New Car Price Service for the past 20 years Rip Van Winkle He was not amused To read much of the USA TODAY Don’t Trust That Invoice Price write-up on that meeting in which Bragg was dubbed a peppery contrarian click here To understand how laughable new-car pricing is today check out the tiny percentage differences between the base invoice and retail/sticker prices for each brand: Acura/5-7 Audi/7 BMW/6 Buick/4-5 Cadillac/5 Chevy/5-7 Dodge/3-4 Ford/1-7 Genesis/5-7 GMC/5-7 Honda/3-9 Hyundai/3-7 Infiniti/7 Jeep/2-5 Kia/5-7 Lexus/5-8 Lincoln/4-5 Mazda/3-5 Mercedes/7 Mitsubishi/2-3 Nissan/2-7 Ram/4-9 Subaru/5-7 Toyota/4-9 VW/4-5 Volvo/6 And that’s if you pay the full sticker price! Who does that The guy who thinks Taco Bell is a Mexican phone company Add the fact that dealerships have an overhead expense of 12 to 15 of revenue and you’d have to be brain dead to believe the invoice price is in the same area code as any cost number The auto industry is having a good laugh at how gullible we are It’s even flipping us off now with pricing for the Chrysler Pacific Hybrid minivan: Invoice 44895 Retail 44995! Yet all the info and advice on those big auto-info websites is based on our swallowing – hook line and sinker – the preposterous notion that for decades automakers have been telling everyone what their dealers pay for their cars If that were true dealers would go ballistic But they don’t and they never did even before the Internet arrived Your responsibility as a person is to constantly update your positions on as many things as possible If you don’t contradict yourself regularly you’re not thinking – Malcolm Gladwell The inside story of the discovery of that game-changing fact is told in our book Letting The Cat Out Of The Bag: How The Auto Industry ‘Redesigned’ The Dealer invoice Price When The Internet Arrived available in paperback and Kindle format at Amazon To read the back cover copy Preface Table of Contents and the first four chapters click here If you’d like a author-signed copy 1495 including postage you can add that to your order for the Fighting Chance information package Here’s Bragg’s Take On Those Consumer Auto Pricing Sites Those sites are: a pitching the range of what other clueless shoppers have paid as the holy grail of transaction prices b using rebates which everyone gets and a comparison of their prices to the full sticker price which almost no one pays to inflate their claims of savings from using their services and c sending you on a ‘milk run’ to a small number of dealers in their networks who relish the thought of selling you a car at those prices and reward those conduit sites handsomely with the advertising and/or finder’s fees of 300 to 500 that comes out of your pocket Question: When you’re thinking about getting a new car are you sitting there saying Gee I hope I get a price that’s close to what everyone else is paying We don’t get to choose what is trueWe only get to choose what we do about it – Kami Garcia These Are The Facts About How Most Dealer Incentive Programs Work Today It’s 2018 not 1994 and that world isn’t flat anymore it’s round 90 of the bucks spent on dealer cash are in multi-month programs based on total sales targets and subjective issues like customers’ ratings of their selling dealerships NOT on sales of specific vehicles The rewards can be five to six-figure bonuses Some are stair-step promotions in which per-vehicle bonuses increase as dealers reach higher volume thresholds And no one can tell you any dealership’s target or performance level or when these programs start and end So reaching interim monthly goals along the way is crucially important There’s a lot of seasonality in the business and dealers can’t go into the last month 15 behind where they should have been based on that seasonal pattern That keeps steady sales pressure on month after month Dealers trailing their monthly targets near month-end will sell for much less and that’s likely to be different dealers each month WHAT’S IN THE FIGHTING CHANCE PACKAGE You’ll have the only independent unbiased source of truthful information and powerful negotiating advice on the Internet We’ve been focused single-mindedly on this subject since before the Dead Sea got sick and much of our knowledge has come from our customers’ feedback You’ll have us as your coaches as you go through the process Got a question Call us Want to run the numbers before you sign a lease Call us There’s no such thing as a silly question here In the package’s centerpiece How The PhoneEmail Attack Can Get You The Best Deal Saving You Time Money and Aggravation you’ll learn exactly what to do and say each step of the way as you conduct a competitive bidding process from your home or office Ideally you’ll enlist 9 or 10 dealers that you choose to make price proposals and you’ll go with the winner We also tell you the best day of each month to start the process You’ll receive our signature Big Picture analysis of how the brands and the specific vehicles you’re interested in have been doing in the market Are your model’s sales up or down Does the average dealer sell 2 per month or 22 This piece also reveals the current holdback information for brands that use it several don’t You’ll get the complete current sticker/MSRP and dealer invoice pricing data for the vehicles you’re considering covering all the trim levels and equipment packages Here’s a current list of model pricing available You’ll also get these insightful fact-based articles by Mr Bragg most of them information no other auto-info site will tell you Focus only on those relevant to your purchase or lease How We Abandoned Our Inborn Common Sense About New-Car Pricing How The Industry Has Turned The Invoice Price Into A Bloated ImposterBy Continually Raising It By More Than The MSRP For Over Two Decades How New-Car Dealers Make The Big Bucks And How They Don’t Today Incentives Often Differ From Market To Market Here’s How To Check The Offers Where You Are The Two Big ‘Fake News’ Come-ons To Ignore The Myth Of Vehicle-Specific Dealer Cash Incentives The Crucial Financial Importance Of A Dealership’s Customer Satisfaction Rating Important Note On The Pricing Of Dealer-Installed Accessories Can You Get The Vehicle Configuration You Want Things To Consider About Placing A Factory Order Have You Chosen A Crashworthy Vehicle Thoughts On Buying A Demo Or Last Year’s Leftover Model Should You Buy An Extended Warranty Dealing With A Trade-In If you tell us you have one Leasing 101: The Straight Skinny If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Here’s The Information We Need To Analyze Your ‘Best-Offer’ Lease Numbers With You If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Our unique package includes all the information you need to negotiate the best price on for any one vehicle You may place an order here on a secure encrypted order form at any time Special Message To Previous Customers The Fighting Chance package is always changing to reflect new knowledge and the best ways to deal with the changing realities in the retail car business Sometimes the changes are dramatic For example the method for getting competitive bids differs substantially from the arms-length/one-step fax or email attack process we recommended several years ago At other times the changes are small but represent worthwhile improvements The suggested wording in the note you’ll send dealers is fine-tuned often The package you’d receive today will typically include several insightful changes compared to the one you ordered years ago The Cost Of This Unique Package 4495 Includes all the information you need for any one vehicle Additional vehicles: 1500 each More than half of our customers add one or more additional vehicles as fall-back alternatives This could become a small but wise 1500 decision if you find it difficult to deal on your first choice Considering the substantial cost of the new vehicle you’re about to buy or lease isn’t this a relatively small price to pay for the comprehensive Fighting Chance information package Important Note: This is a service for NEW VEHICLES ONLY We have no information on used vehicles Also we have NO CANADIAN PRICING DATA Copyright © 2017 Fighting Chance Home 2
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In November 2012 he proved to that organization and four other auto-info biggies that the dealer invoice price has had no relationship to any vehicle’s cost since 1994 invalidating the core assumption behind their target price advice The effectiveness of that ancient invoice-based negotiating approach is dead as a doornail Embarrassed by its two-decade failure to recognize that obvious fact Consumer Reports dumped its legendary ‘cash cow’ New Car Price Service – the one they claimed would tell you the dealer’s true cost which hasn’t been true for 23 years Can there be any stronger evidence that the way to get the best price has changed forever It is almost impossible to carry the torch of truth through a crowd without singeing somebody’s beard – George Christoph Lichtenberg NEW-CAR SALES HAVE HIT A WALL AND THAT PUTS YOU IN THE DRIVER’S SEAT The pent-up demand from the recession has been satisfied 2015 was the last growth year with sales up 57 A 3 gain was forecast in 2016 but result was 03 Sales slipped 18 last year to 172 million about 300000 units behind 2016 Overall sales could drop below 17 million this year for the first time in three years January-August sales inched up just 11 but that tiny gain was based mainly on increased fleet sales to rental car companies and businesses not retail sales And over the last 5 years September sales have averaged 15 lower than August’s As a result the market is more competitive than ever with automakers spending more on incentives to move the metal In a word you’ve got more deal-making leverage than you’ve had in years Why am I the only one telling you these facts Because if the big new-car info and buying services did they’d jeopardize their entire revenue stream which comes from dealers and automakers not you For 25 years I’ve been on a mission to unearth and expose the long-hidden truths that Consumer Reports TrueCar Edmunds Carscom Kelley Blue Book and the auto industry don’t want you to know Those facts demolish all their conventional wisdom about how to buy a car and they transfer the negotiating leverage from the dealers to you Isn’t it time you stopped looking at the way to buy a new car through their rear-view mirrors PS Will you visit me when I enter the witness protection program JAMES BRAGG HOW TO ORDER THE PACKAGE AND WHEN AND HOW YOU’LL GET IT To place an order on our secure encrypted order form click on the Ordering link in the upper left column If you’d prefer to place a phone order or if you have questions that aren’t answered on our web site you may call our order desk at 1-562-433-8489 between 9:15AM and 4:00PM Pacific time Monday through Friday To see the vehicles for which we have pricing info click on the Auto Pricing link in that column Normal Delivery Timing: 99 of our customers request email delivery This is a tiny information boutique We usually send email orders by the next business day — with one exception this fall My assistant who sends the orders is a college grad school student who’s in class all day Tuesday this semester SO LATE MONDAY ORDERS AND ALL TUESDAY’S WILL USUALLY BE EMAILED TO CUSTOMERS ON WEDNESDAY We’ll be here 562-433-8489 to answer your questions and analyze your best lease offer weekdays between 9:15 AM and 4:00 PM Pacific time For a sneak peek at what you’ll get for 4495 scroll down to What’s In The Fighting Chance Package The Dealer Invoice Price Has Become a Bloated Imposter That Has Had Nothing To Do With Any New Car’s Real Cost For Twenty Three Years! And The Industry Moves It Further From Any Cost As noted above Bragg proved it to senior execs of Consumer Reports Kelley Blue Book Edmunds Carscom and TrueCar in a 11/27/12 USA TODAY Automotive Roundtable discussion of whether online car shopping and information services are believable and are relevant in today’s market To see it click here You could have heard a pin drop Incredibly no one was aware of a game-changing fact that had been in front of their noses for 17 years! It’s their worst nightmare because it exposes their pay what others paid as terrible advice Bragg asked the Consumer Reports person Who’s been running your New Car Price Service for the past 20 years Rip Van Winkle He was not amused To read much of the USA TODAY Don’t Trust That Invoice Price write-up on that meeting in which Bragg was dubbed a peppery contrarian click here To understand how laughable new-car pricing is today check out the tiny percentage differences between the base invoice and retail/sticker prices for each brand: Acura/5-7 Audi/7 BMW/6 Buick/4-5 Cadillac/5 Chevy/5-7 Dodge/3-4 Ford/1-7 Genesis/5-7 GMC/5-7 Honda/3-9 Hyundai/3-7 Infiniti/7 Jeep/2-5 Kia/5-7 Lexus/5-8 Lincoln/4-5 Mazda/3-5 Mercedes/7 Mitsubishi/2-3 Nissan/2-7 Ram/4-9 Subaru/5-7 Toyota/4-9 VW/4-5 Volvo/6 And that’s if you pay the full sticker price! Who does that The guy who thinks Taco Bell is a Mexican phone company Add the fact that dealerships have an overhead expense of 12 to 15 of revenue and you’d have to be brain dead to believe the invoice price is in the same area code as any cost number The auto industry is having a good laugh at how gullible we are It’s even flipping us off now with pricing for the Chrysler Pacific Hybrid minivan: Invoice 44895 Retail 44995! Yet all the info and advice on those big auto-info websites is based on our swallowing – hook line and sinker – the preposterous notion that for decades automakers have been telling everyone what their dealers pay for their cars If that were true dealers would go ballistic But they don’t and they never did even before the Internet arrived Your responsibility as a person is to constantly update your positions on as many things as possible If you don’t contradict yourself regularly you’re not thinking – Malcolm Gladwell The inside story of the discovery of that game-changing fact is told in our book Letting The Cat Out Of The Bag: How The Auto Industry ‘Redesigned’ The Dealer invoice Price When The Internet Arrived available in paperback and Kindle format at Amazon To read the back cover copy Preface Table of Contents and the first four chapters click here If you’d like a author-signed copy 1495 including postage you can add that to your order for the Fighting Chance information package Here’s Bragg’s Take On Those Consumer Auto Pricing Sites Those sites are: a pitching the range of what other clueless shoppers have paid as the holy grail of transaction prices b using rebates which everyone gets and a comparison of their prices to the full sticker price which almost no one pays to inflate their claims of savings from using their services and c sending you on a ‘milk run’ to a small number of dealers in their networks who relish the thought of selling you a car at those prices and reward those conduit sites handsomely with the advertising and/or finder’s fees of 300 to 500 that comes out of your pocket Question: When you’re thinking about getting a new car are you sitting there saying Gee I hope I get a price that’s close to what everyone else is paying We don’t get to choose what is trueWe only get to choose what we do about it – Kami Garcia These Are The Facts About How Most Dealer Incentive Programs Work Today It’s 2018 not 1994 and that world isn’t flat anymore it’s round 90 of the bucks spent on dealer cash are in multi-month programs based on total sales targets and subjective issues like customers’ ratings of their selling dealerships NOT on sales of specific vehicles The rewards can be five to six-figure bonuses Some are stair-step promotions in which per-vehicle bonuses increase as dealers reach higher volume thresholds And no one can tell you any dealership’s target or performance level or when these programs start and end So reaching interim monthly goals along the way is crucially important There’s a lot of seasonality in the business and dealers can’t go into the last month 15 behind where they should have been based on that seasonal pattern That keeps steady sales pressure on month after month Dealers trailing their monthly targets near month-end will sell for much less and that’s likely to be different dealers each month WHAT’S IN THE FIGHTING CHANCE PACKAGE You’ll have the only independent unbiased source of truthful information and powerful negotiating advice on the Internet We’ve been focused single-mindedly on this subject since before the Dead Sea got sick and much of our knowledge has come from our customers’ feedback You’ll have us as your coaches as you go through the process Got a question Call us Want to run the numbers before you sign a lease Call us There’s no such thing as a silly question here In the package’s centerpiece How The PhoneEmail Attack Can Get You The Best Deal Saving You Time Money and Aggravation you’ll learn exactly what to do and say each step of the way as you conduct a competitive bidding process from your home or office Ideally you’ll enlist 9 or 10 dealers that you choose to make price proposals and you’ll go with the winner We also tell you the best day of each month to start the process You’ll receive our signature Big Picture analysis of how the brands and the specific vehicles you’re interested in have been doing in the market Are your model’s sales up or down Does the average dealer sell 2 per month or 22 This piece also reveals the current holdback information for brands that use it several don’t You’ll get the complete current sticker/MSRP and dealer invoice pricing data for the vehicles you’re considering covering all the trim levels and equipment packages Here’s a current list of model pricing available You’ll also get these insightful fact-based articles by Mr Bragg most of them information no other auto-info site will tell you Focus only on those relevant to your purchase or lease How We Abandoned Our Inborn Common Sense About New-Car Pricing How The Industry Has Turned The Invoice Price Into A Bloated ImposterBy Continually Raising It By More Than The MSRP For Over Two Decades How New-Car Dealers Make The Big Bucks And How They Don’t Today Incentives Often Differ From Market To Market Here’s How To Check The Offers Where You Are The Two Big ‘Fake News’ Come-ons To Ignore The Myth Of Vehicle-Specific Dealer Cash Incentives The Crucial Financial Importance Of A Dealership’s Customer Satisfaction Rating Important Note On The Pricing Of Dealer-Installed Accessories Can You Get The Vehicle Configuration You Want Things To Consider About Placing A Factory Order Have You Chosen A Crashworthy Vehicle Thoughts On Buying A Demo Or Last Year’s Leftover Model Should You Buy An Extended Warranty Dealing With A Trade-In If you tell us you have one Leasing 101: The Straight Skinny If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Here’s The Information We Need To Analyze Your ‘Best-Offer’ Lease Numbers With You If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Our unique package includes all the information you need to negotiate the best price on for any one vehicle You may place an order here on a secure encrypted order form at any time Special Message To Previous Customers The Fighting Chance package is always changing to reflect new knowledge and the best ways to deal with the changing realities in the retail car business Sometimes the changes are dramatic For example the method for getting competitive bids differs substantially from the arms-length/one-step fax or email attack process we recommended several years ago At other times the changes are small but represent worthwhile improvements The suggested wording in the note you’ll send dealers is fine-tuned often The package you’d receive today will typically include several insightful changes compared to the one you ordered years ago The Cost Of This Unique Package 4495 Includes all the information you need for any one vehicle Additional vehicles: 1500 each More than half of our customers add one or more additional vehicles as fall-back alternatives This could become a small but wise 1500 decision if you find it difficult to deal on your first choice Considering the substantial cost of the new vehicle you’re about to buy or lease isn’t this a relatively small price to pay for the comprehensive Fighting Chance information package Important Note: This is a service 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Normal Delivery Timing: 99 of our customers request email delivery This is a tiny information boutique We usually send email orders by the next business day — with one exception this fall My assistant who sends the orders is a college grad school student who’s in class all day Tuesday this semester SO LATE MONDAY ORDERS AND ALL TUESDAY’S WILL USUALLY BE EMAILED TO CUSTOMERS ON WEDNESDAY We’ll be here 562-433-8489 to answer your questions and analyze your best lease offer weekdays between 9:15 AM and 4:00 PM Pacific time For a sneak peek at what you’ll get for 4495 scroll down to What’s In The Fighting Chance Package The Dealer Invoice Price Has Become a Bloated Imposter That Has Had Nothing To Do With Any New Car’s Real Cost For Twenty Three Years! And The Industry Moves It Further From Any Cost As noted above Bragg proved it to senior execs of Consumer Reports Kelley Blue Book Edmunds Carscom and TrueCar in a 11/27/12 USA TODAY Automotive Roundtable discussion of whether online car shopping and information services are believable and are relevant in today’s market To see it click here You could have heard a pin drop Incredibly no one was aware of a game-changing fact that had been in front of their noses for 17 years! It’s their worst nightmare because it exposes their pay what others paid as terrible advice Bragg asked the Consumer Reports person Who’s been running your New Car Price Service for the past 20 years Rip Van Winkle He was not amused To read much of the USA TODAY Don’t Trust That Invoice Price write-up on that meeting in which Bragg was dubbed a peppery contrarian click here To understand how laughable new-car pricing is today check out the tiny percentage differences between the base invoice and retail/sticker prices for each brand: Acura/5-7 Audi/7 BMW/6 Buick/4-5 Cadillac/5 Chevy/5-7 Dodge/3-4 Ford/1-7 Genesis/5-7 GMC/5-7 Honda/3-9 Hyundai/3-7 Infiniti/7 Jeep/2-5 Kia/5-7 Lexus/5-8 Lincoln/4-5 Mazda/3-5 Mercedes/7 Mitsubishi/2-3 Nissan/2-7 Ram/4-9 Subaru/5-7 Toyota/4-9 VW/4-5 Volvo/6 And that’s if you pay the full sticker price! Who does that The guy who thinks Taco Bell is a Mexican phone company Add the fact that dealerships have an overhead expense of 12 to 15 of revenue and you’d have to be brain dead to believe the invoice price is in the same area code as any cost number The auto industry is having a good laugh at how gullible we are It’s even flipping us off now with pricing for the Chrysler Pacific Hybrid minivan: Invoice 44895 Retail 44995! Yet all the info and advice on those big auto-info websites is based on our swallowing – hook line and sinker – the preposterous notion that for decades automakers have been telling everyone what their dealers pay for their cars If that were true dealers would go ballistic But they don’t and they never did even before the Internet arrived Your responsibility as a person is to constantly update your positions on as many things as possible If you don’t contradict yourself regularly you’re not thinking – Malcolm Gladwell The inside story of the discovery of that game-changing fact is told in our book Letting The Cat Out Of The Bag: How The Auto Industry ‘Redesigned’ The Dealer invoice Price When The Internet Arrived available in paperback and Kindle format at Amazon To read the back cover copy Preface Table of Contents and the first four chapters click here If you’d like a author-signed copy 1495 including postage you can add that to your order for the Fighting Chance information package Here’s Bragg’s Take On Those Consumer Auto Pricing Sites Those sites are: a pitching the range of what other clueless shoppers have paid as the holy grail of transaction prices b using rebates which everyone gets and a comparison of their prices to the full sticker price which almost no one pays to inflate their claims of savings from using their services and c sending you on a ‘milk run’ to a small number of dealers in their networks who relish the thought of selling you a car at those prices and reward those conduit sites handsomely with the advertising and/or finder’s fees of 300 to 500 that comes out of your pocket Question: When you’re thinking about getting a new car are you sitting there saying Gee I hope I get a price that’s close to what everyone else is paying We don’t get to choose what is trueWe only get to choose what we do about it – Kami Garcia These Are The Facts About How Most Dealer Incentive Programs Work Today It’s 2018 not 1994 and that world isn’t flat anymore it’s round 90 of the bucks spent on dealer cash are in multi-month programs based on total sales targets and subjective issues like customers’ ratings of their selling dealerships NOT on sales of specific vehicles The rewards can be five to six-figure bonuses Some are stair-step promotions in which per-vehicle bonuses increase as dealers reach higher volume thresholds And no one can tell you any dealership’s target or performance level or when these programs start and end So reaching interim monthly goals along the way is crucially important There’s a lot of seasonality in the business and dealers can’t go into the last month 15 behind where they should have been based on that seasonal pattern That keeps steady sales pressure on month after month Dealers trailing their monthly targets near month-end will sell for much less and that’s likely to be different dealers each month WHAT’S IN THE FIGHTING CHANCE PACKAGE You’ll have the only independent unbiased source of truthful information and powerful negotiating advice on the Internet We’ve been focused single-mindedly on this subject since before the Dead Sea got sick and much of our knowledge has come from our customers’ feedback You’ll have us as your coaches as you go through the process Got a question Call us Want to run the numbers before you sign a lease Call us There’s no such thing as a silly question here In the package’s centerpiece How The PhoneEmail Attack Can Get You The Best Deal Saving You Time Money and Aggravation you’ll learn exactly what to do and say each step of the way as you conduct a competitive bidding process from your home or office Ideally you’ll enlist 9 or 10 dealers that you choose to make price proposals and you’ll go with the winner We also tell you the best day of each month to start the process You’ll receive our signature Big Picture analysis of how the brands and the specific vehicles you’re interested in have been doing in the market Are your model’s sales up or down Does the average dealer sell 2 per month or 22 This piece also reveals the current holdback information for brands that use it several don’t You’ll get the complete current sticker/MSRP and dealer invoice pricing data for the vehicles you’re considering covering all the trim levels and equipment packages Here’s a current list of model pricing available You’ll also get these insightful fact-based articles by Mr Bragg most of them information no other auto-info site will tell you Focus only on those relevant to your purchase or lease How We Abandoned Our Inborn Common Sense About New-Car Pricing How The Industry Has Turned The Invoice Price Into A Bloated ImposterBy Continually Raising It By More Than The MSRP For Over Two Decades How New-Car Dealers Make The Big Bucks And How They Don’t Today Incentives Often Differ From Market To Market Here’s How To Check The Offers Where You Are The Two Big ‘Fake News’ Come-ons To Ignore The Myth Of Vehicle-Specific Dealer Cash Incentives The Crucial Financial Importance Of A Dealership’s Customer Satisfaction Rating Important Note On The Pricing Of Dealer-Installed Accessories Can You Get The Vehicle Configuration You Want Things To Consider About Placing A Factory Order Have You Chosen A Crashworthy Vehicle Thoughts On Buying A Demo Or Last Year’s Leftover Model Should You Buy An Extended Warranty Dealing With A Trade-In If you tell us you have one Leasing 101: The Straight Skinny If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Here’s The Information We Need To Analyze Your ‘Best-Offer’ Lease Numbers With You If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Our unique package includes all the information you need to negotiate the best price on for any one vehicle You may place an order here on a secure encrypted order form at any time Special Message To Previous Customers The Fighting Chance package is always changing to reflect new knowledge and the best ways to deal with the changing realities in the retail car business Sometimes the changes are dramatic For example the method for getting competitive bids differs substantially from the arms-length/one-step fax or email attack process we recommended several years ago At other times the changes are small but represent worthwhile improvements The suggested wording in the note you’ll send dealers is fine-tuned often The package you’d receive today will typically include several insightful changes compared to the one you ordered years ago The Cost Of This Unique Package 4495 Includes all the information you need for any one vehicle Additional vehicles: 1500 each More than half of our customers add one or more additional vehicles as fall-back alternatives This could become a small but wise 1500 decision if you find it difficult to deal on your first choice Considering the substantial cost of the new vehicle you’re about to buy or lease isn’t this a relatively small price to pay for the comprehensive Fighting Chance information package Important Note: This is a service 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To place an order on our secure encrypted order form click on the Ordering link in the upper left column If you’d prefer to place a phone order or if you have questions that aren’t answered on our web site you may call our order desk at 1-562-433-8489 between 9:15AM and 4:00PM Pacific time Monday through Friday To see the vehicles for which we have pricing info click on the Auto Pricing link in that column Normal Delivery Timing: 99 of our customers request email delivery This is a tiny information boutique We usually send email orders by the next business day — with one exception this fall My assistant who sends the orders is a college grad school student who’s in class all day Tuesday this semester SO LATE MONDAY ORDERS AND ALL TUESDAY’S WILL USUALLY BE EMAILED TO CUSTOMERS ON WEDNESDAY We’ll be here 562-433-8489 to answer your questions and analyze your best lease offer weekdays between 9:15 AM and 4:00 PM Pacific time For a sneak peek at what you’ll get for 4495 scroll down to What’s In The Fighting Chance Package The Dealer Invoice Price Has Become a Bloated Imposter That Has Had Nothing To Do With Any New Car’s Real Cost For Twenty Three Years! And The Industry Moves It Further From Any Cost As noted above Bragg proved it to senior execs of Consumer Reports Kelley Blue Book Edmunds Carscom and TrueCar in a 11/27/12 USA TODAY Automotive Roundtable discussion of whether online car shopping and information services are believable and are relevant in today’s market To see it click here You could have heard a pin drop Incredibly no one was aware of a game-changing fact that had been in front of their noses for 17 years! It’s their worst nightmare because it exposes their pay what others paid as terrible advice Bragg asked the Consumer Reports person Who’s been running your New Car Price Service for the past 20 years Rip Van Winkle He was not amused To read much of the USA TODAY Don’t Trust That Invoice Price write-up on that meeting in which Bragg was dubbed a peppery contrarian click here To understand how laughable new-car pricing is today check out the tiny percentage differences between the base invoice and retail/sticker prices for each brand: Acura/5-7 Audi/7 BMW/6 Buick/4-5 Cadillac/5 Chevy/5-7 Dodge/3-4 Ford/1-7 Genesis/5-7 GMC/5-7 Honda/3-9 Hyundai/3-7 Infiniti/7 Jeep/2-5 Kia/5-7 Lexus/5-8 Lincoln/4-5 Mazda/3-5 Mercedes/7 Mitsubishi/2-3 Nissan/2-7 Ram/4-9 Subaru/5-7 Toyota/4-9 VW/4-5 Volvo/6 And that’s if you pay the full sticker price! Who does that The guy who thinks Taco Bell is a Mexican phone company Add the fact that dealerships have an overhead expense of 12 to 15 of revenue and you’d have to be brain dead to believe the invoice price is in the same area code as any cost number The auto industry is having a good laugh at how gullible we are It’s even flipping us off now with pricing for the Chrysler Pacific Hybrid minivan: Invoice 44895 Retail 44995! Yet all the info and advice on those big auto-info websites is based on our swallowing – hook line and sinker – the preposterous notion that for decades automakers have been telling everyone what their dealers pay for their cars If that were true dealers would go ballistic But they don’t and they never did even before the Internet arrived Your responsibility as a person is to constantly update your positions on as many things as possible If you don’t contradict yourself regularly you’re not thinking – Malcolm Gladwell The inside story of the discovery of that game-changing fact is told in our book Letting The Cat Out Of The Bag: How The Auto Industry ‘Redesigned’ The Dealer invoice Price When The Internet Arrived available in paperback and Kindle format at Amazon To read the back cover copy Preface Table of Contents and the first four chapters click here If you’d like a author-signed copy 1495 including postage you can add that to your order for the Fighting Chance information package Here’s Bragg’s Take On Those Consumer Auto Pricing Sites Those sites are: a pitching the range of what other clueless shoppers have paid as the holy grail of transaction prices b using rebates which everyone gets and a comparison of their prices to the full sticker price which almost no one pays to inflate their claims of savings from using their services and c sending you on a ‘milk run’ to a small number of dealers in their networks who relish the thought of selling you a car at those prices and reward those conduit sites handsomely with the advertising and/or finder’s fees of 300 to 500 that comes out of your pocket Question: When you’re thinking about getting a new car are you sitting there saying Gee I hope I get a price that’s close to what everyone else is paying We don’t get to choose what is trueWe only get to choose what we do about it – Kami Garcia These Are The Facts About How Most Dealer Incentive Programs Work Today It’s 2018 not 1994 and that world isn’t flat anymore it’s round 90 of the bucks spent on dealer cash are in multi-month programs based on total sales targets and subjective issues like customers’ ratings of their selling dealerships NOT on sales of specific vehicles The rewards can be five to six-figure bonuses Some are stair-step promotions in which per-vehicle bonuses increase as dealers reach higher volume thresholds And no one can tell you any dealership’s target or performance level or when these programs start and end So reaching interim monthly goals along the way is crucially important There’s a lot of seasonality in the business and dealers can’t go into the last month 15 behind where they should have been based on that seasonal pattern That keeps steady sales pressure on month after month Dealers trailing their monthly targets near month-end will sell for much less and that’s likely to be different dealers each month WHAT’S IN THE FIGHTING CHANCE PACKAGE You’ll have the only independent unbiased source of truthful information and powerful negotiating advice on the Internet We’ve been focused single-mindedly on this subject since before the Dead Sea got sick and much of our knowledge has come from our customers’ feedback You’ll have us as your coaches as you go through the process Got a question Call us Want to run the numbers before you sign a lease Call us There’s no such thing as a silly question here In the package’s centerpiece How The PhoneEmail Attack Can Get You The Best Deal Saving You Time Money and Aggravation you’ll learn exactly what to do and say each step of the way as you conduct a competitive bidding process from your home or office Ideally you’ll enlist 9 or 10 dealers that you choose to make price proposals and you’ll go with the winner We also tell you the best day of each month to start the process You’ll receive our signature Big Picture analysis of how the brands and the specific vehicles you’re interested in have been doing in the market Are your model’s sales up or down Does the average dealer sell 2 per month or 22 This piece also reveals the current holdback information for brands that use it several don’t You’ll get the complete current sticker/MSRP and dealer invoice pricing data for the vehicles you’re considering covering all the trim levels and equipment packages Here’s a current list of model pricing available You’ll also get these insightful fact-based articles by Mr Bragg most of them information no other auto-info site will tell you Focus only on those relevant to your purchase or lease How We Abandoned Our Inborn Common Sense About New-Car Pricing How The Industry Has Turned The Invoice Price Into A Bloated ImposterBy Continually Raising It By More Than The MSRP For Over Two Decades How New-Car Dealers Make The Big Bucks And How They Don’t Today Incentives Often Differ From Market To Market Here’s How To Check The Offers Where You Are The Two Big ‘Fake News’ Come-ons To Ignore The Myth Of Vehicle-Specific Dealer Cash Incentives The Crucial Financial Importance Of A Dealership’s Customer Satisfaction Rating Important Note On The Pricing Of Dealer-Installed Accessories Can You Get The Vehicle Configuration You Want Things To Consider About Placing A Factory Order Have You Chosen A Crashworthy Vehicle Thoughts On Buying A Demo Or Last Year’s Leftover Model Should You Buy An Extended Warranty Dealing With A Trade-In If you tell us you have one Leasing 101: The Straight Skinny If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Here’s The Information We Need To Analyze Your ‘Best-Offer’ Lease Numbers With You If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Our unique package includes all the information you need to negotiate the best price on for any one vehicle You may place an order here on a secure encrypted order form at any time Special Message To Previous Customers The Fighting Chance package is always changing to reflect new knowledge and the best ways to deal with the changing realities in the retail car business Sometimes the 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To understand how laughable new-car pricing is today check out the tiny percentage differences between the base invoice and retail/sticker prices for each brand: Acura/5-7 Audi/7 BMW/6 Buick/4-5 Cadillac/5 Chevy/5-7 Dodge/3-4 Ford/1-7 Genesis/5-7 GMC/5-7 Honda/3-9 Hyundai/3-7 Infiniti/7 Jeep/2-5 Kia/5-7 Lexus/5-8 Lincoln/4-5 Mazda/3-5 Mercedes/7 Mitsubishi/2-3 Nissan/2-7 Ram/4-9 Subaru/5-7 Toyota/4-9 VW/4-5 Volvo/6 And that’s if you pay the full sticker price! Who does that The guy who thinks Taco Bell is a Mexican phone company Add the fact that dealerships have an overhead expense of 12 to 15 of revenue and you’d have to be brain dead to believe the invoice price is in the same area code as any cost number The auto industry is having a good laugh at how gullible we are It’s even flipping us off now with pricing for the Chrysler Pacific Hybrid minivan: Invoice 44895 Retail 44995! Yet all the info and advice on those big auto-info websites is based on our swallowing – hook line and sinker – the preposterous notion that for decades automakers have been telling everyone what their dealers pay for their cars If that were true dealers would go ballistic But they don’t and they never did even before the Internet arrived Your responsibility as a person is to constantly update your positions on as many things as possible If you don’t contradict yourself regularly you’re not thinking – Malcolm Gladwell The inside story of the discovery of that game-changing fact is told in our book Letting The Cat Out Of The Bag: How The Auto Industry ‘Redesigned’ The Dealer invoice Price When The Internet Arrived available in paperback and Kindle format at Amazon To read the back cover copy Preface Table of Contents and the first four chapters click here If you’d like a author-signed copy 1495 including postage you can add that to your order for the Fighting Chance information package Here’s Bragg’s Take On Those Consumer Auto Pricing Sites Those sites are: a pitching the range of what other clueless shoppers have paid as the holy grail of transaction prices b using rebates which everyone gets and a comparison of their prices to the full sticker price which almost no one pays to inflate their claims of savings from using their services and c sending you on a ‘milk run’ to a small number of dealers in their networks who relish the thought of selling you a car at those prices and reward those conduit sites handsomely with the advertising and/or finder’s fees of 300 to 500 that comes out of your pocket Question: When you’re thinking about getting a new car are you sitting there saying Gee I hope I get a price that’s close to what everyone else is paying We don’t get to choose what is trueWe only get to choose what we do about it – Kami Garcia These Are The Facts About How Most Dealer Incentive Programs Work Today It’s 2018 not 1994 and that world isn’t flat anymore it’s round 90 of the bucks spent on dealer cash are in multi-month programs based on total sales targets and subjective issues like customers’ ratings of their selling dealerships NOT on sales of specific vehicles The rewards can be five to six-figure bonuses Some are stair-step promotions in which per-vehicle bonuses increase as dealers reach higher volume thresholds And no one can tell you any dealership’s target or performance level or when these programs start and end So reaching interim monthly goals along the way is crucially important There’s a lot of seasonality in the business and dealers can’t go into the last month 15 behind where they should have been based on that seasonal pattern That keeps steady sales pressure on month after month Dealers trailing their monthly targets near month-end will sell for much less and that’s likely to be different dealers each month WHAT’S IN THE FIGHTING CHANCE PACKAGE You’ll have the only independent unbiased source of truthful information and powerful negotiating advice on the Internet We’ve been focused single-mindedly on this subject since before the Dead Sea got sick and much of our knowledge has come from our customers’ feedback You’ll have us as your coaches as you go through the process Got a question Call us Want to run the numbers before you sign a lease Call us There’s no such thing as a silly question here In the package’s centerpiece How The PhoneEmail Attack Can Get You The Best Deal Saving You Time Money and Aggravation you’ll learn exactly what to do and say each step of the way as you conduct a competitive bidding process from your home or office Ideally you’ll enlist 9 or 10 dealers that you choose to make price proposals and you’ll go with the winner We also tell you the best day of each month to start the process You’ll receive our signature Big Picture analysis of how the brands and the specific vehicles you’re interested in have been doing in the market Are your model’s sales up or down Does the average dealer sell 2 per month or 22 This piece also reveals the current holdback information for brands that use it several don’t You’ll get the complete current sticker/MSRP and dealer invoice pricing data for the vehicles you’re considering covering all the trim levels and equipment packages Here’s a current list of model pricing available You’ll also get these insightful fact-based articles by Mr Bragg most of them information no other auto-info site will tell you Focus only on those relevant to your purchase or lease How We Abandoned Our Inborn Common Sense About New-Car Pricing How The Industry Has Turned The Invoice Price Into A Bloated ImposterBy Continually Raising It By More Than The MSRP For Over Two Decades How New-Car Dealers Make The Big Bucks And How They Don’t Today Incentives Often Differ From Market To Market Here’s How To Check The Offers Where You Are The Two Big ‘Fake News’ Come-ons To Ignore The Myth Of Vehicle-Specific Dealer Cash Incentives The Crucial Financial Importance Of A Dealership’s Customer Satisfaction Rating Important Note On The Pricing Of Dealer-Installed Accessories Can You Get The Vehicle Configuration You Want Things To Consider About Placing A Factory Order Have You Chosen A Crashworthy Vehicle Thoughts On Buying A Demo Or Last Year’s Leftover Model Should You Buy An Extended Warranty Dealing With A Trade-In If you tell us you have one Leasing 101: The Straight Skinny If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Here’s The Information We Need To Analyze Your ‘Best-Offer’ Lease Numbers With You If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Our unique package includes all the information you need to negotiate the best price on for any one vehicle You may place an order here on a secure encrypted order form at any time Special Message To Previous Customers The Fighting Chance package is always changing to reflect new knowledge and the best ways to deal with the changing realities in the retail car business Sometimes the changes are dramatic For example the method for getting competitive bids differs substantially from the arms-length/one-step fax or email attack process we recommended several years ago At other times the changes are small but represent worthwhile improvements The suggested wording in the note you’ll send dealers is fine-tuned often The package you’d receive today will typically include several insightful changes compared to the one you ordered years ago The Cost Of This Unique Package 4495 Includes all the information you need for any one vehicle Additional vehicles: 1500 each More than half of our customers add one or more additional vehicles as fall-back alternatives This could become a small but wise 1500 decision if you find it difficult to deal on your first choice Considering the substantial cost of the new vehicle you’re about to buy or lease isn’t this a relatively small price to pay for the comprehensive Fighting Chance information package Important Note: This is a service 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As noted above Bragg proved it to senior execs of Consumer Reports Kelley Blue Book Edmunds Carscom and TrueCar in a 11/27/12 USA TODAY Automotive Roundtable discussion of whether online car shopping and information services are believable and are relevant in today’s market To see it click here You could have heard a pin drop Incredibly no one was aware of a game-changing fact that had been in front of their noses for 17 years! It’s their worst nightmare because it exposes their pay what others paid as terrible advice Bragg asked the Consumer Reports person Who’s been running your New Car Price Service for the past 20 years Rip Van Winkle He was not amused To read much of the USA TODAY Don’t Trust That Invoice Price write-up on that meeting in which Bragg was dubbed a peppery contrarian click here To understand how laughable new-car pricing is today check out the tiny percentage differences between the base invoice and retail/sticker prices for each brand: Acura/5-7 Audi/7 BMW/6 Buick/4-5 Cadillac/5 Chevy/5-7 Dodge/3-4 Ford/1-7 Genesis/5-7 GMC/5-7 Honda/3-9 Hyundai/3-7 Infiniti/7 Jeep/2-5 Kia/5-7 Lexus/5-8 Lincoln/4-5 Mazda/3-5 Mercedes/7 Mitsubishi/2-3 Nissan/2-7 Ram/4-9 Subaru/5-7 Toyota/4-9 VW/4-5 Volvo/6 And that’s if you pay the full sticker price! Who does that The guy who thinks Taco Bell is a Mexican phone company Add the fact that dealerships have an overhead expense of 12 to 15 of revenue and you’d have to be brain dead to believe the invoice price is in the same area code as any cost number The auto industry is having a good laugh at how gullible we are It’s even flipping us off now with pricing for the Chrysler Pacific Hybrid minivan: Invoice 44895 Retail 44995! Yet all the info and advice on those big auto-info websites is based on our swallowing – hook line and sinker – the preposterous notion that for decades automakers have been telling everyone what their dealers pay for their cars If that were true dealers would go ballistic But they don’t and they never did even before the Internet arrived Your responsibility as a person is to constantly update your positions on as many things as possible If you don’t contradict yourself regularly you’re not thinking – Malcolm Gladwell The inside story of the discovery of that game-changing fact is told in our book Letting The Cat Out Of The Bag: How The Auto Industry ‘Redesigned’ The Dealer invoice Price When The Internet Arrived available in paperback and Kindle format at Amazon To read the back cover copy Preface Table of Contents and the first four chapters click here If you’d like a author-signed copy 1495 including postage you can add that to your order for the Fighting Chance information package Here’s Bragg’s Take On Those Consumer Auto Pricing Sites Those sites are: a pitching the range of what other clueless shoppers have paid as the holy grail of transaction prices b using rebates which everyone gets and a comparison of their prices to the full sticker price which almost no one pays to inflate their claims of savings from using their services and c sending you on a ‘milk run’ to a small number of dealers in their networks who relish the thought of selling you a car at those prices and reward those conduit sites handsomely with the advertising and/or finder’s fees of 300 to 500 that comes out of your pocket Question: When you’re thinking about getting a new car are you sitting there saying Gee I hope I get a price that’s close to what everyone else is paying We don’t get to choose what is trueWe only get to choose what we do about it – Kami Garcia These Are The Facts About How Most Dealer Incentive Programs Work Today It’s 2018 not 1994 and that world isn’t flat anymore it’s round 90 of the bucks spent on dealer cash are in multi-month programs based on total sales targets and subjective issues like customers’ ratings of their selling dealerships NOT on sales of specific vehicles The rewards can be five to six-figure bonuses Some are stair-step promotions in which per-vehicle bonuses increase as dealers reach higher volume thresholds And no one can tell you any dealership’s target or performance level or when these programs start and end So reaching interim monthly goals along the way is crucially important There’s a lot of seasonality in the business and dealers can’t go into the last month 15 behind where they should have been based on that seasonal pattern That keeps steady sales pressure on month after month Dealers trailing their monthly targets near month-end will sell for much less and that’s likely to be different dealers each month WHAT’S IN THE FIGHTING CHANCE PACKAGE You’ll have the only independent unbiased source of truthful information and powerful negotiating advice on the Internet We’ve been focused single-mindedly on this subject since before the Dead Sea got sick and much of our knowledge has come from our customers’ feedback You’ll have us as your coaches as you go through the process Got a question Call us Want to run the numbers before you sign a lease Call us There’s no such thing as a silly question here In the package’s centerpiece How The PhoneEmail Attack Can Get You The Best Deal Saving You Time Money and Aggravation you’ll learn exactly what to do and say each step of the way as you conduct a competitive bidding process from your home or office Ideally you’ll enlist 9 or 10 dealers that you choose to make price proposals and you’ll go with the winner We also tell you the best day of each month to start the process You’ll receive our signature Big Picture analysis of how the brands and the specific vehicles you’re interested in have been doing in the market Are your model’s sales up or down Does the average dealer sell 2 per month or 22 This piece also reveals the current holdback information for brands that use it several don’t You’ll get the complete current sticker/MSRP and dealer invoice pricing data for the vehicles you’re considering covering all the trim levels and equipment packages Here’s a current list of model pricing available You’ll also get these insightful fact-based articles by Mr Bragg most of them information no other auto-info site will tell you Focus only on those relevant to your purchase or lease How We Abandoned Our Inborn Common Sense About New-Car Pricing How The Industry Has Turned The Invoice Price Into A Bloated ImposterBy Continually Raising It By More Than The MSRP For Over Two Decades How New-Car Dealers Make The Big Bucks And How They Don’t Today Incentives Often Differ From Market To Market Here’s How To Check The Offers Where You Are The Two Big ‘Fake News’ Come-ons To Ignore The Myth Of Vehicle-Specific Dealer Cash Incentives The Crucial Financial Importance Of A Dealership’s Customer Satisfaction Rating Important Note On The Pricing Of Dealer-Installed Accessories Can You Get The Vehicle Configuration You Want Things To Consider About Placing A Factory Order Have You Chosen A Crashworthy Vehicle Thoughts On Buying A Demo Or Last Year’s Leftover Model Should You Buy An Extended Warranty Dealing With A Trade-In If you tell us you have one Leasing 101: The Straight Skinny If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Here’s The Information We Need To Analyze Your ‘Best-Offer’ Lease Numbers With You If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Our unique package includes all the information you need to negotiate the best price on for any one vehicle You may place an order here on a secure encrypted order form at any time Special Message To Previous Customers The Fighting Chance package is always changing to reflect new knowledge and the best ways to deal with the changing realities in the retail car business Sometimes the changes are dramatic For example the method for getting competitive bids differs substantially from the arms-length/one-step fax or email attack process we recommended several years ago At other times the changes are small but represent worthwhile improvements The suggested wording in the note you’ll send dealers is fine-tuned often The package you’d receive today will typically include several insightful changes compared to the one you ordered years ago The Cost Of This Unique Package 4495 Includes all the information you need for any one vehicle Additional vehicles: 1500 each More than half of our customers add one or more additional vehicles as fall-back alternatives This could become a small but wise 1500 decision if you find it difficult to deal on your first choice Considering the substantial cost of the new vehicle you’re about to buy or lease isn’t this a relatively small price to pay for the comprehensive Fighting Chance information package Important Note: This is a service 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You Need The Whole Truth About The New-Car Business And This Is The Only Website Where You’ll Find It WARNING! Because I’m opening your eyes to the truth they’ve all been hiding our facts and action recommendations contradict EVERYTHING you’re being told and encouraged to do by TrueCar Edmunds Kelley Blue Book Carscom Consumer Reports and the other big new-car info sites which get all their revenue from the automakers and dealers they send you to For openers no dealer wants you to understand this: Every new car is a commodity the same vehicle with the same price structure at every dealership In the art of the deal the winner is always the one with the leverage And there’s ZERO LEVERAGE in walking into a car store and haggling You’re playing an away game and no one there is rooting for your team That dealer’s competitor isn’t the other brands it’s the other dealers who sell his brand And the winning leverage always comes from having several of them compete for your business Here’s an example: A customer got 9 dealers to compete for a redesigned 2017 Honda CR-V without leaving his home or office and paid 1090 below invoice The eight other bids were 900 below 510 below 410 below 180 below and 300 over invoice 460 over 530 over and 930 over – a 2020 spread from low to high! The winning Sales Manager said This is the only smart way to buy a car But if everyone did it this way we’d be out of business And that store may have been the next month’s high bidder depending on how it was doing then vs its target Question: What should we have told him was a good price for that car Any number we mentioned would have been bone stupid And that’s true for any car you want Either you repeat the same conventional doctrines everybody is saying or else you say something true and it will sound like it’s from Neptune – Noam Chomsky Why aren’t those auto-info old-boy clubs Kelley Blue Book Edmunds TrueCar carscom Consumer Reports etc telling you this Because they pocket referral fees of 300 to 500 when you buy a car from dealers in their networks – money which comes from your pocket They’re in business to help dealers sell cars profitably not to help you get the lowest price If they told you the truth they’d be out of business tomorrow Our customers almost always beat their prices frequently by a lot That’s why over half of our orders come from previous customers and their referrals No Auto-Info Site Can Serve Two Masters He Serves Just One: You The New-Car Buyer Founder James Bragg a Yale and Harvard Business School graduate is a career-long change agent who has always challenged conventional wisdom With 25 years and over 65000 hours focused solely on this subject he’s the country’s most knowledgeable new-car buyers’ consumer advocate And unlike every old-boy club source of new-car info and advice including Consumer Reports he’s never taken a dime from dealers or automakers As a result he’s become the sole source of the long-hidden truth about the dealer invoice price dealer cash incentives and the only smart way to buy a new car in today’s market His Discovery That The Invoice Price Has Nothing To Do WithAny Dealer Cost Shocked Consumer Reports Into Killing ItsNew Car Price Service a major cash cow Since 1983! In November 2012 he proved to that organization and four other auto-info biggies that the dealer invoice price has had no relationship to any vehicle’s cost since 1994 invalidating the core assumption behind their target price advice The effectiveness of that ancient invoice-based negotiating approach is dead as a doornail Embarrassed by its two-decade failure to recognize that obvious fact Consumer Reports dumped its legendary ‘cash cow’ New Car Price Service – the one they claimed would tell you the dealer’s true cost which hasn’t been true for 23 years Can there be any stronger evidence that the way to get the best price has changed forever It is almost impossible to carry the torch of truth through a crowd without singeing somebody’s beard – George Christoph Lichtenberg NEW-CAR SALES HAVE HIT A WALL AND THAT PUTS YOU IN THE DRIVER’S SEAT The pent-up demand from the recession has been satisfied 2015 was the last growth year with sales up 57 A 3 gain was forecast in 2016 but result was 03 Sales slipped 18 last year to 172 million about 300000 units behind 2016 Overall sales could drop below 17 million this year for the first time in three years January-August sales inched up just 11 but that tiny gain was based mainly on increased fleet sales to rental car companies and businesses not retail sales And over the last 5 years September sales have averaged 15 lower than August’s As a result the market is more competitive than ever with automakers spending more on incentives to move the metal In a word you’ve got more deal-making leverage than you’ve had in years Why am I the only one telling you these facts Because if the big new-car info and buying services did they’d jeopardize their entire revenue stream which comes from dealers and automakers not you For 25 years I’ve been on a mission to unearth and expose the long-hidden truths that Consumer Reports TrueCar Edmunds Carscom Kelley Blue Book and the auto industry don’t want you to know Those facts demolish all their conventional wisdom about how to buy a car and they transfer the negotiating leverage from the dealers to you Isn’t it time you stopped looking at the way to buy a new car through their rear-view mirrors PS Will you visit me when I enter the witness protection program JAMES BRAGG HOW TO ORDER THE PACKAGE AND WHEN AND HOW YOU’LL GET IT To place an order on our secure encrypted order form click on the Ordering link in the upper left column If you’d prefer to place a phone order or if you have questions that aren’t answered on our web site you may call our order desk at 1-562-433-8489 between 9:15AM and 4:00PM Pacific time Monday through Friday To see the vehicles for which we have pricing info click on the Auto Pricing link in that column Normal Delivery Timing: 99 of our customers request email delivery This is a tiny information boutique We usually send email orders by the next business day — with one exception this fall My assistant who sends the orders is a college grad school student who’s in class all day Tuesday this semester SO LATE MONDAY ORDERS AND ALL TUESDAY’S WILL USUALLY BE EMAILED TO CUSTOMERS ON WEDNESDAY We’ll be here 562-433-8489 to answer your questions and analyze your best lease offer weekdays between 9:15 AM and 4:00 PM Pacific time For a sneak peek at what you’ll get for 4495 scroll down to What’s In The Fighting Chance Package The Dealer Invoice Price Has Become a Bloated Imposter That Has Had Nothing To Do With Any New Car’s Real Cost For Twenty Three Years! And The Industry Moves It Further From Any Cost As noted above Bragg proved it to senior execs of Consumer Reports Kelley Blue Book Edmunds Carscom and TrueCar in a 11/27/12 USA TODAY Automotive Roundtable discussion of whether online car shopping and information services are believable and are relevant in today’s market To see it click here You could have heard a pin drop Incredibly no one was aware of a game-changing fact that had been in front of their noses for 17 years! It’s their worst nightmare because it exposes their pay what others paid as terrible advice Bragg asked the Consumer Reports person Who’s been running your New Car Price Service for the past 20 years Rip Van Winkle He was not amused To read much of the USA TODAY Don’t Trust That Invoice Price write-up on that meeting in which Bragg was dubbed a peppery contrarian click here To understand how laughable new-car pricing is today check out the tiny percentage differences between the base invoice and retail/sticker prices for each brand: Acura/5-7 Audi/7 BMW/6 Buick/4-5 Cadillac/5 Chevy/5-7 Dodge/3-4 Ford/1-7 Genesis/5-7 GMC/5-7 Honda/3-9 Hyundai/3-7 Infiniti/7 Jeep/2-5 Kia/5-7 Lexus/5-8 Lincoln/4-5 Mazda/3-5 Mercedes/7 Mitsubishi/2-3 Nissan/2-7 Ram/4-9 Subaru/5-7 Toyota/4-9 VW/4-5 Volvo/6 And that’s if you pay the full sticker price! Who does that The guy who thinks Taco Bell is a Mexican phone company Add the fact that dealerships have an overhead expense of 12 to 15 of revenue and you’d have to be brain dead to believe the invoice price is in the same area code as any cost number The auto industry is having a good laugh at how gullible we are It’s even flipping us off now with pricing for the Chrysler Pacific Hybrid minivan: Invoice 44895 Retail 44995! Yet all the info and advice on those big auto-info websites is based on our swallowing – hook line and sinker – the preposterous notion that for decades automakers have been telling everyone what their dealers pay for their cars If that were true dealers would go ballistic But they don’t and they never did even before the Internet arrived Your responsibility as a person is to constantly update your positions on as many things as possible If you don’t contradict yourself regularly you’re not thinking – Malcolm Gladwell The inside story of the discovery of that game-changing fact is told in our book Letting The Cat Out Of The Bag: How The Auto Industry ‘Redesigned’ The Dealer invoice Price When The Internet Arrived available in paperback and Kindle format at Amazon To read the back cover copy Preface Table of Contents and the first four chapters click here If you’d like a author-signed copy 1495 including postage you can add that to your order for the Fighting Chance information package Here’s Bragg’s Take On Those Consumer Auto Pricing Sites Those sites are: a pitching the range of what other clueless shoppers have paid as the holy grail of transaction prices b using rebates which everyone gets and a comparison of their prices to the full sticker price which almost no one pays to inflate their claims of savings from using their services and c sending you on a ‘milk run’ to a small number of dealers in their networks who relish the thought of selling you a car at those prices and reward those conduit sites handsomely with the advertising and/or finder’s fees of 300 to 500 that comes out of your pocket Question: When you’re thinking about getting a new car are you sitting there saying Gee I hope I get a price that’s close to what everyone else is paying We don’t get to choose what is trueWe only get to choose what we do about it – Kami Garcia These Are The Facts About How Most Dealer Incentive Programs Work Today It’s 2018 not 1994 and that world isn’t flat anymore it’s round 90 of the bucks spent on dealer cash are in multi-month programs based on total sales targets and subjective issues like customers’ ratings of their selling dealerships NOT on sales of specific vehicles The rewards can be five to six-figure bonuses Some are stair-step promotions in which per-vehicle bonuses increase as dealers reach higher volume thresholds And no one can tell you any dealership’s target or performance level or when these programs start and end So reaching interim monthly goals along the way is crucially important There’s a lot of seasonality in the business and dealers can’t go into the last month 15 behind where they should have been based on that seasonal pattern That keeps steady sales pressure on month after month Dealers trailing their monthly targets near month-end will sell for much less and that’s likely to be different dealers each month WHAT’S IN THE FIGHTING CHANCE PACKAGE You’ll have the only independent unbiased source of truthful information and powerful negotiating advice on the Internet We’ve been focused single-mindedly on this subject since before the Dead Sea got sick and much of our knowledge has come from our customers’ feedback You’ll have us as your coaches as you go through the process Got a question Call us Want to run the numbers before you sign a lease Call us There’s no such thing as a silly question here In the package’s centerpiece How The PhoneEmail Attack Can Get You The Best Deal Saving You Time Money and Aggravation you’ll learn exactly what to do and say each step of the way as you conduct a competitive bidding process from your home or office Ideally you’ll enlist 9 or 10 dealers that you choose to make price proposals and you’ll go with the winner We also tell you the best day of each month to start the process You’ll receive our signature Big Picture analysis of how the brands and the specific vehicles you’re interested in have been doing in the market Are your model’s sales up or down Does the average dealer sell 2 per month or 22 This piece also reveals the current holdback information for brands that use it several don’t You’ll get the complete current sticker/MSRP and dealer invoice pricing data for the vehicles you’re considering covering all the trim levels and equipment packages Here’s a current list of model pricing available You’ll also get these insightful fact-based articles by Mr Bragg most of them information no other auto-info site will tell you Focus only on those relevant to your purchase or lease How We Abandoned Our Inborn Common Sense About New-Car Pricing How The Industry Has Turned The Invoice Price Into A Bloated ImposterBy Continually Raising It By More Than The MSRP For Over Two Decades How New-Car Dealers Make The Big Bucks And How They Don’t Today Incentives Often Differ From Market To Market Here’s How To Check The Offers Where You Are The Two Big ‘Fake News’ Come-ons To Ignore The Myth Of Vehicle-Specific Dealer Cash Incentives The Crucial Financial Importance Of A Dealership’s Customer Satisfaction Rating Important Note On The Pricing Of Dealer-Installed Accessories Can You Get The Vehicle Configuration You Want Things To Consider About Placing A Factory Order Have You Chosen A Crashworthy Vehicle Thoughts On Buying A Demo Or Last Year’s Leftover Model Should You Buy An Extended Warranty Dealing With A Trade-In If you tell us you have one Leasing 101: The Straight Skinny If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Here’s The Information We Need To Analyze Your ‘Best-Offer’ Lease Numbers With You If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Our unique package includes all the information you need to negotiate the best price on for any one vehicle You may place an order here on a secure encrypted order form at any time Special Message To Previous Customers The Fighting Chance package is always changing to reflect new knowledge and the best ways to deal with the changing realities in the retail car business Sometimes the changes are dramatic For example the method for getting competitive bids differs substantially from the arms-length/one-step fax or email attack process we recommended several years ago At other times the changes are small but represent worthwhile improvements The suggested wording in the note you’ll send dealers is fine-tuned often The package you’d receive today will typically include several insightful changes compared to the one you ordered years ago The Cost Of This Unique Package 4495 Includes all the information you need for any one vehicle Additional vehicles: 1500 each More than half of our customers add one or more additional vehicles as fall-back alternatives This could become a small but wise 1500 decision if you find it difficult to deal on your first choice Considering the substantial cost of the new vehicle you’re about to buy or lease isn’t this a relatively small price to pay for the comprehensive Fighting Chance information package Important Note: This is a service for NEW VEHICLES ONLY We have no information on used vehicles Also we have NO CANADIAN PRICING DATA Copyright © 2017 Fighting Chance Home 1
Question: What should we have told him was a good price for that car Any number we mentioned would have been bone stupid And that’s true for any car you want Either you repeat the same conventional doctrines everybody is saying or else you say something true and it will sound like it’s from Neptune – Noam Chomsky Why aren’t those auto-info old-boy clubs Kelley Blue Book Edmunds TrueCar carscom Consumer Reports etc telling you this Because they pocket referral fees of 300 to 500 when you buy a car from dealers in their networks – money which comes from your pocket They’re in business to help dealers sell cars profitably not to help you get the lowest price If they told you the truth they’d be out of business tomorrow Our customers almost always beat their prices frequently by a lot That’s why over half of our orders come from previous customers and their referrals No Auto-Info Site Can Serve Two Masters He Serves Just One: You The New-Car Buyer Founder James Bragg a Yale and Harvard Business School graduate is a career-long change agent who has always challenged conventional wisdom With 25 years and over 65000 hours focused solely on this subject he’s the country’s most knowledgeable new-car buyers’ consumer advocate And unlike every old-boy club source of new-car info and advice including Consumer Reports he’s never taken a dime from dealers or automakers As a result he’s become the sole source of the long-hidden truth about the dealer invoice price dealer cash incentives and the only smart way to buy a new car in today’s market His Discovery That The Invoice Price Has Nothing To Do WithAny Dealer Cost Shocked Consumer Reports Into Killing ItsNew Car Price Service a major cash cow Since 1983! In November 2012 he proved to that organization and four other auto-info biggies that the dealer invoice price has had no relationship to any vehicle’s cost since 1994 invalidating the core assumption behind their target price advice The effectiveness of that ancient invoice-based negotiating approach is dead as a doornail Embarrassed by its two-decade failure to recognize that obvious fact Consumer Reports dumped its legendary ‘cash cow’ New Car Price Service – the one they claimed would tell you the dealer’s true cost which hasn’t been true for 23 years Can there be any stronger evidence that the way to get the best price has changed forever It is almost impossible to carry the torch of truth through a crowd without singeing somebody’s beard – George Christoph Lichtenberg NEW-CAR SALES HAVE HIT A WALL AND THAT PUTS YOU IN THE DRIVER’S SEAT The pent-up demand from the recession has been satisfied 2015 was the last growth year with sales up 57 A 3 gain was forecast in 2016 but result was 03 Sales slipped 18 last year to 172 million about 300000 units behind 2016 Overall sales could drop below 17 million this year for the first time in three years January-August sales inched up just 11 but that tiny gain was based mainly on increased fleet sales to rental car companies and businesses not retail sales And over the last 5 years September sales have averaged 15 lower than August’s As a result the market is more competitive than ever with automakers spending more on incentives to move the metal In a word you’ve got more deal-making leverage than you’ve had in years Why am I the only one telling you these facts Because if the big new-car info and buying services did they’d jeopardize their entire revenue stream which comes from dealers and automakers not you For 25 years I’ve been on a mission to unearth and expose the long-hidden truths that Consumer Reports TrueCar Edmunds Carscom Kelley Blue Book and the auto industry don’t want you to know Those facts demolish all their conventional wisdom about how to buy a car and they transfer the negotiating leverage from the dealers to you Isn’t it time you stopped looking at the way to buy a new car through their rear-view mirrors PS Will you visit me when I enter the witness protection program JAMES BRAGG HOW TO ORDER THE PACKAGE AND WHEN AND HOW YOU’LL GET IT To place an order on our secure encrypted order form click on the Ordering link in the upper left column If you’d prefer to place a phone order or if you have questions that aren’t answered on our web site you may call our order desk at 1-562-433-8489 between 9:15AM and 4:00PM Pacific time Monday through Friday To see the vehicles for which we have pricing info click on the Auto Pricing link in that column Normal Delivery Timing: 99 of our customers request email delivery This is a tiny information boutique We usually send email orders by the next business day — with one exception this fall My assistant who sends the orders is a college grad school student who’s in class all day Tuesday this semester SO LATE MONDAY ORDERS AND ALL TUESDAY’S WILL USUALLY BE EMAILED TO CUSTOMERS ON WEDNESDAY We’ll be here 562-433-8489 to answer your questions and analyze your best lease offer weekdays between 9:15 AM and 4:00 PM Pacific time For a sneak peek at what you’ll get for 4495 scroll down to What’s In The Fighting Chance Package The Dealer Invoice Price Has Become a Bloated Imposter That Has Had Nothing To Do With Any New Car’s Real Cost For Twenty Three Years! And The Industry Moves It Further From Any Cost As noted above Bragg proved it to senior execs of Consumer Reports Kelley Blue Book Edmunds Carscom and TrueCar in a 11/27/12 USA TODAY Automotive Roundtable discussion of whether online car shopping and information services are believable and are relevant in today’s market To see it click here You could have heard a pin drop Incredibly no one was aware of a game-changing fact that had been in front of their noses for 17 years! It’s their worst nightmare because it exposes their pay what others paid as terrible advice Bragg asked the Consumer Reports person Who’s been running your New Car Price Service for the past 20 years Rip Van Winkle He was not amused To read much of the USA TODAY Don’t Trust That Invoice Price write-up on that meeting in which Bragg was dubbed a peppery contrarian click here To understand how laughable new-car pricing is today check out the tiny percentage differences between the base invoice and retail/sticker prices for each brand: Acura/5-7 Audi/7 BMW/6 Buick/4-5 Cadillac/5 Chevy/5-7 Dodge/3-4 Ford/1-7 Genesis/5-7 GMC/5-7 Honda/3-9 Hyundai/3-7 Infiniti/7 Jeep/2-5 Kia/5-7 Lexus/5-8 Lincoln/4-5 Mazda/3-5 Mercedes/7 Mitsubishi/2-3 Nissan/2-7 Ram/4-9 Subaru/5-7 Toyota/4-9 VW/4-5 Volvo/6 And that’s if you pay the full sticker price! Who does that The guy who thinks Taco Bell is a Mexican phone company Add the fact that dealerships have an overhead expense of 12 to 15 of revenue and you’d have to be brain dead to believe the invoice price is in the same area code as any cost number The auto industry is having a good laugh at how gullible we are It’s even flipping us off now with pricing for the Chrysler Pacific Hybrid minivan: Invoice 44895 Retail 44995! Yet all the info and advice on those big auto-info websites is based on our swallowing – hook line and sinker – the preposterous notion that for decades automakers have been telling everyone what their dealers pay for their cars If that were true dealers would go ballistic But they don’t and they never did even before the Internet arrived Your responsibility as a person is to constantly update your positions on as many things as possible If you don’t contradict yourself regularly you’re not thinking – Malcolm Gladwell The inside story of the discovery of that game-changing fact is told in our book Letting The Cat Out Of The Bag: How The Auto Industry ‘Redesigned’ The Dealer invoice Price When The Internet Arrived available in paperback and Kindle format at Amazon To read the back cover copy Preface Table of Contents and the first four chapters click here If you’d like a author-signed copy 1495 including postage you can add that to your order for the Fighting Chance information package Here’s Bragg’s Take On Those Consumer Auto Pricing Sites Those sites are: a pitching the range of what other clueless shoppers have paid as the holy grail of transaction prices b using rebates which everyone gets and a comparison of their prices to the full sticker price which almost no one pays to inflate their claims of savings from using their services and c sending you on a ‘milk run’ to a small number of dealers in their networks who relish the thought of selling you a car at those prices and reward those conduit sites handsomely with the advertising and/or finder’s fees of 300 to 500 that comes out of your pocket Question: When you’re thinking about getting a new car are you sitting there saying Gee I hope I get a price that’s close to what everyone else is paying We don’t get to choose what is trueWe only get to choose what we do about it – Kami Garcia These Are The Facts About How Most Dealer Incentive Programs Work Today It’s 2018 not 1994 and that world isn’t flat anymore it’s round 90 of the bucks spent on dealer cash are in multi-month programs based on total sales targets and subjective issues like customers’ ratings of their selling dealerships NOT on sales of specific vehicles The rewards can be five to six-figure bonuses Some are stair-step promotions in which per-vehicle bonuses increase as dealers reach higher volume thresholds And no one can tell you any dealership’s target or performance level or when these programs start and end So reaching interim monthly goals along the way is crucially important There’s a lot of seasonality in the business and dealers can’t go into the last month 15 behind where they should have been based on that seasonal pattern That keeps steady sales pressure on month after month Dealers trailing their monthly targets near month-end will sell for much less and that’s likely to be different dealers each month WHAT’S IN THE FIGHTING CHANCE PACKAGE You’ll have the only independent unbiased source of truthful information and powerful negotiating advice on the Internet We’ve been focused single-mindedly on this subject since before the Dead Sea got sick and much of our knowledge has come from our customers’ feedback You’ll have us as your coaches as you go through the process Got a question Call us Want to run the numbers before you sign a lease Call us There’s no such thing as a silly question here In the package’s centerpiece How The PhoneEmail Attack Can Get You The Best Deal Saving You Time Money and Aggravation you’ll learn exactly what to do and say each step of the way as you conduct a competitive bidding process from your home or office Ideally you’ll enlist 9 or 10 dealers that you choose to make price proposals and you’ll go with the winner We also tell you the best day of each month to start the process You’ll receive our signature Big Picture analysis of how the brands and the specific vehicles you’re interested in have been doing in the market Are your model’s sales up or down Does the average dealer sell 2 per month or 22 This piece also reveals the current holdback information for brands that use it several don’t You’ll get the complete current sticker/MSRP and dealer invoice pricing data for the vehicles you’re considering covering all the trim levels and equipment packages Here’s a current list of model pricing available You’ll also get these insightful fact-based articles by Mr Bragg most of them information no other auto-info site will tell you Focus only on those relevant to your purchase or lease How We Abandoned Our Inborn Common Sense About New-Car Pricing How The Industry Has Turned The Invoice Price Into A Bloated ImposterBy Continually Raising It By More Than The MSRP For Over Two Decades How New-Car Dealers Make The Big Bucks And How They Don’t Today Incentives Often Differ From Market To Market Here’s How To Check The Offers Where You Are The Two Big ‘Fake News’ Come-ons To Ignore The Myth Of Vehicle-Specific Dealer Cash Incentives The Crucial Financial Importance Of A Dealership’s Customer Satisfaction Rating Important Note On The Pricing Of Dealer-Installed Accessories Can You Get The Vehicle Configuration You Want Things To Consider About Placing A Factory Order Have You Chosen A Crashworthy Vehicle Thoughts On Buying A Demo Or Last Year’s Leftover Model Should You Buy An Extended Warranty Dealing With A Trade-In If you tell us you have one Leasing 101: The Straight Skinny If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Here’s The Information We Need To Analyze Your ‘Best-Offer’ Lease Numbers With You If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Our unique package includes all the information you need to negotiate the best price on for any one vehicle You may place an order here on a secure encrypted order form at any time Special Message To Previous Customers The Fighting Chance package is always changing to reflect new knowledge and the best ways to deal with the changing realities in the retail car business Sometimes the changes are dramatic For example the method for getting competitive bids differs substantially from the arms-length/one-step fax or email attack process we recommended several years ago At other times the changes are small but represent worthwhile improvements The suggested wording in the note you’ll send dealers is fine-tuned often The package you’d receive today will typically include several insightful changes compared to the one you ordered years ago The Cost Of This Unique Package 4495 Includes all the information you need for any one vehicle Additional vehicles: 1500 each More than half of our customers add one or more additional vehicles as fall-back alternatives This could become a small but wise 1500 decision if you find it difficult to deal on your first choice Considering the substantial cost of the new vehicle you’re about to buy or lease isn’t this a relatively small price to pay for the comprehensive Fighting Chance information package Important Note: This is a service 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WARNING! Because I’m opening your eyes to the truth they’ve all been hiding our facts and action recommendations contradict EVERYTHING you’re being told and encouraged to do by TrueCar Edmunds Kelley Blue Book Carscom Consumer Reports and the other big new-car info sites which get all their revenue from the automakers and dealers they send you to For openers no dealer wants you to understand this: Every new car is a commodity the same vehicle with the same price structure at every dealership In the art of the deal the winner is always the one with the leverage And there’s ZERO LEVERAGE in walking into a car store and haggling You’re playing an away game and no one there is rooting for your team That dealer’s competitor isn’t the other brands it’s the other dealers who sell his brand And the winning leverage always comes from having several of them compete for your business Here’s an example: A customer got 9 dealers to compete for a redesigned 2017 Honda CR-V without leaving his home or office and paid 1090 below invoice The eight other bids were 900 below 510 below 410 below 180 below and 300 over invoice 460 over 530 over and 930 over – a 2020 spread from low to high! The winning Sales Manager said This is the only smart way to buy a car But if everyone did it this way we’d be out of business And that store may have been the next month’s high bidder depending on how it was doing then vs its target Question: What should we have told him was a good price for that car Any number we mentioned would have been bone stupid And that’s true for any car you want Either you repeat the same conventional doctrines everybody is saying or else you say something true and it will sound like it’s from Neptune – Noam Chomsky Why aren’t those auto-info old-boy clubs Kelley Blue Book Edmunds TrueCar carscom Consumer Reports etc telling you this Because they pocket referral fees of 300 to 500 when you buy a car from dealers in their networks – money which comes from your pocket They’re in business to help dealers sell cars profitably not to help you get the lowest price If they told you the truth they’d be out of business tomorrow Our customers almost always beat their prices frequently by a lot That’s why over half of our orders come from previous customers and their referrals No Auto-Info Site Can Serve Two Masters He Serves Just One: You The New-Car Buyer Founder James Bragg a Yale and Harvard Business School graduate is a career-long change agent who has always challenged conventional wisdom With 25 years and over 65000 hours focused solely on this subject he’s the country’s most knowledgeable new-car buyers’ consumer advocate And unlike every old-boy club source of new-car info and advice including Consumer Reports he’s never taken a dime from dealers or automakers As a result he’s become the sole source of the long-hidden truth about the dealer invoice price dealer cash incentives and the only smart way to buy a new car in today’s market His Discovery That The Invoice Price Has Nothing To Do WithAny Dealer Cost Shocked Consumer Reports Into Killing ItsNew Car Price Service a major cash cow Since 1983! In November 2012 he proved to that organization and four other auto-info biggies that the dealer invoice price has had no relationship to any vehicle’s cost since 1994 invalidating the core assumption behind their target price advice The effectiveness of that ancient invoice-based negotiating approach is dead as a doornail Embarrassed by its two-decade failure to recognize that obvious fact Consumer Reports dumped its legendary ‘cash cow’ New Car Price Service – the one they claimed would tell you the dealer’s true cost which hasn’t been true for 23 years Can there be any stronger evidence that the way to get the best price has changed forever It is almost impossible to carry the torch of truth through a crowd without singeing somebody’s beard – George Christoph Lichtenberg NEW-CAR SALES HAVE HIT A WALL AND THAT PUTS YOU IN THE DRIVER’S SEAT The pent-up demand from the recession has been satisfied 2015 was the last growth year with sales up 57 A 3 gain was forecast in 2016 but result was 03 Sales slipped 18 last year to 172 million about 300000 units behind 2016 Overall sales could drop below 17 million this year for the first time in three years January-August sales inched up just 11 but that tiny gain was based mainly on increased fleet sales to rental car companies and businesses not retail sales And over the last 5 years September sales have averaged 15 lower than August’s As a result the market is more competitive than ever with automakers spending more on incentives to move the metal In a word you’ve got more deal-making leverage than you’ve had in years Why am I the only one telling you these facts Because if the big new-car info and buying services did they’d jeopardize their entire revenue stream which comes from dealers and automakers not you For 25 years I’ve been on a mission to unearth and expose the long-hidden truths that Consumer Reports TrueCar Edmunds Carscom Kelley Blue Book and the auto industry don’t want you to know Those facts demolish all their conventional wisdom about how to buy a car and they transfer the negotiating leverage from the dealers to you Isn’t it time you stopped looking at the way to buy a new car through their rear-view mirrors PS Will you visit me when I enter the witness protection program JAMES BRAGG HOW TO ORDER THE PACKAGE AND WHEN AND HOW YOU’LL GET IT To place an order on our secure encrypted order form click on the Ordering link in the upper left column If you’d prefer to place a phone order or if you have questions that aren’t answered on our web site you may call our order desk at 1-562-433-8489 between 9:15AM and 4:00PM Pacific time Monday through Friday To see the vehicles for which we have pricing info click on the Auto Pricing link in that column Normal Delivery Timing: 99 of our customers request email delivery This is a tiny information boutique We usually send email orders by the next business day — with one exception this fall My assistant who sends the orders is a college grad school student who’s in class all day Tuesday this semester SO LATE MONDAY ORDERS AND ALL TUESDAY’S WILL USUALLY BE EMAILED TO CUSTOMERS ON WEDNESDAY We’ll be here 562-433-8489 to answer your questions and analyze your best lease offer weekdays between 9:15 AM and 4:00 PM Pacific time For a sneak peek at what you’ll get for 4495 scroll down to What’s In The Fighting Chance Package The Dealer Invoice Price Has Become a Bloated Imposter That Has Had Nothing To Do With Any New Car’s Real Cost For Twenty Three Years! And The Industry Moves It Further From Any Cost As noted above Bragg proved it to senior execs of Consumer Reports Kelley Blue Book Edmunds Carscom and TrueCar in a 11/27/12 USA TODAY Automotive Roundtable discussion of whether online car shopping and information services are believable and are relevant in today’s market To see it click here You could have heard a pin drop Incredibly no one was aware of a game-changing fact that had been in front of their noses for 17 years! It’s their worst nightmare because it exposes their pay what others paid as terrible advice Bragg asked the Consumer Reports person Who’s been running your New Car Price Service for the past 20 years Rip Van Winkle He was not amused To read much of the USA TODAY Don’t Trust That Invoice Price write-up on that meeting in which Bragg was dubbed a peppery contrarian click here To understand how laughable new-car pricing is today check out the tiny percentage differences between the base invoice and retail/sticker prices for each brand: Acura/5-7 Audi/7 BMW/6 Buick/4-5 Cadillac/5 Chevy/5-7 Dodge/3-4 Ford/1-7 Genesis/5-7 GMC/5-7 Honda/3-9 Hyundai/3-7 Infiniti/7 Jeep/2-5 Kia/5-7 Lexus/5-8 Lincoln/4-5 Mazda/3-5 Mercedes/7 Mitsubishi/2-3 Nissan/2-7 Ram/4-9 Subaru/5-7 Toyota/4-9 VW/4-5 Volvo/6 And that’s if you pay the full sticker price! Who does that The guy who thinks Taco Bell is a Mexican phone company Add the fact that dealerships have an overhead expense of 12 to 15 of revenue and you’d have to be brain dead to believe the invoice price is in the same area code as any cost number The auto industry is having a good laugh at how gullible we are It’s even flipping us off now with pricing for the Chrysler Pacific Hybrid minivan: Invoice 44895 Retail 44995! Yet all the info and advice on those big auto-info websites is based on our swallowing – hook line and sinker – the preposterous notion that for decades automakers have been telling everyone what their dealers pay for their cars If that were true dealers would go ballistic But they don’t and they never did even before the Internet arrived Your responsibility as a person is to constantly update your positions on as many things as possible If you don’t contradict yourself regularly you’re not thinking – Malcolm Gladwell The inside story of the discovery of that game-changing fact is told in our book Letting The Cat Out Of The Bag: How The Auto Industry ‘Redesigned’ The Dealer invoice Price When The Internet Arrived available in paperback and Kindle format at Amazon To read the back cover copy Preface Table of Contents and the first four chapters click here If you’d like a author-signed copy 1495 including postage you can add that to your order for the Fighting Chance information package Here’s Bragg’s Take On Those Consumer Auto Pricing Sites Those sites are: a pitching the range of what other clueless shoppers have paid as the holy grail of transaction prices b using rebates which everyone gets and a comparison of their prices to the full sticker price which almost no one pays to inflate their claims of savings from using their services and c sending you on a ‘milk run’ to a small number of dealers in their networks who relish the thought of selling you a car at those prices and reward those conduit sites handsomely with the advertising and/or finder’s fees of 300 to 500 that comes out of your pocket Question: When you’re thinking about getting a new car are you sitting there saying Gee I hope I get a price that’s close to what everyone else is paying We don’t get to choose what is trueWe only get to choose what we do about it – Kami Garcia These Are The Facts About How Most Dealer Incentive Programs Work Today It’s 2018 not 1994 and that world isn’t flat anymore it’s round 90 of the bucks spent on dealer cash are in multi-month programs based on total sales targets and subjective issues like customers’ ratings of their selling dealerships NOT on sales of specific vehicles The rewards can be five to six-figure bonuses Some are stair-step promotions in which per-vehicle bonuses increase as dealers reach higher volume thresholds And no one can tell you any dealership’s target or performance level or when these programs start and end So reaching interim monthly goals along the way is crucially important There’s a lot of seasonality in the business and dealers can’t go into the last month 15 behind where they should have been based on that seasonal pattern That keeps steady sales pressure on month after month Dealers trailing their monthly targets near month-end will sell for much less and that’s likely to be different dealers each month WHAT’S IN THE FIGHTING CHANCE PACKAGE You’ll have the only independent unbiased source of truthful information and powerful negotiating advice on the Internet We’ve been focused single-mindedly on this subject since before the Dead Sea got sick and much of our knowledge has come from our customers’ feedback You’ll have us as your coaches as you go through the process Got a question Call us Want to run the numbers before you sign a lease Call us There’s no such thing as a silly question here In the package’s centerpiece How The PhoneEmail Attack Can Get You The Best Deal Saving You Time Money and Aggravation you’ll learn exactly what to do and say each step of the way as you conduct a competitive bidding process from your home or office Ideally you’ll enlist 9 or 10 dealers that you choose to make price proposals and you’ll go with the winner We also tell you the best day of each month to start the process You’ll receive our signature Big Picture analysis of how the brands and the specific vehicles you’re interested in have been doing in the market Are your model’s sales up or down Does the average dealer sell 2 per month or 22 This piece also reveals the current holdback information for brands that use it several don’t You’ll get the complete current sticker/MSRP and dealer invoice pricing data for the vehicles you’re considering covering all the trim levels and equipment packages Here’s a current list of model pricing available You’ll also get these insightful fact-based articles by Mr Bragg most of them information no other auto-info site will tell you Focus only on those relevant to your purchase or lease How We Abandoned Our Inborn Common Sense About New-Car Pricing How The Industry Has Turned The Invoice Price Into A Bloated ImposterBy Continually Raising It By More Than The MSRP For Over Two Decades How New-Car Dealers Make The Big Bucks And How They Don’t Today Incentives Often Differ From Market To Market Here’s How To Check The Offers Where You Are The Two Big ‘Fake News’ Come-ons To Ignore The Myth Of Vehicle-Specific Dealer Cash Incentives The Crucial Financial Importance Of A Dealership’s Customer Satisfaction Rating Important Note On The Pricing Of Dealer-Installed Accessories Can You Get The Vehicle Configuration You Want Things To Consider About Placing A Factory Order Have You Chosen A Crashworthy Vehicle Thoughts On Buying A Demo Or Last Year’s Leftover Model Should You Buy An Extended Warranty Dealing With A Trade-In If you tell us you have one Leasing 101: The Straight Skinny If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Here’s The Information We Need To Analyze Your ‘Best-Offer’ Lease Numbers With You If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Our unique package includes all the information you need to negotiate the best price on for any one vehicle You may place an order here on a secure encrypted order form at any time Special Message To Previous Customers The Fighting Chance package is always changing to reflect new knowledge and the best ways to deal with the changing realities in the retail car business Sometimes the changes are dramatic For example the method for getting competitive bids differs substantially from the arms-length/one-step fax or email attack process we recommended several years ago At other times the changes are small but represent worthwhile improvements The suggested wording in the note you’ll send dealers is fine-tuned often The package you’d receive today will typically include several insightful changes compared to the one you ordered years ago The Cost Of This Unique Package 4495 Includes all the information you need for any one vehicle Additional vehicles: 1500 each More than half of our customers add one or more additional vehicles as fall-back alternatives This could become a small but wise 1500 decision if you find it difficult to deal on your first choice Considering the substantial cost of the new vehicle you’re about to buy or lease isn’t this a relatively small price to pay for the comprehensive Fighting Chance information package Important Note: This is a service 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I was the only candidate James Bragg As a result: over 145000 new-car shoppers have used the Fighting Chance 3-step competitive bidding process to get the lowest price possible without walking into a single car store to haggle! With this empowering guide to buying or leasing a new car you’ll be in total control conducting the process from your home or office among several dealers that you choose The guide teaches you exactly what to say and do and when to do it And unlike every other new-car info site we’ll be here to answer your questions by phone every step of the way eg If you’re leasing we’ll go through the best-offer numbers with you before you sign the papers You Need The Whole Truth About The New-Car Business And This Is The Only Website Where You’ll Find It WARNING! Because I’m opening your eyes to the truth they’ve all been hiding our facts and action recommendations contradict EVERYTHING you’re being told and encouraged to do by TrueCar Edmunds Kelley Blue Book Carscom Consumer Reports and the other big new-car info sites which get all their revenue from the automakers and dealers they send you to For openers no dealer wants you to understand this: Every new car is a commodity the same vehicle with the same price structure at every dealership In the art of the deal the winner is always the one with the leverage And there’s ZERO LEVERAGE in walking into a car store and haggling You’re playing an away game and no one there is rooting for your team That dealer’s competitor isn’t the other brands it’s the other dealers who sell his brand And the winning leverage always comes from having several of them compete for your business Here’s an example: A customer got 9 dealers to compete for a redesigned 2017 Honda CR-V without leaving his home or office and paid 1090 below invoice The eight other bids were 900 below 510 below 410 below 180 below and 300 over invoice 460 over 530 over and 930 over – a 2020 spread from low to high! The winning Sales Manager said This is the only smart way to buy a car But if everyone did it this way we’d be out of business And that store may have been the next month’s high bidder depending on how it was doing then vs its target Question: What should we have told him was a good price for that car Any number we mentioned would have been bone stupid And that’s true for any car you want Either you repeat the same conventional doctrines everybody is saying or else you say something true and it will sound like it’s from Neptune – Noam Chomsky Why aren’t those auto-info old-boy clubs Kelley Blue Book Edmunds TrueCar carscom Consumer Reports etc telling you this Because they pocket referral fees of 300 to 500 when you buy a car from dealers in their networks – money which comes from your pocket They’re in business to help dealers sell cars profitably not to help you get the lowest price If they told you the truth they’d be out of business tomorrow Our customers almost always beat their prices frequently by a lot That’s why over half of our orders come from previous customers and their referrals No Auto-Info Site Can Serve Two Masters He Serves Just One: You The New-Car Buyer Founder James Bragg a Yale and Harvard Business School graduate is a career-long change agent who has always challenged conventional wisdom With 25 years and over 65000 hours focused solely on this subject he’s the country’s most knowledgeable new-car buyers’ consumer advocate And unlike every old-boy club source of new-car info and advice including Consumer Reports he’s never taken a dime from dealers or automakers As a result he’s become the sole source of the long-hidden truth about the dealer invoice price dealer cash incentives and the only smart way to buy a new car in today’s market His Discovery That The Invoice Price Has Nothing To Do WithAny Dealer Cost Shocked Consumer Reports Into Killing ItsNew Car Price Service a major cash cow Since 1983! In November 2012 he proved to that organization and four other auto-info biggies that the dealer invoice price has had no relationship to any vehicle’s cost since 1994 invalidating the core assumption behind their target price advice The effectiveness of that ancient invoice-based negotiating approach is dead as a doornail Embarrassed by its two-decade failure to recognize that obvious fact Consumer Reports dumped its legendary ‘cash cow’ New Car Price Service – the one they claimed would tell you the dealer’s true cost which hasn’t been true for 23 years Can there be any stronger evidence that the way to get the best price has changed forever It is almost impossible to carry the torch of truth through a crowd without singeing somebody’s beard – George Christoph Lichtenberg NEW-CAR SALES HAVE HIT A WALL AND THAT PUTS YOU IN THE DRIVER’S SEAT The pent-up demand from the recession has been satisfied 2015 was the last growth year with sales up 57 A 3 gain was forecast in 2016 but result was 03 Sales slipped 18 last year to 172 million about 300000 units behind 2016 Overall sales could drop below 17 million this year for the first time in three years January-August sales inched up just 11 but that tiny gain was based mainly on increased fleet sales to rental car companies and businesses not retail sales And over the last 5 years September sales have averaged 15 lower than August’s As a result the market is more competitive than ever with automakers spending more on incentives to move the metal In a word you’ve got more deal-making leverage than you’ve had in years Why am I the only one telling you these facts Because if the big new-car info and buying services did they’d jeopardize their entire revenue stream which comes from dealers and automakers not you For 25 years I’ve been on a mission to unearth and expose the long-hidden truths that Consumer Reports TrueCar Edmunds Carscom Kelley Blue Book and the auto industry don’t want you to know Those facts demolish all their conventional wisdom about how to buy a car and they transfer the negotiating leverage from the dealers to you Isn’t it time you stopped looking at the way to buy a new car through their rear-view mirrors PS Will you visit me when I enter the witness protection program JAMES BRAGG HOW TO ORDER THE PACKAGE AND WHEN AND HOW YOU’LL GET IT To place an order on our secure encrypted order form click on the Ordering link in the upper left column If you’d prefer to place a phone order or if you have questions that aren’t answered on our web site you may call our order desk at 1-562-433-8489 between 9:15AM and 4:00PM Pacific time Monday through Friday To see the vehicles for which we have pricing info click on the Auto Pricing link in that column Normal Delivery Timing: 99 of our customers request email delivery This is a tiny information boutique We usually send email orders by the next business day — with one exception this fall My assistant who sends the orders is a college grad school student who’s in class all day Tuesday this semester SO LATE MONDAY ORDERS AND ALL TUESDAY’S WILL USUALLY BE EMAILED TO CUSTOMERS ON WEDNESDAY We’ll be here 562-433-8489 to answer your questions and analyze your best lease offer weekdays between 9:15 AM and 4:00 PM Pacific time For a sneak peek at what you’ll get for 4495 scroll down to What’s In The Fighting Chance Package The Dealer Invoice Price Has Become a Bloated Imposter That Has Had Nothing To Do With Any New Car’s Real Cost For Twenty Three Years! And The Industry Moves It Further From Any Cost As noted above Bragg proved it to senior execs of Consumer Reports Kelley Blue Book Edmunds Carscom and TrueCar in a 11/27/12 USA TODAY Automotive Roundtable discussion of whether online car shopping and information services are believable and are relevant in today’s market To see it click here You could have heard a pin drop Incredibly no one was aware of a game-changing fact that had been in front of their noses for 17 years! It’s their worst nightmare because it exposes their pay what others paid as terrible advice Bragg asked the Consumer Reports person Who’s been running your New Car Price Service for the past 20 years Rip Van Winkle He was not amused To read much of the USA TODAY Don’t Trust That Invoice Price write-up on that meeting in which Bragg was dubbed a peppery contrarian click here To understand how laughable new-car pricing is today check out the tiny percentage differences between the base invoice and retail/sticker prices for each brand: Acura/5-7 Audi/7 BMW/6 Buick/4-5 Cadillac/5 Chevy/5-7 Dodge/3-4 Ford/1-7 Genesis/5-7 GMC/5-7 Honda/3-9 Hyundai/3-7 Infiniti/7 Jeep/2-5 Kia/5-7 Lexus/5-8 Lincoln/4-5 Mazda/3-5 Mercedes/7 Mitsubishi/2-3 Nissan/2-7 Ram/4-9 Subaru/5-7 Toyota/4-9 VW/4-5 Volvo/6 And that’s if you pay the full sticker price! Who does that The guy who thinks Taco Bell is a Mexican phone company Add the fact that dealerships have an overhead expense of 12 to 15 of revenue and you’d have to be brain dead to believe the invoice price is in the same area code as any cost number The auto industry is having a good laugh at how gullible we are It’s even flipping us off now with pricing for the Chrysler Pacific Hybrid minivan: Invoice 44895 Retail 44995! Yet all the info and advice on those big auto-info websites is based on our swallowing – hook line and sinker – the preposterous notion that for decades automakers have been telling everyone what their dealers pay for their cars If that were true dealers would go ballistic But they don’t and they never did even before the Internet arrived Your responsibility as a person is to constantly update your positions on as many things as possible If you don’t contradict yourself regularly you’re not thinking – Malcolm Gladwell The inside story of the discovery of that game-changing fact is told in our book Letting The Cat Out Of The Bag: How The Auto Industry ‘Redesigned’ The Dealer invoice Price When The Internet Arrived available in paperback and Kindle format at Amazon To read the back cover copy Preface Table of Contents and the first four chapters click here If you’d like a author-signed copy 1495 including postage you can add that to your order for the Fighting Chance information package Here’s Bragg’s Take On Those Consumer Auto Pricing Sites Those sites are: a pitching the range of what other clueless shoppers have paid as the holy grail of transaction prices b using rebates which everyone gets and a comparison of their prices to the full sticker price which almost no one pays to inflate their claims of savings from using their services and c sending you on a ‘milk run’ to a small number of dealers in their networks who relish the thought of selling you a car at those prices and reward those conduit sites handsomely with the advertising and/or finder’s fees of 300 to 500 that comes out of your pocket Question: When you’re thinking about getting a new car are you sitting there saying Gee I hope I get a price that’s close to what everyone else is paying We don’t get to choose what is trueWe only get to choose what we do about it – Kami Garcia These Are The Facts About How Most Dealer Incentive Programs Work Today It’s 2018 not 1994 and that world isn’t flat anymore it’s round 90 of the bucks spent on dealer cash are in multi-month programs based on total sales targets and subjective issues like customers’ ratings of their selling dealerships NOT on sales of specific vehicles The rewards can be five to six-figure bonuses Some are stair-step promotions in which per-vehicle bonuses increase as dealers reach higher volume thresholds And no one can tell you any dealership’s target or performance level or when these programs start and end So reaching interim monthly goals along the way is crucially important There’s a lot of seasonality in the business and dealers can’t go into the last month 15 behind where they should have been based on that seasonal pattern That keeps steady sales pressure on month after month Dealers trailing their monthly targets near month-end will sell for much less and that’s likely to be different dealers each month WHAT’S IN THE FIGHTING CHANCE PACKAGE You’ll have the only independent unbiased source of truthful information and powerful negotiating advice on the Internet We’ve been focused single-mindedly on this subject since before the Dead Sea got sick and much of our knowledge has come from our customers’ feedback You’ll have us as your coaches as you go through the process Got a question Call us Want to run the numbers before you sign a lease Call us There’s no such thing as a silly question here In the package’s centerpiece How The PhoneEmail Attack Can Get You The Best Deal Saving You Time Money and Aggravation you’ll learn exactly what to do and say each step of the way as you conduct a competitive bidding process from your home or office Ideally you’ll enlist 9 or 10 dealers that you choose to make price proposals and you’ll go with the winner We also tell you the best day of each month to start the process You’ll receive our signature Big Picture analysis of how the brands and the specific vehicles you’re interested in have been doing in the market Are your model’s sales up or down Does the average dealer sell 2 per month or 22 This piece also reveals the current holdback information for brands that use it several don’t You’ll get the complete current sticker/MSRP and dealer invoice pricing data for the vehicles you’re considering covering all the trim levels and equipment packages Here’s a current list of model pricing available You’ll also get these insightful fact-based articles by Mr Bragg most of them information no other auto-info site will tell you Focus only on those relevant to your purchase or lease How We Abandoned Our Inborn Common Sense About New-Car Pricing How The Industry Has Turned The Invoice Price Into A Bloated ImposterBy Continually Raising It By More Than The MSRP For Over Two Decades How New-Car Dealers Make The Big Bucks And How They Don’t Today Incentives Often Differ From Market To Market Here’s How To Check The Offers Where You Are The Two Big ‘Fake News’ Come-ons To Ignore The Myth Of Vehicle-Specific Dealer Cash Incentives The Crucial Financial Importance Of A Dealership’s Customer Satisfaction Rating Important Note On The Pricing Of Dealer-Installed Accessories Can You Get The Vehicle Configuration You Want Things To Consider About Placing A Factory Order Have You Chosen A Crashworthy Vehicle Thoughts On Buying A Demo Or Last Year’s Leftover Model Should You Buy An Extended Warranty Dealing With A Trade-In If you tell us you have one Leasing 101: The Straight Skinny If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Here’s The Information We Need To Analyze Your ‘Best-Offer’ Lease Numbers With You If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Our unique package includes all the information you need to negotiate the best price on for any one vehicle You may place an order here on a secure encrypted order form at any time Special Message To Previous Customers The Fighting Chance package is always changing to reflect new knowledge and the best ways to deal with the changing realities in the retail car business Sometimes the changes are dramatic For example the method for getting competitive bids differs substantially from the arms-length/one-step fax or email attack process we recommended several years ago At other times the changes are small but represent worthwhile improvements The suggested wording in the note you’ll send dealers is fine-tuned often The package you’d receive today will typically include several insightful changes compared to the one you ordered years ago The Cost Of This Unique Package 4495 Includes all the information you need for any one vehicle Additional vehicles: 1500 each More than half of our customers add one or more additional vehicles as fall-back alternatives This could become a small but wise 1500 decision if you find it difficult to deal on your first choice Considering the substantial cost of the new vehicle you’re about to buy or lease isn’t this a relatively small price to pay for the comprehensive Fighting Chance information package Important Note: This is a service for NEW VEHICLES ONLY We have no information on used vehicles Also we have NO CANADIAN PRICING DATA Copyright © 2017 Fighting Chance Home 1
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21st April 2010 New Sceneries for free download – Ruffey Lake The PRE-Flight Ruffey Lake Sceneries re-create the real location in Melbourne Australia It is a collection of 4 scenes which allow the user a choice of take-off points depending on the model the user wishes to fly and also how busy the Lake will be The scenes feature PRE-Flight’s version 6 level of advanced graphics: Fully reactive liquid Lake surface which has ripples and can simulate waves generated by the models taxiing landing or flying low over the surface These waves in turn can affect nearby floating objects PhotoVolume objects like trees bushes etc are collision enabled Models can fly around these objects as in the real location An RC Tugboat is present in some of the scenes to make water flying and navigation more interesting Buoys which can be affected by waves mark the boundaries of where it is safe to land Please note that this requires PRE-Flight Version 6 or higher Owners of full versions of PRE-Flight ver 270 or higher click here for your free update to the latest version 615 See this web page to download the free Sceneries See this web page to download the free PRE-Flight RC Simulator Demo Next: Otter Amphibious Plane Soon: Amphibious Helicopter and more Models and Sceneries If you don’t like to wait or don’t want to bother with complex installs update CDs for all Editions of PRE-Flight are available for the cost of a small copying fee and postage – see this link If you would like email notifications of PRE-Flight announcements please join the PRE-Flight Google Group Membership is free and announcements are PRE-Flight specific only Your email addresses are spam-protected 16th April 2010 PRE-Flight USB now Available Again The PRE-Flight USB is now again available once more Our apologies for running out of stock due to the unexpected huge demand Please see this link to Order If you would like email notifications of PRE-Flight announcements please join the PRE-Flight Google Group Membership is free and announcements are PRE-Flight specific only Your email addresses are spam-protected 24th March 2010 PRE-Flight Version 6 Patch Owners of full versions of PRE-Flight ver 270 or higher click here for your free update to the latest version 615 Click here for full details of the new PRE-Flight version 6 This patch will enable many graphical features like advanced reflections and shadows To take advantage of all of the new features of PRE-Flight the new generation Sceneries and Models will also have to be installed Due to the large size over 100MB and complexity in installation these new elements will be made available through free downloads over a period of several weeks If you don’t like to wait or don’t want to bother with complex installs update CDs for all Editions of PRE-Flight are available for the cost of a small copying fee and postage – see this link If you would like email notifications of PRE-Flight announcements please join the PRE-Flight Google Group Membership is free and announcements are PRE-Flight specific only Your email addresses are spam-protected 19th March 2010 Announcing PRE-Flight Version 6 Version 6 is a huge graphical improvement over the previous version which puts PRE-Flight on top with the best graphics ever on an RC Simulator! 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New Smoke Effects Exciting Zoom and Transmitter Views Plus Much More Click here for full details Don’t take our word for it download the free Demo here and see for yourself Then when you’re convinced that PRE-Flight is the prettiest simulator you’ve ever seen get your full version here 18th October 2009 Announcing the PRE-Flight Control Wizard Version 5 Transcendental Technologies is pleased to announce PRE-Flight Version 5 – which includes the powerful PRE-Flight Control Wizard PRE-Flight’s latest version now includes the powerful Control Wizard which can simulate a full-function RC Transmitter Save money by using an inexpensive 4-channel transmitter and have the Wizard convert it to an 8-channel full-function computer TX worth hundreds of dollars with features like stunt modes 9-point curves exponential dedicated heli and plane modes retractable landing gear flaps and much more – all within minutes PRE-Flight’s Control Wizard quickly configures any compatible Transmitter to use all available channels perfectly at the same time adding channels and functions if required Accomodates Mode 1 or 2 CCPM mixing 4-16 channels RC Transmitters with PFUSB and USB game-type controllers Not only will the Wizard configure and enhance it will also inform about various RC concepts and terms Learn about Helicopter flying modes what Plane flaps do what exponential is – a quick run through the Wizard is like spending a few hours with an expert flying instructor! Owners of full versions of PRE-Flight ver 270 or higher click here for your free update to the latest version 512 This announcement and other important news is also available thru the PRE-Flight Google Group Click here for more info on PRE-Flight Control Wizard If you would like email notifications of PRE-Flight announcements please join the PRE-Flight Google Group Membership is free and announcements are PRE-Flight specific only Your email addresses are spam-protected 26th August 2009 Announcing – for a limited time only – free 3D Glasses included free with PRE-Flightconditions apply Transcendental Technologies is pleased to announce PRE-Flight Version 4 – the first and only RC Flight Simulator using advanced 3D viewing technology without the need for expensive and cumbersome 3D hardware Now for a limited time only a pair of high-quality PRE-Flight 3D Glasses are now included free with the full version of PRE-Flight with USB and cable conditions apply If you’re ready to experience the next stage in the evolution of RC Simulation click here for a free upgrade for your full version copy of PRE-Flight ver 300 and higher or buy the full version here This announcement and other important news is also available thru the PRE-Flight Google Group Click here for more info on PRE-Flight 3D If you would like email notifications of PRE-Flight announcements please join the PRE-Flight Google Group Membership is free and announcements are PRE-Flight specific only Your email addresses are spam-protected 12th August 2009 Announcing PRE-Flight 3D Version 4 Transcendental Technologies is pleased to announce PRE-Flight Version 4 – the first and only RC Flight Simulator using advanced 3D viewing technology without the need for expensive and cumbersome 3D hardware Using only inexpensive PRE-Flight 3D Glasses or even freebie colored glasses that you can get from the video shop or from those popular 3D movies or even Build-It-Yourself PRE-Flight’s 3D Video technology adds a whole new dimension to RC Flight Simulation with minimal cost Combined with full 3D sound PRE-Flight provides the fully-immersive experience producing total realism in RC flying If you don’t have any 3D glasses handy or don’t feel like making your own PRE-Flight also supports the use of cross-eye 3D viewing – or even plain vanilla-flavored 20th century 2D viewing If you’re ready to experience the next stage in the evolution of RC Simulation click here for a free upgrade for your full version copy of PRE-Flight ver 300 and higher or buy the full version here This announcement and other important news is also available thru the PRE-Flight Google Group Click here for more info on PRE-Flight 3D If you would like email notifications of PRE-Flight announcements please join the PRE-Flight Google Group Membership is free and announcements are PRE-Flight specific only Your email addresses are spam-protected 20th July 2009 New Model for free download – Apollo 11 Eagle Moon Lander The Eagle Moon Lander was designed and built by Grumman Aircraft Engineering at a cost of around 350 million Ungainly as it looked the LEM Lunar Excursion Module – its official title was the most reliable component of the Apollo system the only one never to have suffered a major failure Flown into history by Neil Armstrong – the first man to set foot on the moon the LEM was surprisingly fragile A strong finger poke would be enough to puncture its skin which in places was as thin as 2 layers of aluminum foil If you have the right stuff fly this super scale model of the Eagle which features gold foil coverings rocket sound full 6-degrees of freedom controls 1/6th moon gravity physics and more See this web page to download the free model See this web page to download the free PRE-Flight RC Simulator Demo If you would like email notifications of PRE-Flight announcements please join the PRE-Flight Google Group Membership is free and announcements are PRE-Flight specific only Your email addresses are spam-protected 28th June 2009 New Model for free download – Hitler’s Stealth Fighter Horten Ho 229 The Horten Ho 229 was the favorite of Hitler’s Luftwaffe chief Hermann Goering calling it the only aircraft to come close to his 100010001000 requirements – meaning an aircraft that could carry 1000kg of bombs a distance of 1000km at a speed of 1000km/hr Although the Horten was never completed it was so advanced for its time that a reconstruction of it was recently done Apart from its super-efficient flying-wing configuration ejection seat and braking parachute the Horten was to feature a composite skin which was impregnated with charcoal – the first radar-absorbent stealth design in history The plane that might have changed the war is presented by PRE-Flight as a super scale model with highly detailed weapons and moveable controls An unusual sister model included is a variant with stealthy transparent skin which makes internal details like landing gear and cannons visible See this web page to download the free model See this web page to download the free PRE-Flight RC Simulator Demo If you would like email notifications of PRE-Flight announcements please join the PRE-Flight Google Group Membership is free and announcements are PRE-Flight specific only Your email addresses are spam-protected 19th June 2009 New Model for free download – Republic P-47 Thunderbolt The Republic P-47 Thunderbolt the Jug – short for Juggernaut according to the British was superlative in many ways It was the largest heaviest and most expensive piston-powered fighter fighter in history Its 8 50-caliber machine guns made it especially adept against light ground targets and its 2500-pound bomb load was effective against heavy tanks A fully-loaded Jug weighed up to 8 tons and its very size and weight posed operational problems for the Allies Nevertheless the so-called dinosaur was well-liked by pilots not just because of its robustness but also because of conveniences like air-conditioning and spacious interior One unique feature of the Jug was the aft turbosupercharger which operated at over 21000 rpm and gave the 18-cylinder Pratt amp Whitney R-2800 engine over 2500 hp – resulting in a maximum speed of over 430mph This super scale PRE-Flight model of the Jug has highly detailed weapons and moveable controls As usual with PRE-Flight models the Thunderbolt can be painted to reproduce many different paint jobs See this web page to download the free model See this web page to download the free PRE-Flight RC Simulator Demo If you would like email notifications of PRE-Flight announcements please join the PRE-Flight Google Group Membership is free and announcements are PRE-Flight specific only Your email addresses are spam-protected 15th June 2009 New Model for free download – Messerschmitt Me 262 The Messerschmitt Me 262 Schwalbe Swallow was the world’s first operational jet fighter Its maximum speed of over 900kph and tremendous rate of climb of 1200 m/min made it a deadly opponent for even the fastest Allied aircraft Fortunately it was available only in small numbers – not enough to change the outcome of World War II The Me 262 was powered by twin Junkers Jumo Turbojets of 1980 lbs each and armed with 4 30mm cannons It also packed 24 5mm rockets and up to 1000 kg of bombs Hitler first envisioned the Me 262 as a revenge bomber but it was found that its best role was as an interceptor – claiming over 500 Allied kills in its short but devastating career This super scale PRE-Flight model of the Me 262 has highly detailed weapons and moveable controls As usual with PRE-Flight models the Me 262 can be painted to reproduce many different paint jobs See this web page to download the free model See this web page to download the free PRE-Flight RC Simulator Demo If you would like email notifications of PRE-Flight announcements please join the PRE-Flight Google Group Membership is free and announcements are PRE-Flight specific only Your email addresses are spam-protected 31st May 2009 New Model for free download – Gotha GV As WWI unfolded the concept of the battle plane – a heavily-armed fighter – materialized in the German Gotha series This proved no match to the nimble and more lightly-armed fighters and the Gotha was quickly and successfully converted to bomber duty This was a very timely move as the lumbering Zeppellins were proving vulnerable to Allied defences The Gotha was a twin-engined pusher design medium bomber and was well-able to defend itself armed with 2-3 machine guns as well as deliver a decent bombload to a range of up to 840km One unique aspect of the Gotha was an innovative gun tunnel which allowed the rear machine gun to protect from an attack from below This super scale PRE-Flight model of the Gotha has highly detailed weapons and moveable controls as well as a very-detailed cockpit and wooden propellers The control linkages are external to the fuselage in line with the design conventions of the day As usual with PRE-Flight models the Gotha can be painted to reproduce many different paint jobs This model is for PRE-Flight version 210 and higher See this web page to download the free model See this web page to download the free PRE-Flight RC Simulator Demo If you would like email notifications of PRE-Flight announcements please join the PRE-Flight Google Group Membership is free and announcements are PRE-Flight specific only Your email addresses are spam-protected 25th April 2009 New Model for free download – Ju 87 Stuka The Junkers Ju 87 Stuka from German Sturzkampfflugzeug dive bomber was designed from the beginning as a dive bomber and this role it performed brilliantly It was capable of very precise bombing – diving up to 90-degree angles then automatically pulling out of the dive after bomb-release This automatic feature was required as pulling from the 600kph-plus dive usually blacked-out the pilot The Stuka was a true terror weapon and was equipped with a specially designed siren nicknamed the Jericho Trumpet which 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Reaper variants in several countries This model is for PRE-Flight version 210 and higher See this web page to download the free model See this web page to download the free PRE-Flight RC Simulator Demo If you would like email notifications of PRE-Flight announcements please join the PRE-Flight Google Group Membership is free and announcements are PRE-Flight specific only Your email addresses are spam-protected 7th April 2009 New Model Added to the T-Rex Edition of PRE-Flight The popular T-Rex 250 is now part of the T-Rex Edition for a total of 5 helicopters The T-Rex 250 is a micro-sized electric helicopter with the usual high quality found in the Align brand Flying weight is about 330 grams with a main rotor diameter of 460mm The PRE-Flight T-Rex 250 model is highly accurate in looks and feel and is user customizable Click here for a screenshot See this page to order 3rd April 2009 New Model for free download – F4U Corsair The Chance Vought F4U Corsair is the longest production run of any piston-powered fighter in US history First flown in 1942 the Corsair was not initially popular due to its unsuitability for carrier landings earning it the name bent wing widow-maker due to numerous landing incidents However its superior fighting performance earned it the Japanese nickname of Whistling Death for the noise made by airflow through the wing root-mounted oil cooler air intakes The specifications of the Corsair was indeed formidable The R-2800 Double Wasp radial engine was supercharged to produce over 2000 horsepower at 20000 ft altitude Armament was 6 50-caliber machine guns making the Corsair effective against Japanese fighters – averaging an incredible 11-to-1 kill ratio This super scale PRE-Flight model of the Corsair is composed of almost 120000 polygons – making it one of the most realistic models available Total model size is over 17MB 88MB zipped It has realistic operating landing gear and moveable controls This model can be painted to reproduce any of the Corsairs of the 7 countries and 2 major conflicts where it found service This model is for PRE-Flight version 210 and higher See this web page to download the free model See this web page to download the free PRE-Flight RC Simulator Demo If you would like email notifications of PRE-Flight announcements please join the PRE-Flight Google Group Membership is free and announcements are PRE-Flight specific only Your email addresses are spam-protected 28th March 2009 Real RC Transmitter Available with PRE-Flight Start off on the right foot – get a real high-quality full-featured Computer RC transmitter as your Simulator Control Then use the same Transmitter to fly all your real RC Helicopters and Planes The Walkera WK-2801 is a robust well-designed full-featured REAL RC Transmitter which you can use to fly REAL RC Helicopters and Planes Easy to set up in both Heli and Plane mode switchable to Mode 1 or Mode 2 without rewiring and is able to control 8 Real RC models heli and plane plus more 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Someone needed the hunger for the truth the tenacity to uncover it and the guts to reveal it to you I was the only candidate James Bragg As a result: over 145000 new-car shoppers have used the Fighting Chance 3-step competitive bidding process to get the lowest price possible without walking into a single car store to haggle! With this empowering guide to buying or leasing a new car you’ll be in total control conducting the process from your home or office among several dealers that you choose The guide teaches you exactly what to say and do and when to do it And unlike every other new-car info site we’ll be here to answer your questions by phone every step of the way eg If you’re leasing we’ll go through the best-offer numbers with you before you sign the papers You Need The Whole Truth About The New-Car Business And This Is The Only Website Where You’ll Find It WARNING! Because I’m opening your eyes to the truth they’ve all been hiding our facts and action recommendations contradict EVERYTHING you’re being told and encouraged to do by TrueCar Edmunds Kelley Blue Book Carscom Consumer Reports and the other big new-car info sites which get all their revenue from the automakers and dealers they send you to For openers no dealer wants you to understand this: Every new car is a commodity the same vehicle with the same price structure at every dealership In the art of the deal the winner is always the one with the leverage And there’s ZERO LEVERAGE in walking into a car store and haggling You’re playing an away game and no one there is rooting for your team That dealer’s competitor isn’t the other brands it’s the other dealers who sell his brand And the winning leverage always comes from having several of them compete for your business Here’s an example: A customer got 9 dealers to compete for a redesigned 2017 Honda CR-V without leaving his home or office and paid 1090 below invoice The eight other bids were 900 below 510 below 410 below 180 below and 300 over invoice 460 over 530 over and 930 over – a 2020 spread from low to high! The winning Sales Manager said This is the only smart way to buy a car But if everyone did it this way we’d be out of business And that store may have been the next month’s high bidder depending on how it was doing then vs its target Question: What should we have told him was a good price for that car Any number we mentioned would have been bone stupid And that’s true for any car you want Either you repeat the same conventional doctrines everybody is saying or else you say something true and it will sound like it’s from Neptune – Noam Chomsky Why aren’t those auto-info old-boy clubs Kelley Blue Book Edmunds TrueCar carscom Consumer Reports etc telling you this Because they pocket referral fees of 300 to 500 when you buy a car from dealers in their networks – money which comes from your pocket They’re in business to help dealers sell cars profitably not to help you get the lowest price If they told you the truth they’d be out of business tomorrow Our customers almost always beat their prices frequently by a lot That’s why over half of our orders come from previous customers and their referrals No Auto-Info Site Can Serve Two Masters He Serves Just One: You The New-Car Buyer Founder James Bragg a Yale and Harvard Business School graduate is a career-long change agent who has always challenged conventional wisdom With 25 years and over 65000 hours focused solely on this subject he’s the country’s most knowledgeable new-car buyers’ consumer advocate And unlike every old-boy club source of new-car info and advice including Consumer Reports he’s never taken a dime from dealers or automakers As a result he’s become the sole source of the long-hidden truth about the dealer invoice price dealer cash incentives and the only smart way to buy a new car in today’s market His Discovery That The Invoice Price Has Nothing To Do WithAny Dealer Cost Shocked Consumer Reports Into Killing ItsNew Car Price Service a major cash cow Since 1983! In November 2012 he proved to that organization and four other auto-info biggies that the dealer invoice price has had no relationship to any vehicle’s cost since 1994 invalidating the core assumption behind their target price advice The effectiveness of that ancient invoice-based negotiating approach is dead as a doornail Embarrassed by its two-decade failure to recognize that obvious fact Consumer Reports dumped its legendary ‘cash cow’ New Car Price Service – the one they claimed would tell you the dealer’s true cost which hasn’t been true for 23 years Can there be any stronger evidence that the way to get the best price has changed forever It is almost impossible to carry the torch of truth through a crowd without singeing somebody’s beard – George Christoph Lichtenberg NEW-CAR SALES HAVE HIT A WALL AND THAT PUTS YOU IN THE DRIVER’S SEAT The pent-up demand from the recession has been satisfied 2015 was the last growth year with sales up 57 A 3 gain was forecast in 2016 but result was 03 Sales slipped 18 last year to 172 million about 300000 units behind 2016 Overall sales could drop below 17 million this year for the first time in three years January-August sales inched up just 11 but that tiny gain was based mainly on increased fleet sales to rental car companies and businesses not retail sales And over the last 5 years September sales have averaged 15 lower than August’s As a result the market is more competitive than ever with automakers spending more on incentives to move the metal In a word you’ve got more deal-making leverage than you’ve had in years Why am I the only one telling you these facts Because if the big new-car info and buying services did they’d jeopardize their entire revenue stream which comes from dealers and automakers not you For 25 years I’ve been on a mission to unearth and expose the long-hidden truths that Consumer Reports TrueCar Edmunds Carscom Kelley Blue Book and the auto industry don’t want you to know Those facts demolish all their conventional wisdom about how to buy a car and they transfer the negotiating leverage from the dealers to you Isn’t it time you stopped looking at the way to buy a new car through their rear-view mirrors PS Will you visit me when I enter the witness protection program JAMES BRAGG HOW TO ORDER THE PACKAGE AND WHEN AND HOW YOU’LL GET IT To place an order on our secure encrypted order form click on the Ordering link in the upper left column If you’d prefer to place a phone order or if you have questions that aren’t answered on our web site you may call our order desk at 1-562-433-8489 between 9:15AM and 4:00PM Pacific time Monday through Friday To see the vehicles for which we have pricing info click on the Auto Pricing link in that column Normal Delivery Timing: 99 of our customers request email delivery This is a tiny information boutique We usually send email orders by the next business day — with one exception this fall My assistant who sends the orders is a college grad school student who’s in class all day Tuesday this semester SO LATE MONDAY ORDERS AND ALL TUESDAY’S WILL USUALLY BE EMAILED TO CUSTOMERS ON WEDNESDAY We’ll be here 562-433-8489 to answer your questions and analyze your best lease offer weekdays between 9:15 AM and 4:00 PM Pacific time For a sneak peek at what you’ll get for 4495 scroll down to What’s In The Fighting Chance Package The Dealer Invoice Price Has Become a Bloated Imposter That Has Had Nothing To Do With Any New Car’s Real Cost For Twenty Three Years! And The Industry Moves It Further From Any Cost As noted above Bragg proved it to senior execs of Consumer Reports Kelley Blue Book Edmunds Carscom and TrueCar in a 11/27/12 USA TODAY Automotive Roundtable discussion of whether online car shopping and information services are believable and are relevant in today’s market To see it click here You could have heard a pin drop Incredibly no one was aware of a game-changing fact that had been in front of their noses for 17 years! It’s their worst nightmare because it exposes their pay what others paid as terrible advice Bragg asked the Consumer Reports person Who’s been running your New Car Price Service for the past 20 years Rip Van Winkle He was not amused To read much of the USA TODAY Don’t Trust That Invoice Price write-up on that meeting in which Bragg was dubbed a peppery contrarian click here To understand how laughable new-car pricing is today check out the tiny percentage differences between the base invoice and retail/sticker prices for each brand: Acura/5-7 Audi/7 BMW/6 Buick/4-5 Cadillac/5 Chevy/5-7 Dodge/3-4 Ford/1-7 Genesis/5-7 GMC/5-7 Honda/3-9 Hyundai/3-7 Infiniti/7 Jeep/2-5 Kia/5-7 Lexus/5-8 Lincoln/4-5 Mazda/3-5 Mercedes/7 Mitsubishi/2-3 Nissan/2-7 Ram/4-9 Subaru/5-7 Toyota/4-9 VW/4-5 Volvo/6 And that’s if you pay the full sticker price! Who does that The guy who thinks Taco Bell is a Mexican phone company Add the fact that dealerships have an overhead expense of 12 to 15 of revenue and you’d have to be brain dead to believe the invoice price is in the same area code as any cost number The auto industry is having a good laugh at how gullible we are It’s even flipping us off now with pricing for the Chrysler Pacific Hybrid minivan: Invoice 44895 Retail 44995! Yet all the info and advice on those big auto-info websites is based on our swallowing – hook line and sinker – the preposterous notion that for decades automakers have been telling everyone what their dealers pay for their cars If that were true dealers would go ballistic But they don’t and they never did even before the Internet arrived Your responsibility as a person is to constantly update your positions on as many things as possible If you don’t contradict yourself regularly you’re not thinking – Malcolm Gladwell The inside story of the discovery of that game-changing fact is told in our book Letting The Cat Out Of The Bag: How The Auto Industry ‘Redesigned’ The Dealer invoice Price When The Internet Arrived available in paperback and Kindle format at Amazon To read the back cover copy Preface Table of Contents and the first four chapters click here If you’d like a author-signed copy 1495 including postage you can add that to your order for the Fighting Chance information package Here’s Bragg’s Take On Those Consumer Auto Pricing Sites Those sites are: a pitching the range of what other clueless shoppers have paid as the holy grail of transaction prices b using rebates which everyone gets and a comparison of their prices to the full sticker price which almost no one pays to inflate their claims of savings from using their services and c sending you on a ‘milk run’ to a small number of dealers in their networks who relish the thought of selling you a car at those prices and reward those conduit sites handsomely with the advertising and/or finder’s fees of 300 to 500 that comes out of your pocket Question: When you’re thinking about getting a new car are you sitting there saying Gee I hope I get a price that’s close to what everyone else is paying We don’t get to choose what is trueWe only get to choose what we do about it – Kami Garcia These Are The Facts About How Most Dealer Incentive Programs Work Today It’s 2018 not 1994 and that world isn’t flat anymore it’s round 90 of the bucks spent on dealer cash are in multi-month programs based on total sales targets and subjective issues like customers’ ratings of their selling dealerships NOT on sales of specific vehicles The rewards can be five to six-figure bonuses Some are stair-step promotions in which per-vehicle bonuses increase as dealers reach higher volume thresholds And no one can tell you any dealership’s target or performance level or when these programs start and end So reaching interim monthly goals along the way is crucially important There’s a lot of seasonality in the business and dealers can’t go into the last month 15 behind where they should have been based on that seasonal pattern That keeps steady sales pressure on month after month Dealers trailing their monthly targets near month-end will sell for much less and that’s likely to be different dealers each month WHAT’S IN THE FIGHTING CHANCE PACKAGE You’ll have the only independent unbiased source of truthful information and powerful negotiating advice on the Internet We’ve been focused single-mindedly on this subject since before the Dead Sea got sick and much of our knowledge has come from our customers’ feedback You’ll have us as your coaches as you go through the process Got a question Call us Want to run the numbers before you sign a lease Call us There’s no such thing as a silly question here In the package’s centerpiece How The PhoneEmail Attack Can Get You The Best Deal Saving You Time Money and Aggravation you’ll learn exactly what to do and say each step of the way as you conduct a competitive bidding process from your home or office Ideally you’ll enlist 9 or 10 dealers that you choose to make price proposals and you’ll go with the winner We also tell you the best day of each month to start the process You’ll receive our signature Big Picture analysis of how the brands and the specific vehicles you’re interested in have been doing in the market Are your model’s sales up or down Does the average dealer sell 2 per month or 22 This piece also reveals the current holdback information for brands that use it several don’t You’ll get the complete current sticker/MSRP and dealer invoice pricing data for the vehicles you’re considering covering all the trim levels and equipment packages Here’s a current list of model pricing available You’ll also get these insightful fact-based articles by Mr Bragg most of them information no other auto-info site will tell you Focus only on those relevant to your purchase or lease How We Abandoned Our Inborn Common Sense About New-Car Pricing How The Industry Has Turned The Invoice Price Into A Bloated ImposterBy Continually Raising It By More Than The MSRP For Over Two Decades How New-Car Dealers Make The Big Bucks And How They Don’t Today Incentives Often Differ From Market To Market Here’s How To Check The Offers Where You Are The Two Big ‘Fake News’ Come-ons To Ignore The Myth Of Vehicle-Specific Dealer Cash Incentives The Crucial Financial Importance Of A Dealership’s Customer Satisfaction Rating Important Note On The Pricing Of Dealer-Installed Accessories Can You Get The Vehicle Configuration You Want Things To Consider About Placing A Factory Order Have You Chosen A Crashworthy Vehicle Thoughts On Buying A Demo Or Last Year’s Leftover Model Should You Buy An Extended Warranty Dealing With A Trade-In If you tell us you have one Leasing 101: The Straight Skinny If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Here’s The Information We Need To Analyze Your ‘Best-Offer’ Lease Numbers With You If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Our unique package includes all the information you need to negotiate the best price on for any one vehicle You may place an order here on a secure encrypted order form at any time Special Message To Previous Customers The Fighting Chance package is always changing to reflect new knowledge and the best ways to deal with the changing realities in the retail car business Sometimes the changes are dramatic For example the method for getting competitive bids differs substantially from the arms-length/one-step fax or email attack process we recommended several years ago At other times the changes are small but represent worthwhile improvements The suggested wording in the note you’ll send dealers is fine-tuned often The package you’d receive today will typically include several insightful changes compared to the one you ordered years ago The Cost Of This Unique Package 4495 Includes all the information you need for any one vehicle Additional vehicles: 1500 each More than half of our customers add one or more additional vehicles as fall-back alternatives This could become a small but wise 1500 decision if you find it difficult to deal on your first choice Considering the substantial cost of the new vehicle you’re about to buy or lease isn’t this a relatively small price to pay for the comprehensive Fighting Chance information package Important Note: This is a service for NEW VEHICLES ONLY We have no information on used vehicles Also we have NO CANADIAN PRICING DATA Copyright © 2017 Fighting Chance Home 1
It is almost impossible to carry the torch of truth through a crowd without singeing somebody’s beard – George Christoph Lichtenberg NEW-CAR SALES HAVE HIT A WALL AND THAT PUTS YOU IN THE DRIVER’S SEAT The pent-up demand from the recession has been satisfied 2015 was the last growth year with sales up 57 A 3 gain was forecast in 2016 but result was 03 Sales slipped 18 last year to 172 million about 300000 units behind 2016 Overall sales could drop below 17 million this year for the first time in three years January-August sales inched up just 11 but that tiny gain was based mainly on increased fleet sales to rental car companies and businesses not retail sales And over the last 5 years September sales have averaged 15 lower than August’s As a result the market is more competitive than ever with automakers spending more on incentives to move the metal In a word you’ve got more deal-making leverage than you’ve had in years Why am I the only one telling you these facts Because if the big new-car info and buying services did they’d jeopardize their entire revenue stream which comes from dealers and automakers not you For 25 years I’ve been on a mission to unearth and expose the long-hidden truths that Consumer Reports TrueCar Edmunds Carscom Kelley Blue Book and the auto industry don’t want you to know Those facts demolish all their conventional wisdom about how to buy a car and they transfer the negotiating leverage from the dealers to you Isn’t it time you stopped looking at the way to buy a new car through their rear-view mirrors PS Will you visit me when I enter the witness protection program JAMES BRAGG HOW TO ORDER THE PACKAGE AND WHEN AND HOW YOU’LL GET IT To place an order on our secure encrypted order form click on the Ordering link in the upper left column If you’d prefer to place a phone order or if you have questions that aren’t answered on our web site you may call our order desk at 1-562-433-8489 between 9:15AM and 4:00PM Pacific time Monday through Friday To see the vehicles for which we have pricing info click on the Auto Pricing link in that column Normal Delivery Timing: 99 of our customers request email delivery This is a tiny information boutique We usually send email orders by the next business day — with one exception this fall My assistant who sends the orders is a college grad school student who’s in class all day Tuesday this semester SO LATE MONDAY ORDERS AND ALL TUESDAY’S WILL USUALLY BE EMAILED TO CUSTOMERS ON WEDNESDAY We’ll be here 562-433-8489 to answer your questions and analyze your best lease offer weekdays between 9:15 AM and 4:00 PM Pacific time For a sneak peek at what you’ll get for 4495 scroll down to What’s In The Fighting Chance Package The Dealer Invoice Price Has Become a Bloated Imposter That Has Had Nothing To Do With Any New Car’s Real Cost For Twenty Three Years! And The Industry Moves It Further From Any Cost As noted above Bragg proved it to senior execs of Consumer Reports Kelley Blue Book Edmunds Carscom and TrueCar in a 11/27/12 USA TODAY Automotive Roundtable discussion of whether online car shopping and information services are believable and are relevant in today’s market To see it click here You could have heard a pin drop Incredibly no one was aware of a game-changing fact that had been in front of their noses for 17 years! It’s their worst nightmare because it exposes their pay what others paid as terrible advice Bragg asked the Consumer Reports person Who’s been running your New Car Price Service for the past 20 years Rip Van Winkle He was not amused To read much of the USA TODAY Don’t Trust That Invoice Price write-up on that meeting in which Bragg was dubbed a peppery contrarian click here To understand how laughable new-car pricing is today check out the tiny percentage differences between the base invoice and retail/sticker prices for each brand: Acura/5-7 Audi/7 BMW/6 Buick/4-5 Cadillac/5 Chevy/5-7 Dodge/3-4 Ford/1-7 Genesis/5-7 GMC/5-7 Honda/3-9 Hyundai/3-7 Infiniti/7 Jeep/2-5 Kia/5-7 Lexus/5-8 Lincoln/4-5 Mazda/3-5 Mercedes/7 Mitsubishi/2-3 Nissan/2-7 Ram/4-9 Subaru/5-7 Toyota/4-9 VW/4-5 Volvo/6 And that’s if you pay the full sticker price! Who does that The guy who thinks Taco Bell is a Mexican phone company Add the fact that dealerships have an overhead expense of 12 to 15 of revenue and you’d have to be brain dead to believe the invoice price is in the same area code as any cost number The auto industry is having a good laugh at how gullible we are It’s even flipping us off now with pricing for the Chrysler Pacific Hybrid minivan: Invoice 44895 Retail 44995! Yet all the info and advice on those big auto-info websites is based on our swallowing – hook line and sinker – the preposterous notion that for decades automakers have been telling everyone what their dealers pay for their cars If that were true dealers would go ballistic But they don’t and they never did even before the Internet arrived Your responsibility as a person is to constantly update your positions on as many things as possible If you don’t contradict yourself regularly you’re not thinking – Malcolm Gladwell The inside story of the discovery of that game-changing fact is told in our book Letting The Cat Out Of The Bag: How The Auto Industry ‘Redesigned’ The Dealer invoice Price When The Internet Arrived available in paperback and Kindle format at Amazon To read the back cover copy Preface Table of Contents and the first four chapters click here If you’d like a author-signed copy 1495 including postage you can add that to your order for the Fighting Chance information package Here’s Bragg’s Take On Those Consumer Auto Pricing Sites Those sites are: a pitching the range of what other clueless shoppers have paid as the holy grail of transaction prices b using rebates which everyone gets and a comparison of their prices to the full sticker price which almost no one pays to inflate their claims of savings from using their services and c sending you on a ‘milk run’ to a small number of dealers in their networks who relish the thought of selling you a car at those prices and reward those conduit sites handsomely with the advertising and/or finder’s fees of 300 to 500 that comes out of your pocket Question: When you’re thinking about getting a new car are you sitting there saying Gee I hope I get a price that’s close to what everyone else is paying We don’t get to choose what is trueWe only get to choose what we do about it – Kami Garcia These Are The Facts About How Most Dealer Incentive Programs Work Today It’s 2018 not 1994 and that world isn’t flat anymore it’s round 90 of the bucks spent on dealer cash are in multi-month programs based on total sales targets and subjective issues like customers’ ratings of their selling dealerships NOT on sales of specific vehicles The rewards can be five to six-figure bonuses Some are stair-step promotions in which per-vehicle bonuses increase as dealers reach higher volume thresholds And no one can tell you any dealership’s target or performance level or when these programs start and end So reaching interim monthly goals along the way is crucially important There’s a lot of seasonality in the business and dealers can’t go into the last month 15 behind where they should have been based on that seasonal pattern That keeps steady sales pressure on month after month Dealers trailing their monthly targets near month-end will sell for much less and that’s likely to be different dealers each month WHAT’S IN THE FIGHTING CHANCE PACKAGE You’ll have the only independent unbiased source of truthful information and powerful negotiating advice on the Internet We’ve been focused single-mindedly on this subject since before the Dead Sea got sick and much of our knowledge has come from our customers’ feedback You’ll have us as your coaches as you go through the process Got a question Call us Want to run the numbers before you sign a lease Call us There’s no such thing as a silly question here In the package’s centerpiece How The PhoneEmail Attack Can Get You The Best Deal Saving You Time Money and Aggravation you’ll learn exactly what to do and say each step of the way as you conduct a competitive bidding process from your home or office Ideally you’ll enlist 9 or 10 dealers that you choose to make price proposals and you’ll go with the winner We also tell you the best day of each month to start the process You’ll receive our signature Big Picture analysis of how the brands and the specific vehicles you’re interested in have been doing in the market Are your model’s sales up or down Does the average dealer sell 2 per month or 22 This piece also reveals the current holdback information for brands that use it several don’t You’ll get the complete current sticker/MSRP and dealer invoice pricing data for the vehicles you’re considering covering all the trim levels and equipment packages Here’s a current list of model pricing available You’ll also get these insightful fact-based articles by Mr Bragg most of them information no other auto-info site will tell you Focus only on those relevant to your purchase or lease How We Abandoned Our Inborn Common Sense About New-Car Pricing How The Industry Has Turned The Invoice Price Into A Bloated ImposterBy Continually Raising It By More Than The MSRP For Over Two Decades How New-Car Dealers Make The Big Bucks And How They Don’t Today Incentives Often Differ From Market To Market Here’s How To Check The Offers Where You Are The Two Big ‘Fake News’ Come-ons To Ignore The Myth Of Vehicle-Specific Dealer Cash Incentives The Crucial Financial Importance Of A Dealership’s Customer Satisfaction Rating Important Note On The Pricing Of Dealer-Installed Accessories Can You Get The Vehicle Configuration You Want Things To Consider About Placing A Factory Order Have You Chosen A Crashworthy Vehicle Thoughts On Buying A Demo Or Last Year’s Leftover Model Should You Buy An Extended Warranty Dealing With A Trade-In If you tell us you have one Leasing 101: The Straight Skinny If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Here’s The Information We Need To Analyze Your ‘Best-Offer’ Lease Numbers With You If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Our unique package includes all the information you need to negotiate the best price on for any one vehicle You may place an order here on a secure encrypted order form at any time Special Message To Previous Customers The Fighting Chance package is always changing to reflect new knowledge and the best ways to deal with the changing realities in the retail car business Sometimes the changes are dramatic For example the method for getting competitive bids differs substantially from the arms-length/one-step fax or email attack process we recommended several years ago At other times the changes are small but represent worthwhile improvements The suggested wording in the note you’ll send dealers is fine-tuned often The package you’d receive today will typically include several insightful changes compared to the one you ordered years ago The Cost Of This Unique Package 4495 Includes all the information you need for any one vehicle Additional vehicles: 1500 each More than half of our customers add one or more additional vehicles as fall-back alternatives This could become a small but wise 1500 decision if you find it difficult to deal on your first choice Considering the substantial cost of the new vehicle you’re about to buy or lease isn’t this a relatively small price to pay for the comprehensive Fighting Chance information package Important Note: This is a service for NEW VEHICLES ONLY We have no information on used vehicles Also we have NO CANADIAN PRICING DATA Copyright © 2017 Fighting Chance Home 1
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His Discovery That The Invoice Price Has Nothing To Do WithAny Dealer Cost Shocked Consumer Reports Into Killing ItsNew Car Price Service a major cash cow Since 1983! In November 2012 he proved to that organization and four other auto-info biggies that the dealer invoice price has had no relationship to any vehicle’s cost since 1994 invalidating the core assumption behind their target price advice The effectiveness of that ancient invoice-based negotiating approach is dead as a doornail Embarrassed by its two-decade failure to recognize that obvious fact Consumer Reports dumped its legendary ‘cash cow’ New Car Price Service – the one they claimed would tell you the dealer’s true cost which hasn’t been true for 23 years Can there be any stronger evidence that the way to get the best price has changed forever It is almost impossible to carry the torch of truth through a crowd without singeing somebody’s beard – George Christoph Lichtenberg NEW-CAR SALES HAVE HIT A WALL AND THAT PUTS YOU IN THE DRIVER’S SEAT The pent-up demand from the recession has been satisfied 2015 was the last growth year with sales up 57 A 3 gain was forecast in 2016 but result was 03 Sales slipped 18 last year to 172 million about 300000 units behind 2016 Overall sales could drop below 17 million this year for the first time in three years January-August sales inched up just 11 but that tiny gain was based mainly on increased fleet sales to rental car companies and businesses not retail sales And over the last 5 years September sales have averaged 15 lower than August’s As a result the market is more competitive than ever with automakers spending more on incentives to move the metal In a word you’ve got more deal-making leverage than you’ve had in years Why am I the only one telling you these facts Because if the big new-car info and buying services did they’d jeopardize their entire revenue stream which comes from dealers and automakers not you For 25 years I’ve been on a mission to unearth and expose the long-hidden truths that Consumer Reports TrueCar Edmunds Carscom Kelley Blue Book and the auto industry don’t want you to know Those facts demolish all their conventional wisdom about how to buy a car and they transfer the negotiating leverage from the dealers to you Isn’t it time you stopped looking at the way to buy a new car through their rear-view mirrors PS Will you visit me when I enter the witness protection program JAMES BRAGG HOW TO ORDER THE PACKAGE AND WHEN AND HOW YOU’LL GET IT To place an order on our secure encrypted order form click on the Ordering link in the upper left column If you’d prefer to place a phone order or if you have questions that aren’t answered on our web site you may call our order desk at 1-562-433-8489 between 9:15AM and 4:00PM Pacific time Monday through Friday To see the vehicles for which we have pricing info click on the Auto Pricing link in that column Normal Delivery Timing: 99 of our customers request email delivery This is a tiny information boutique We usually send email orders by the next business day — with one exception this fall My assistant who sends the orders is a college grad school student who’s in class all day Tuesday this semester SO LATE MONDAY ORDERS AND ALL TUESDAY’S WILL USUALLY BE EMAILED TO CUSTOMERS ON WEDNESDAY We’ll be here 562-433-8489 to answer your questions and analyze your best lease offer weekdays between 9:15 AM and 4:00 PM Pacific time For a sneak peek at what you’ll get for 4495 scroll down to What’s In The Fighting Chance Package The Dealer Invoice Price Has Become a Bloated Imposter That Has Had Nothing To Do With Any New Car’s Real Cost For Twenty Three Years! And The Industry Moves It Further From Any Cost As noted above Bragg proved it to senior execs of Consumer Reports Kelley Blue Book Edmunds Carscom and TrueCar in a 11/27/12 USA TODAY Automotive Roundtable discussion of whether online car shopping and information services are believable and are relevant in today’s market To see it click here You could have heard a pin drop Incredibly no one was aware of a game-changing fact that had been in front of their noses for 17 years! It’s their worst nightmare because it exposes their pay what others paid as terrible advice Bragg asked the Consumer Reports person Who’s been running your New Car Price Service for the past 20 years Rip Van Winkle He was not amused To read much of the USA TODAY Don’t Trust That Invoice Price write-up on that meeting in which Bragg was dubbed a peppery contrarian click here To understand how laughable new-car pricing is today check out the tiny percentage differences between the base invoice and retail/sticker prices for each brand: Acura/5-7 Audi/7 BMW/6 Buick/4-5 Cadillac/5 Chevy/5-7 Dodge/3-4 Ford/1-7 Genesis/5-7 GMC/5-7 Honda/3-9 Hyundai/3-7 Infiniti/7 Jeep/2-5 Kia/5-7 Lexus/5-8 Lincoln/4-5 Mazda/3-5 Mercedes/7 Mitsubishi/2-3 Nissan/2-7 Ram/4-9 Subaru/5-7 Toyota/4-9 VW/4-5 Volvo/6 And that’s if you pay the full sticker price! Who does that The guy who thinks Taco Bell is a Mexican phone company Add the fact that dealerships have an overhead expense of 12 to 15 of revenue and you’d have to be brain dead to believe the invoice price is in the same area code as any cost number The auto industry is having a good laugh at how gullible we are It’s even flipping us off now with pricing for the Chrysler Pacific Hybrid minivan: Invoice 44895 Retail 44995! Yet all the info and advice on those big auto-info websites is based on our swallowing – hook line and sinker – the preposterous notion that for decades automakers have been telling everyone what their dealers pay for their cars If that were true dealers would go ballistic But they don’t and they never did even before the Internet arrived Your responsibility as a person is to constantly update your positions on as many things as possible If you don’t contradict yourself regularly you’re not thinking – Malcolm Gladwell The inside story of the discovery of that game-changing fact is told in our book Letting The Cat Out Of The Bag: How The Auto Industry ‘Redesigned’ The Dealer invoice Price When The Internet Arrived available in paperback and Kindle format at Amazon To read the back cover copy Preface Table of Contents and the first four chapters click here If you’d like a author-signed copy 1495 including postage you can add that to your order for the Fighting Chance information package 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James Bragg As a result: over 145000 new-car shoppers have used the Fighting Chance 3-step competitive bidding process to get the lowest price possible without walking into a single car store to haggle! With this empowering guide to buying or leasing a new car you’ll be in total control conducting the process from your home or office among several dealers that you choose The guide teaches you exactly what to say and do and when to do it And unlike every other new-car info site we’ll be here to answer your questions by phone every step of the way eg If you’re leasing we’ll go through the best-offer numbers with you before you sign the papers You Need The Whole Truth About The New-Car Business And This Is The Only Website Where You’ll Find It WARNING! Because I’m opening your eyes to the truth they’ve all been hiding our facts and action recommendations contradict EVERYTHING you’re being told and encouraged to do by TrueCar Edmunds Kelley Blue Book Carscom Consumer Reports and the other big new-car info sites which get all their revenue from the automakers and dealers they send you to For openers no dealer wants you to understand this: Every new car is a commodity the same vehicle with the same price structure at every dealership In the art of the deal the winner is always the one with the leverage And there’s ZERO LEVERAGE in walking into a car store and haggling You’re playing an away game and no one there is rooting for your team That dealer’s competitor isn’t the other brands it’s the other dealers who sell his brand And the winning leverage always comes from having several of them compete for your business Here’s an example: A customer got 9 dealers to compete for a redesigned 2017 Honda CR-V without leaving his home or office and paid 1090 below invoice The eight other bids were 900 below 510 below 410 below 180 below and 300 over invoice 460 over 530 over and 930 over – a 2020 spread from low to high! The winning Sales Manager said This is the only smart way to buy a car But if everyone did it this way we’d be out of business And that store may have been the next month’s high bidder depending on how it was doing then vs its target Question: What should we have told him was a good price for that car Any number we mentioned would have been bone stupid And that’s true for any car you want Either you repeat the same conventional doctrines everybody is saying or else you say something true and it will sound like it’s from Neptune – Noam Chomsky Why aren’t those auto-info old-boy clubs Kelley Blue Book Edmunds TrueCar carscom Consumer Reports etc telling you this Because they pocket referral fees of 300 to 500 when you buy a car from dealers in their networks – money which comes from your pocket They’re in business to help dealers sell cars profitably not to help you get the lowest price If they told you the truth they’d be out of business tomorrow Our customers almost always beat their prices frequently by a lot That’s why over half of our orders come from previous customers and their referrals No Auto-Info Site Can Serve Two Masters He Serves Just One: You The New-Car Buyer Founder James Bragg a Yale and Harvard Business School graduate is a career-long change agent who has always challenged conventional wisdom With 25 years and over 65000 hours focused solely on this subject he’s the country’s most knowledgeable new-car buyers’ consumer advocate And unlike every old-boy club source of new-car info and advice including Consumer Reports he’s never taken a dime from dealers or automakers As a result he’s become the sole source of the long-hidden truth about the dealer invoice price dealer cash incentives and the only smart way to buy a new car in today’s market His Discovery That The Invoice Price Has Nothing To Do WithAny Dealer Cost Shocked Consumer Reports Into Killing ItsNew Car Price Service a major cash cow Since 1983! In November 2012 he proved to that organization and four other auto-info biggies that the dealer invoice price has had no relationship to any vehicle’s cost since 1994 invalidating the core assumption behind their target price advice The effectiveness of that ancient invoice-based negotiating approach is dead as a doornail Embarrassed by its two-decade failure to recognize that obvious fact Consumer Reports dumped its legendary ‘cash cow’ New Car Price Service – the one they claimed would tell you the dealer’s true cost which hasn’t been true for 23 years Can there be any stronger evidence that the way to get the best price has changed forever It is almost impossible to carry the torch of truth through a crowd without singeing somebody’s beard – George Christoph Lichtenberg NEW-CAR SALES HAVE HIT A WALL AND THAT PUTS YOU IN THE DRIVER’S SEAT The pent-up demand from the recession has been satisfied 2015 was the last growth year with sales up 57 A 3 gain was forecast in 2016 but result was 03 Sales slipped 18 last year to 172 million about 300000 units behind 2016 Overall sales could drop below 17 million this year for the first time in three years January-August sales inched up just 11 but that tiny gain was based mainly on increased fleet sales to rental car companies and businesses not retail sales And over the last 5 years September sales have averaged 15 lower than August’s As a result the market is more competitive than ever with automakers spending more on incentives to move the metal In a word you’ve got more deal-making leverage than you’ve had in years Why am I the only one telling you these facts Because if the big new-car info and buying services did they’d jeopardize their entire revenue stream which comes from dealers and automakers not you For 25 years I’ve been on a mission to unearth and expose the long-hidden truths that Consumer Reports TrueCar Edmunds Carscom Kelley Blue Book and the auto industry don’t want you to know Those facts demolish all their conventional wisdom about how to buy a car and they transfer the negotiating leverage from the dealers to you Isn’t it time you stopped looking at the way to buy a new car through their rear-view mirrors PS Will you visit me when I enter the witness protection program JAMES BRAGG HOW TO ORDER THE PACKAGE AND WHEN AND HOW YOU’LL GET IT To place an order on our secure encrypted order form click on the Ordering link in the upper left column If you’d prefer to place a phone order or if you have questions that aren’t answered on our web site you may call our order desk at 1-562-433-8489 between 9:15AM and 4:00PM Pacific time Monday through Friday To see the vehicles for which we have pricing info click on the Auto Pricing link in that column Normal Delivery Timing: 99 of our customers request email delivery This is a tiny information boutique We usually send email orders by the next business day — with one exception this fall My assistant who sends the orders is a college grad school student who’s in class all day Tuesday this semester SO LATE MONDAY ORDERS AND ALL TUESDAY’S WILL USUALLY BE EMAILED TO CUSTOMERS ON WEDNESDAY We’ll be here 562-433-8489 to answer your questions and analyze your best lease offer weekdays between 9:15 AM and 4:00 PM Pacific time For a sneak peek at what you’ll get for 4495 scroll down to What’s In The Fighting Chance Package The Dealer Invoice Price Has Become a Bloated Imposter That Has Had Nothing To Do With Any New Car’s Real Cost For Twenty Three Years! And The Industry Moves It Further From Any Cost As noted above Bragg proved it to senior execs of Consumer Reports Kelley Blue Book Edmunds Carscom and TrueCar in a 11/27/12 USA TODAY Automotive Roundtable discussion of whether online car shopping and information services are believable and are relevant in today’s market To see it click here You could have heard a pin drop Incredibly no one was aware of a game-changing fact that had been in front of their noses for 17 years! It’s their worst nightmare because it exposes their pay what others paid as terrible advice Bragg asked the Consumer Reports person Who’s been running your New Car Price Service for the past 20 years Rip Van Winkle He was not amused To read much of the USA TODAY Don’t Trust That Invoice Price write-up on that meeting in which Bragg was dubbed a peppery contrarian click here To understand how laughable new-car pricing is today check out the tiny percentage differences between the base invoice and retail/sticker prices for each brand: Acura/5-7 Audi/7 BMW/6 Buick/4-5 Cadillac/5 Chevy/5-7 Dodge/3-4 Ford/1-7 Genesis/5-7 GMC/5-7 Honda/3-9 Hyundai/3-7 Infiniti/7 Jeep/2-5 Kia/5-7 Lexus/5-8 Lincoln/4-5 Mazda/3-5 Mercedes/7 Mitsubishi/2-3 Nissan/2-7 Ram/4-9 Subaru/5-7 Toyota/4-9 VW/4-5 Volvo/6 And that’s if you pay the full sticker price! Who does that The guy who thinks Taco Bell is a Mexican phone company Add the fact that dealerships have an overhead expense of 12 to 15 of revenue and you’d have to be brain dead to believe the invoice price is in the same area code as any cost number The auto industry is having a good laugh at how gullible we are It’s even flipping us off now with pricing for the Chrysler Pacific Hybrid minivan: Invoice 44895 Retail 44995! Yet all the info and advice on those big auto-info websites is based on our swallowing – hook line and sinker – the preposterous notion that for decades automakers have been telling everyone what their dealers pay for their cars If that were true dealers would go ballistic But they don’t and they never did even before the Internet arrived Your responsibility as a person is to constantly update your positions on as many things as possible If you don’t contradict yourself regularly you’re not thinking – Malcolm Gladwell The inside story of the discovery of that game-changing fact is told in our book Letting The Cat Out Of The Bag: How The Auto Industry ‘Redesigned’ The Dealer invoice Price When The Internet Arrived available in paperback and Kindle format at Amazon To read the back cover copy Preface Table of Contents and the first four chapters click here If you’d like a author-signed copy 1495 including postage you can add that to your order for the Fighting Chance information package Here’s Bragg’s Take On Those Consumer Auto Pricing Sites Those sites are: a pitching the range of what other clueless shoppers have paid as the holy grail of transaction prices b using rebates which everyone gets and a comparison of their prices to the full sticker price which almost no one pays to inflate their claims of savings from using their services and c sending you on a ‘milk run’ to a small number of dealers in their networks who relish the thought of selling you a car at those prices and reward those conduit sites handsomely with the advertising and/or finder’s fees of 300 to 500 that comes out of your pocket Question: When you’re thinking about getting a new car are you sitting there saying Gee I hope I get a price that’s close to what everyone else is paying We don’t get to choose what is trueWe only get to choose what we do about it – Kami Garcia These Are The Facts About How Most Dealer Incentive Programs Work Today It’s 2018 not 1994 and that world isn’t flat anymore it’s round 90 of the bucks spent on dealer cash are in multi-month programs based on total sales targets and subjective issues like customers’ ratings of their selling dealerships NOT on sales of specific vehicles The rewards can be five to six-figure bonuses Some are stair-step promotions in which per-vehicle bonuses increase as dealers reach higher volume thresholds And no one can tell you any dealership’s target or performance level or when these programs start and end So reaching interim monthly goals along the way is crucially important There’s a lot of seasonality in the business and dealers can’t go into the last month 15 behind where they should have been based on that seasonal pattern That keeps steady sales pressure on month after month Dealers trailing their monthly targets near month-end will sell for much less and that’s likely to be different dealers each month WHAT’S IN THE FIGHTING CHANCE PACKAGE You’ll have the only independent unbiased source of truthful information and powerful negotiating advice on the Internet We’ve been focused single-mindedly on this subject since before the Dead Sea got sick and much of our knowledge has come from our customers’ feedback You’ll have us as your coaches as you go through the process Got a question Call us Want to run the numbers before you sign a lease Call us There’s no such thing as a silly question here In the package’s centerpiece How The PhoneEmail Attack Can Get You The Best Deal Saving You Time Money and Aggravation you’ll learn exactly what to do and say each step of the way as you conduct a competitive bidding process from your home or office Ideally you’ll enlist 9 or 10 dealers that you choose to make price proposals and you’ll go with the winner We also tell you the best day of each month to start the process You’ll receive our signature Big Picture analysis of how the brands and the specific vehicles you’re interested in have been doing in the market Are your model’s sales up or down Does the average dealer sell 2 per month or 22 This piece also reveals the current holdback information for brands that use it several don’t You’ll get the complete current sticker/MSRP and dealer invoice pricing data for the vehicles you’re considering covering all the trim levels and equipment packages Here’s a current list of model pricing available You’ll also get these insightful fact-based articles by Mr Bragg most of them information no other auto-info site will tell you Focus only on those relevant to your purchase or lease How We Abandoned Our Inborn Common Sense About New-Car Pricing How The Industry Has Turned The Invoice Price Into A Bloated ImposterBy Continually Raising It By More Than The MSRP For Over Two Decades How New-Car Dealers Make The Big Bucks And How They Don’t Today Incentives Often Differ From Market To Market Here’s How To Check The Offers Where You Are The Two Big ‘Fake News’ Come-ons To Ignore The Myth Of Vehicle-Specific Dealer Cash Incentives The Crucial Financial Importance Of A Dealership’s Customer Satisfaction Rating Important Note On The Pricing Of Dealer-Installed Accessories Can You Get The Vehicle Configuration You Want Things To Consider About Placing A Factory Order Have You Chosen A Crashworthy Vehicle Thoughts On Buying A Demo Or Last Year’s Leftover Model Should You Buy An Extended Warranty Dealing With A Trade-In If you tell us you have one Leasing 101: The Straight Skinny If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Here’s The Information We Need To Analyze Your ‘Best-Offer’ Lease Numbers With You If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Our unique package includes all the information you need to negotiate the best price on for any one vehicle You may place an order here on a secure encrypted order form at any time Special Message To Previous Customers The Fighting Chance package is always changing to reflect new knowledge and the best ways to deal with the changing realities in the retail car business Sometimes the changes are dramatic For example the method for getting competitive bids differs substantially from the arms-length/one-step fax or email attack process we recommended several years ago At other times the changes are small but represent worthwhile improvements The suggested wording in the note you’ll send dealers is fine-tuned often The package you’d receive today will typically include several insightful changes compared to the one you ordered years ago The Cost Of This Unique Package 4495 Includes all the information you need for any one vehicle Additional vehicles: 1500 each More than half of our customers add one or more additional vehicles as fall-back alternatives This could become a small but wise 1500 decision if you find it difficult to deal on your first choice Considering the substantial cost of the new vehicle you’re about to buy or lease isn’t this a relatively small price to pay for the comprehensive Fighting Chance information package Important Note: This is a service 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There are indispensable game-changing facts about the new-car business that the industry and those big auto-info websites have hidden from you for decades – facts that shift the negotiating leverage from the dealers to you Someone needed the hunger for the truth the tenacity to uncover it and the guts to reveal it to you I was the only candidate James Bragg As a result: over 145000 new-car shoppers have used the Fighting Chance 3-step competitive bidding process to get the lowest price possible without walking into a single car store to haggle! With this empowering guide to buying or leasing a new car you’ll be in total control conducting the process from your home or office among several dealers that you choose The guide teaches you exactly what to say and do and when to do it And unlike every other new-car info site we’ll be here to answer your questions by phone every step of the way eg If you’re leasing we’ll go through the best-offer numbers with you before you sign the papers You Need The Whole Truth About The New-Car Business And This Is The Only Website Where You’ll Find It WARNING! Because I’m opening your eyes to the truth they’ve all been hiding our facts and action recommendations contradict EVERYTHING you’re being told and encouraged to do by TrueCar Edmunds Kelley Blue Book Carscom Consumer Reports and the other big new-car info sites which get all their revenue from the automakers and dealers they send you to For openers no dealer wants you to understand this: Every new car is a commodity the same vehicle with the same price structure at every dealership In the art of the deal the winner is always the one with the leverage And there’s ZERO LEVERAGE in walking into a car store and haggling You’re playing an away game and no one there is rooting for your team That dealer’s competitor isn’t the other brands it’s the other dealers who sell his brand And the winning leverage always comes from having several of them compete for your business Here’s an example: A customer got 9 dealers to compete for a redesigned 2017 Honda CR-V without leaving his home or office and paid 1090 below invoice The eight other bids were 900 below 510 below 410 below 180 below and 300 over invoice 460 over 530 over and 930 over – a 2020 spread from low to high! The winning Sales Manager said This is the only smart way to buy a car But if everyone did it this way we’d be out of business And that store may have been the next month’s high bidder depending on how it was doing then vs its target Question: What should we have told him was a good price for that car Any number we mentioned would have been bone stupid And that’s true for any car you want Either you repeat the same conventional doctrines everybody is saying or else you say something true and it will sound like it’s from Neptune – Noam Chomsky Why aren’t those auto-info old-boy clubs Kelley Blue Book Edmunds TrueCar carscom Consumer Reports etc telling you this Because they pocket referral fees of 300 to 500 when you buy a car from dealers in their networks – money which comes from your pocket They’re in business to help dealers sell cars profitably not to help you get the lowest price If they told you the truth they’d be out of business tomorrow Our customers almost always beat their prices frequently by a lot That’s why over half of our orders come from previous customers and their referrals No Auto-Info Site Can Serve Two Masters He Serves Just One: You The New-Car Buyer Founder James Bragg a Yale and Harvard Business School graduate is a career-long change agent who has always challenged conventional wisdom With 25 years and over 65000 hours focused solely on this subject he’s the country’s most knowledgeable new-car buyers’ consumer advocate And unlike every old-boy club source of new-car info and advice including Consumer Reports he’s never taken a dime from dealers or automakers As a result he’s become the sole source of the long-hidden truth about the dealer invoice price dealer cash incentives and the only smart way to buy a new car in today’s market His Discovery That The Invoice Price Has Nothing To Do WithAny Dealer Cost Shocked Consumer Reports Into Killing ItsNew Car Price Service a major cash cow Since 1983! In November 2012 he proved to that organization and four other auto-info biggies that the dealer invoice price has had no relationship to any vehicle’s cost since 1994 invalidating the core assumption behind their target price advice The effectiveness of that ancient invoice-based negotiating approach is dead as a doornail Embarrassed by its two-decade failure to recognize that obvious fact Consumer Reports dumped its legendary ‘cash cow’ New Car Price Service – the one they claimed would tell you the dealer’s true cost which hasn’t been true for 23 years Can there be any stronger evidence that the way to get the best price has changed forever It is almost impossible to carry the torch of truth through a crowd without singeing somebody’s beard – George Christoph Lichtenberg NEW-CAR SALES HAVE HIT A WALL AND THAT PUTS YOU IN THE DRIVER’S SEAT The pent-up demand from the recession has been satisfied 2015 was the last growth year with sales up 57 A 3 gain was forecast in 2016 but result was 03 Sales slipped 18 last year to 172 million about 300000 units behind 2016 Overall sales could drop below 17 million this year for the first time in three years January-August sales inched up just 11 but that tiny gain was based mainly on increased fleet sales to rental car companies and businesses not retail sales And over the last 5 years September sales have averaged 15 lower than August’s As a result the market is more competitive than ever with automakers spending more on incentives to move the metal In a word you’ve got more deal-making leverage than you’ve had in years Why am I the only one telling you these facts Because if the big new-car info and buying services did they’d jeopardize their entire revenue stream which comes from dealers and automakers not you For 25 years I’ve been on a mission to unearth and expose the long-hidden truths that Consumer Reports TrueCar Edmunds Carscom Kelley Blue Book and the auto industry don’t want you to know Those facts demolish all their conventional wisdom about how to buy a car and they transfer the negotiating leverage from the dealers to you Isn’t it time you stopped looking at the way to buy a new car through their rear-view mirrors PS Will you visit me when I enter the witness protection program JAMES BRAGG HOW TO ORDER THE PACKAGE AND WHEN AND HOW YOU’LL GET IT To place an order on our secure encrypted order form click on the Ordering link in the upper left column If you’d prefer to place a phone order or if you have questions that aren’t answered on our web site you may call our order desk at 1-562-433-8489 between 9:15AM and 4:00PM Pacific time Monday through Friday To see the vehicles for which we have pricing info click on the Auto Pricing link in that column Normal Delivery Timing: 99 of our customers request email delivery This is a tiny information boutique We usually send email orders by the next business day — with one exception this fall My assistant who sends the orders is a college grad school student who’s in class all day Tuesday this semester SO LATE MONDAY ORDERS AND ALL TUESDAY’S WILL USUALLY BE EMAILED TO CUSTOMERS ON WEDNESDAY We’ll be here 562-433-8489 to answer your questions and analyze your best lease offer weekdays between 9:15 AM and 4:00 PM Pacific time For a sneak peek at what you’ll get for 4495 scroll down to What’s In The Fighting Chance Package The Dealer Invoice Price Has Become a Bloated Imposter That Has Had Nothing To Do With Any New Car’s Real Cost For Twenty Three Years! And The Industry Moves It Further From Any Cost As noted above Bragg proved it to senior execs of Consumer Reports Kelley Blue Book Edmunds Carscom and TrueCar in a 11/27/12 USA TODAY Automotive Roundtable discussion of whether online car shopping and information services are believable and are relevant in today’s market To see it click here You could have heard a pin drop Incredibly no one was aware of a game-changing fact that had been in front of their noses for 17 years! It’s their worst nightmare because it exposes their pay what others paid as terrible advice Bragg asked the Consumer Reports person Who’s been running your New Car Price Service for the past 20 years Rip Van Winkle He was not amused To read much of the USA TODAY Don’t Trust That Invoice Price write-up on that meeting in which Bragg was dubbed a peppery contrarian click here To understand how laughable new-car pricing is today check out the tiny percentage differences between the base invoice and retail/sticker prices for each brand: Acura/5-7 Audi/7 BMW/6 Buick/4-5 Cadillac/5 Chevy/5-7 Dodge/3-4 Ford/1-7 Genesis/5-7 GMC/5-7 Honda/3-9 Hyundai/3-7 Infiniti/7 Jeep/2-5 Kia/5-7 Lexus/5-8 Lincoln/4-5 Mazda/3-5 Mercedes/7 Mitsubishi/2-3 Nissan/2-7 Ram/4-9 Subaru/5-7 Toyota/4-9 VW/4-5 Volvo/6 And that’s if you pay the full sticker price! Who does that The guy who thinks Taco Bell is a Mexican phone company Add the fact that dealerships have an overhead expense of 12 to 15 of revenue and you’d have to be brain dead to believe the invoice price is in the same area code as any cost number The auto industry is having a good laugh at how gullible we are It’s even flipping us off now with pricing for the Chrysler Pacific Hybrid minivan: Invoice 44895 Retail 44995! Yet all the info and advice on those big auto-info websites is based on our swallowing – hook line and sinker – the preposterous notion that for decades automakers have been telling everyone what their dealers pay for their cars If that were true dealers would go ballistic But they don’t and they never did even before the Internet arrived Your responsibility as a person is to constantly update your positions on as many things as possible If you don’t contradict yourself regularly you’re not thinking – Malcolm Gladwell The inside story of the discovery of that game-changing fact is told in our book Letting The Cat Out Of The Bag: How The Auto Industry ‘Redesigned’ The Dealer invoice Price When The Internet Arrived available in paperback and Kindle format at Amazon To read the back cover copy Preface Table of Contents and the first four chapters click here If you’d like a author-signed copy 1495 including postage you can add that to your order for the Fighting Chance information package Here’s Bragg’s Take On Those Consumer Auto Pricing Sites Those sites are: a pitching the range of what other clueless shoppers have paid as the holy grail of transaction prices b using rebates which everyone gets and a comparison of their prices to the full sticker price which almost no one pays to inflate their claims of savings from using their services and c sending you on a ‘milk run’ to a small number of dealers in their networks who relish the thought of selling you a car at those prices and reward those conduit sites handsomely with the advertising and/or finder’s fees of 300 to 500 that comes out of your pocket Question: When you’re thinking about getting a new car are you sitting there saying Gee I hope I get a price that’s close to what everyone else is paying We don’t get to choose what is trueWe only get to choose what we do about it – Kami Garcia These Are The Facts About How Most Dealer Incentive Programs Work Today It’s 2018 not 1994 and that world isn’t flat anymore it’s round 90 of the bucks spent on dealer cash are in multi-month programs based on total sales targets and subjective issues like customers’ ratings of their selling dealerships NOT on sales of specific vehicles The rewards can be five to six-figure bonuses Some are stair-step promotions in which per-vehicle bonuses increase as dealers reach higher volume thresholds And no one can tell you any dealership’s target or performance level or when these programs start and end So reaching interim monthly goals along the way is crucially important There’s a lot of seasonality in the business and dealers can’t go into the last month 15 behind where they should have been based on that seasonal pattern That keeps steady sales pressure on month after month Dealers trailing their monthly targets near month-end will sell for much less and that’s likely to be different dealers each month WHAT’S IN THE FIGHTING CHANCE PACKAGE You’ll have the only independent unbiased source of truthful information and powerful negotiating advice on the Internet We’ve been focused single-mindedly on this subject since before the Dead Sea got sick and much of our knowledge has come from our customers’ feedback You’ll have us as your coaches as you go through the process Got a question Call us Want to run the numbers before you sign a lease Call us There’s no such thing as a silly question here In the package’s centerpiece How The PhoneEmail Attack Can Get You The Best Deal Saving You Time Money and Aggravation you’ll learn exactly what to do and say each step of the way as you conduct a competitive bidding process from your home or office Ideally you’ll enlist 9 or 10 dealers that you choose to make price proposals and you’ll go with the winner We also tell you the best day of each month to start the process You’ll receive our signature Big Picture analysis of how the brands and the specific vehicles you’re interested in have been doing in the market Are your model’s sales up or down Does the average dealer sell 2 per month or 22 This piece also reveals the current holdback information for brands that use it several don’t You’ll get the complete current sticker/MSRP and dealer invoice pricing data for the vehicles you’re considering covering all the trim levels and equipment packages Here’s a current list of model pricing available You’ll also get these insightful fact-based articles by Mr Bragg most of them information no other auto-info site will tell you Focus only on those relevant to your purchase or lease How We Abandoned Our Inborn Common Sense About New-Car Pricing How The Industry Has Turned The Invoice Price Into A Bloated ImposterBy Continually Raising It By More Than The MSRP For Over Two Decades How New-Car Dealers Make The Big Bucks And How They Don’t Today Incentives Often Differ From Market To Market Here’s How To Check The Offers Where You Are The Two Big ‘Fake News’ Come-ons To Ignore The Myth Of Vehicle-Specific Dealer Cash Incentives The Crucial Financial Importance Of A Dealership’s Customer Satisfaction Rating Important Note On The Pricing Of Dealer-Installed Accessories Can You Get The Vehicle Configuration You Want Things To Consider About Placing A Factory Order Have You Chosen A Crashworthy Vehicle Thoughts On Buying A Demo Or Last Year’s Leftover Model Should You Buy An Extended Warranty Dealing With A Trade-In If you tell us you have one Leasing 101: The Straight Skinny If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Here’s The Information We Need To Analyze Your ‘Best-Offer’ Lease Numbers With You If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Our unique package includes all the information you need to negotiate the best price on for any one vehicle You may place an order here on a secure encrypted order form at any time Special Message To Previous Customers The Fighting Chance package is always changing to reflect new knowledge and the best ways to deal with the changing realities in the retail car business Sometimes the changes are dramatic For example the method for getting competitive bids differs substantially from the arms-length/one-step fax or email attack process we recommended several years ago At other times the changes are small but represent worthwhile improvements The suggested wording in the note you’ll send dealers is fine-tuned often The package you’d receive today will typically include several insightful changes compared to the one you ordered years ago The Cost Of This Unique Package 4495 Includes all the information you need for any one vehicle Additional vehicles: 1500 each More than half of our customers add one or more additional vehicles as fall-back alternatives This could become a small but wise 1500 decision if you find it difficult to deal on your first choice Considering the substantial cost of the new vehicle you’re about to buy or lease isn’t this a relatively small price to pay for the comprehensive Fighting Chance information package Important Note: This is a service 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JAMES BRAGG HOW TO ORDER THE PACKAGE AND WHEN AND HOW YOU’LL GET IT To place an order on our secure encrypted order form click on the Ordering link in the upper left column If you’d prefer to place a phone order or if you have questions that aren’t answered on our web site you may call our order desk at 1-562-433-8489 between 9:15AM and 4:00PM Pacific time Monday through Friday To see the vehicles for which we have pricing info click on the Auto Pricing link in that column Normal Delivery Timing: 99 of our customers request email delivery This is a tiny information boutique We usually send email orders by the next business day — with one exception this fall My assistant who sends the orders is a college grad school student who’s in class all day Tuesday this semester SO LATE MONDAY ORDERS AND ALL TUESDAY’S WILL USUALLY BE EMAILED TO CUSTOMERS ON WEDNESDAY We’ll be here 562-433-8489 to answer your questions and analyze your best lease offer weekdays between 9:15 AM and 4:00 PM Pacific time For a sneak peek at what you’ll get for 4495 scroll down to What’s In The Fighting Chance Package The Dealer Invoice Price Has Become a Bloated Imposter That Has Had Nothing To Do With Any New Car’s Real Cost For Twenty Three Years! And The Industry Moves It Further From Any Cost As noted above Bragg proved it to senior execs of Consumer Reports Kelley Blue Book Edmunds Carscom and TrueCar in a 11/27/12 USA TODAY Automotive Roundtable discussion of whether online car shopping and information services are believable and are relevant in today’s market To see it click here You could have heard a pin drop Incredibly no one was aware of a game-changing fact that had been in front of their noses for 17 years! It’s their worst nightmare because it exposes their pay what others paid as terrible advice Bragg asked the Consumer Reports person Who’s been running your New Car Price Service for the past 20 years Rip Van Winkle He was not amused To read much of the USA TODAY Don’t Trust That Invoice Price write-up on that meeting in which Bragg was dubbed a peppery contrarian click here To understand how laughable new-car pricing is today check out the tiny percentage differences between the base invoice and retail/sticker prices for each brand: Acura/5-7 Audi/7 BMW/6 Buick/4-5 Cadillac/5 Chevy/5-7 Dodge/3-4 Ford/1-7 Genesis/5-7 GMC/5-7 Honda/3-9 Hyundai/3-7 Infiniti/7 Jeep/2-5 Kia/5-7 Lexus/5-8 Lincoln/4-5 Mazda/3-5 Mercedes/7 Mitsubishi/2-3 Nissan/2-7 Ram/4-9 Subaru/5-7 Toyota/4-9 VW/4-5 Volvo/6 And that’s if you pay the full sticker price! Who does that The guy who thinks Taco Bell is a Mexican phone company Add the fact that dealerships have an overhead expense of 12 to 15 of revenue and you’d have to be brain dead to believe the invoice price is in the same area code as any cost number The auto industry is having a good laugh at how gullible we are It’s even flipping us off now with pricing for the Chrysler Pacific Hybrid minivan: Invoice 44895 Retail 44995! Yet all the info and advice on those big auto-info websites is based on our swallowing – hook line and sinker – the preposterous notion that for decades automakers have been telling everyone what their dealers pay for their cars If that were true dealers would go ballistic But they don’t and they never did even before the Internet arrived Your responsibility as a person is to constantly update your positions on as many things as possible If you don’t contradict yourself regularly you’re not thinking – Malcolm Gladwell The inside story of the discovery of that game-changing fact is told in our book Letting The Cat Out Of The Bag: How The Auto Industry ‘Redesigned’ The Dealer invoice Price When The Internet Arrived available in paperback and Kindle format at Amazon To read the back cover copy Preface Table of Contents and the first four chapters click here If you’d like a author-signed copy 1495 including postage you can add that to your order for the Fighting Chance information package Here’s Bragg’s Take On Those Consumer Auto Pricing Sites Those sites are: a pitching the range of what other clueless shoppers have paid as the holy grail of transaction prices b using rebates which everyone gets and a comparison of their prices to the full sticker price which almost no one pays to inflate their claims of savings from using their services and c sending you on a ‘milk run’ to a small number of dealers in their networks who relish the thought of selling you a car at those prices and reward those conduit sites handsomely with the advertising and/or finder’s fees of 300 to 500 that comes out of your pocket Question: When you’re thinking about getting a new car are you sitting there saying Gee I hope I get a price that’s close to what everyone else is paying We don’t get to choose what is trueWe only get to choose what we do about it – Kami Garcia These Are The Facts About How Most Dealer Incentive Programs Work Today It’s 2018 not 1994 and that world isn’t flat anymore it’s round 90 of the bucks spent on dealer cash are in multi-month programs based on total sales targets and subjective issues like customers’ ratings of their selling dealerships NOT on sales of specific vehicles The rewards can be five to six-figure bonuses Some are stair-step promotions in which per-vehicle bonuses increase as dealers reach higher volume thresholds And no one can tell you any dealership’s target or performance level or when these programs start and end So reaching interim monthly goals along the way is crucially important There’s a lot of seasonality in the business and dealers can’t go into the last month 15 behind where they should have been based on that seasonal pattern That keeps steady sales pressure on month after month Dealers trailing their monthly targets near month-end will sell for much less and that’s likely to be different dealers each month WHAT’S IN THE FIGHTING CHANCE PACKAGE You’ll have the only independent unbiased source of truthful information and powerful negotiating advice on the Internet We’ve been focused single-mindedly on this subject since before the Dead Sea got sick and much of our knowledge has come from our customers’ feedback You’ll have us as your coaches as you go through the process Got a question Call us Want to run the numbers before you sign a lease Call us There’s no such thing as a silly question here In the package’s centerpiece How The PhoneEmail Attack Can Get You The Best Deal Saving You Time Money and Aggravation you’ll learn exactly what to do and say each step of the way as you conduct a competitive bidding process from your home or office Ideally you’ll enlist 9 or 10 dealers that you choose to make price proposals and you’ll go with the winner We also tell you the best day of each month to start the process You’ll receive our signature Big Picture analysis of how the brands and the specific vehicles you’re interested in have been doing in the market Are your model’s sales up or down Does the average dealer sell 2 per month or 22 This piece also reveals the current holdback information for brands that use it several don’t You’ll get the complete current sticker/MSRP and dealer invoice pricing data for the vehicles you’re considering covering all the trim levels and equipment packages Here’s a current list of model pricing available You’ll also get these insightful fact-based articles by Mr Bragg most of them information no other auto-info site will tell you Focus only on those relevant to your purchase or lease How We Abandoned Our Inborn Common Sense About New-Car Pricing How The Industry Has Turned The Invoice Price Into A Bloated ImposterBy Continually Raising It By More Than The MSRP For Over Two Decades How New-Car Dealers Make The Big Bucks And How They Don’t Today Incentives Often Differ From Market To Market Here’s How To Check The Offers Where You Are The Two Big ‘Fake News’ Come-ons To Ignore The Myth Of Vehicle-Specific Dealer Cash Incentives The Crucial Financial Importance Of A Dealership’s Customer Satisfaction Rating Important Note On The Pricing Of Dealer-Installed Accessories Can You Get The Vehicle Configuration You Want Things To Consider About Placing A Factory Order Have You Chosen A Crashworthy Vehicle Thoughts On Buying A Demo Or Last Year’s Leftover Model Should You Buy An Extended Warranty Dealing With A Trade-In If you tell us you have one Leasing 101: The Straight Skinny If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Here’s The Information We Need To Analyze Your ‘Best-Offer’ Lease Numbers With You If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Our unique package includes all the information you need to negotiate the best price on for any one vehicle You may place an order here on a secure encrypted order form at any time Special Message To Previous Customers The Fighting Chance package is always changing to reflect new knowledge and the best ways to deal with the changing realities in the retail car business Sometimes the 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– Noam Chomsky Why aren’t those auto-info old-boy clubs Kelley Blue Book Edmunds TrueCar carscom Consumer Reports etc telling you this Because they pocket referral fees of 300 to 500 when you buy a car from dealers in their networks – money which comes from your pocket They’re in business to help dealers sell cars profitably not to help you get the lowest price If they told you the truth they’d be out of business tomorrow Our customers almost always beat their prices frequently by a lot That’s why over half of our orders come from previous customers and their referrals No Auto-Info Site Can Serve Two Masters He Serves Just One: You The New-Car Buyer Founder James Bragg a Yale and Harvard Business School graduate is a career-long change agent who has always challenged conventional wisdom With 25 years and over 65000 hours focused solely on this subject he’s the country’s most knowledgeable new-car buyers’ consumer advocate And unlike every old-boy club source of new-car info and advice including Consumer Reports he’s never taken a dime from dealers or automakers As a result he’s become the sole source of the long-hidden truth about the dealer invoice price dealer cash incentives and the only smart way to buy a new car in today’s market His Discovery That The Invoice Price Has Nothing To Do WithAny Dealer Cost Shocked Consumer Reports Into Killing ItsNew Car Price Service a major cash cow Since 1983! In November 2012 he proved to that organization and four other auto-info biggies that the dealer invoice price has had no relationship to any vehicle’s cost since 1994 invalidating the core assumption behind their target price advice The effectiveness of that ancient invoice-based negotiating approach is dead as a doornail Embarrassed by its two-decade failure to recognize that obvious fact Consumer Reports dumped its legendary ‘cash cow’ New Car Price Service – the one they claimed would tell you the dealer’s true cost which hasn’t been true for 23 years Can there be any stronger evidence that the way to get the best price has changed forever It is almost impossible to carry the torch of truth through a crowd without singeing somebody’s beard – George Christoph Lichtenberg NEW-CAR SALES HAVE HIT A WALL AND THAT PUTS YOU IN THE DRIVER’S SEAT The pent-up demand from the recession has been satisfied 2015 was the last growth year with sales up 57 A 3 gain was forecast in 2016 but result was 03 Sales slipped 18 last year to 172 million about 300000 units behind 2016 Overall sales could drop below 17 million this year for the first time in three years January-August sales inched up just 11 but that tiny gain was based mainly on increased fleet sales to rental car companies and businesses not retail sales And over the last 5 years September sales have averaged 15 lower than August’s As a result the market is more competitive than ever with automakers spending more on incentives to move the metal In a word you’ve got more deal-making leverage than you’ve had in years Why am I the only one telling you these facts Because if the big new-car info and buying services did they’d jeopardize their entire revenue stream which comes from dealers and automakers not you For 25 years I’ve been on a mission to unearth and expose the long-hidden truths that Consumer Reports TrueCar Edmunds Carscom Kelley Blue Book and the auto industry don’t want you to know Those facts demolish all their conventional wisdom about how to buy a car and they transfer the negotiating leverage from the dealers to you Isn’t it time you stopped looking at the way to buy a new car through their rear-view mirrors PS Will you visit me when I enter the witness protection program JAMES BRAGG HOW TO ORDER THE PACKAGE AND WHEN AND HOW YOU’LL GET IT To place an order on our secure encrypted order form click on the Ordering link in the upper left column If you’d prefer to place a phone order or if you have questions that aren’t answered on our web site you may call our order desk at 1-562-433-8489 between 9:15AM and 4:00PM Pacific time Monday through Friday To see the vehicles for which we have pricing info click on the Auto Pricing link in that column Normal Delivery Timing: 99 of our customers request email delivery This is a tiny information boutique We usually send email orders by the next business day — with one exception this fall My assistant who sends the orders is a college grad school student who’s in class all day Tuesday this semester SO LATE MONDAY ORDERS AND ALL TUESDAY’S WILL USUALLY BE EMAILED TO CUSTOMERS ON WEDNESDAY We’ll be here 562-433-8489 to answer your questions and analyze your best lease offer weekdays between 9:15 AM and 4:00 PM Pacific time For a sneak peek at what you’ll get for 4495 scroll down to What’s In The Fighting Chance Package The Dealer Invoice Price Has Become a Bloated Imposter That Has Had Nothing To Do With Any New Car’s Real Cost For Twenty Three Years! And The Industry Moves It Further From Any Cost As noted above Bragg proved it to senior execs of Consumer Reports Kelley Blue Book Edmunds Carscom and TrueCar in a 11/27/12 USA TODAY Automotive Roundtable discussion of whether online car shopping and information services are believable and are relevant in today’s market To see it click here You could have heard a pin drop Incredibly no one was aware of a game-changing fact that had been in front of their noses for 17 years! It’s their worst nightmare because it exposes their pay what others paid as terrible advice Bragg asked the Consumer Reports person Who’s been running your New Car Price Service for the past 20 years Rip Van Winkle He was not amused To read much of the USA TODAY Don’t Trust That Invoice Price write-up on that meeting in which Bragg was dubbed a peppery contrarian click here To understand how laughable new-car pricing is today check out the tiny percentage differences between the base invoice and retail/sticker prices for each brand: Acura/5-7 Audi/7 BMW/6 Buick/4-5 Cadillac/5 Chevy/5-7 Dodge/3-4 Ford/1-7 Genesis/5-7 GMC/5-7 Honda/3-9 Hyundai/3-7 Infiniti/7 Jeep/2-5 Kia/5-7 Lexus/5-8 Lincoln/4-5 Mazda/3-5 Mercedes/7 Mitsubishi/2-3 Nissan/2-7 Ram/4-9 Subaru/5-7 Toyota/4-9 VW/4-5 Volvo/6 And that’s if you pay the full sticker price! Who does that The guy who thinks Taco Bell is a Mexican phone company Add the fact that dealerships have an overhead expense of 12 to 15 of revenue and you’d have to be brain dead to believe the invoice price is in the same area code as any cost number The auto industry is having a good laugh at how gullible we are It’s even flipping us off now with pricing for the Chrysler Pacific Hybrid minivan: Invoice 44895 Retail 44995! Yet all the info and advice on those big auto-info websites is based on our swallowing – hook line and sinker – the preposterous notion that for decades automakers have been telling everyone what their dealers pay for their cars If that were true dealers would go ballistic But they don’t and they never did even before the Internet arrived Your responsibility as a person is to constantly update your positions on as many things as possible If you don’t contradict yourself regularly you’re not thinking – Malcolm Gladwell The inside story of the discovery of that game-changing fact is told in our book Letting The Cat Out Of The Bag: How The Auto Industry ‘Redesigned’ The Dealer invoice Price When The Internet Arrived available in paperback and Kindle format at Amazon To read the back cover copy Preface Table of Contents and the first four chapters click here If you’d like a author-signed copy 1495 including postage you can add that to your order for the Fighting Chance information package Here’s Bragg’s Take On Those Consumer Auto Pricing Sites Those sites are: a pitching the range of what other clueless shoppers have paid as the holy grail of transaction prices b using rebates which everyone gets and a comparison of their prices to the full sticker price which almost no one pays to inflate their claims of savings from using their services and c sending you on a ‘milk run’ to a small number of dealers in their networks who relish the thought of selling you a car at those prices and reward those conduit sites handsomely with the advertising and/or finder’s fees of 300 to 500 that comes out of your pocket Question: When you’re thinking about getting a new car are you sitting there saying Gee I hope I get a price that’s close to what everyone else is paying We don’t get to choose what is trueWe only get to choose what we do about it – Kami Garcia These Are The Facts About How Most Dealer Incentive Programs Work Today It’s 2018 not 1994 and that world isn’t flat anymore it’s round 90 of the bucks spent on dealer cash are in multi-month programs based on total sales targets and subjective issues like customers’ ratings of their selling dealerships NOT on sales of specific vehicles The rewards can be five to six-figure bonuses Some are stair-step promotions in which per-vehicle bonuses increase as dealers reach higher volume thresholds And no one can tell you any dealership’s target or performance level or when these programs start and end So reaching interim monthly goals along the way is crucially important There’s a lot of seasonality in the business and dealers can’t go into the last month 15 behind where they should have been based on that seasonal pattern That keeps steady sales pressure on month after month Dealers trailing their monthly targets near month-end will sell for much less and that’s likely to be different dealers each month WHAT’S IN THE FIGHTING CHANCE PACKAGE You’ll have the only independent unbiased source of truthful information and powerful negotiating advice on the Internet We’ve been focused single-mindedly on this subject since before the Dead Sea got sick and much of our knowledge has come from our customers’ feedback You’ll have us as your coaches as you go through the process Got a question Call us Want to run the numbers before you sign a lease Call us There’s no such thing as a silly question here In the package’s centerpiece How The PhoneEmail Attack Can Get You The Best Deal Saving You Time Money and Aggravation you’ll learn exactly what to do and say each step of the way as you conduct a competitive bidding process from your home or office Ideally you’ll enlist 9 or 10 dealers that you choose to make price proposals and you’ll go with the winner We also tell you the best day of each month to start the process You’ll receive our signature Big Picture analysis of how the brands and the specific vehicles you’re interested in have been doing in the market Are your model’s sales up or down Does the 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19th March 2010 Announcing PRE-Flight Version 6 Version 6 is a huge graphical improvement over the previous version which puts PRE-Flight on top with the best graphics ever on an RC Simulator! Click here for full details of the new PRE-Flight version 6 Here’s a short list on what’s new in PRE-Flight’s latest version: Advanced Intelligent Rendering or AIR – allowing brilliant but FAST graphics Photovolume Technology which smoothly translates Photoscenery Objects into 3D space so that you can fly around and even experience collisions with photorealistic objects! Reactive Liquid Surfaces which ACCURATELY simulates water reflections waves ripples and even bobbing objects Movie Textures – watch movies while you fly New Advanced Lighting Rendering for the highest Realism possible Realistic Reflection Effects New Shadows Rendering – both on ground and on objects themselves! New Smoke Effects Exciting Zoom and Transmitter Views Plus Much More Click here for full details Don’t take our word for it download the free Demo here and see for yourself Then when you’re convinced that PRE-Flight is the prettiest simulator you’ve ever seen get your full version here 18th October 2009 Announcing the PRE-Flight Control Wizard Version 5 Transcendental Technologies is pleased to announce PRE-Flight Version 5 – which includes the powerful PRE-Flight Control Wizard PRE-Flight’s latest version now includes the powerful Control Wizard which can simulate a full-function RC Transmitter Save money by using an inexpensive 4-channel transmitter and have the Wizard convert it to an 8-channel full-function computer TX worth hundreds of dollars with features like stunt modes 9-point curves exponential dedicated heli and plane modes retractable landing gear flaps and much more – all within minutes PRE-Flight’s Control Wizard quickly configures any compatible Transmitter to use all available channels perfectly at the same time adding channels and functions if required Accomodates Mode 1 or 2 CCPM mixing 4-16 channels RC Transmitters with PFUSB and USB game-type controllers Not only will the Wizard configure and enhance it will also inform about various RC concepts and terms Learn about Helicopter flying modes what Plane flaps do what exponential is – a quick run through the Wizard is like spending a few hours with an expert flying instructor! Owners of full versions of PRE-Flight ver 270 or higher click here for your free update to the latest version 512 This announcement and other important news is also available thru the PRE-Flight Google Group Click here for more info on PRE-Flight Control Wizard If you would like email notifications of PRE-Flight announcements please join the PRE-Flight Google Group Membership is free and announcements are PRE-Flight specific only Your email addresses are spam-protected 26th August 2009 Announcing – for a limited time only – free 3D Glasses included free with PRE-Flightconditions apply Transcendental Technologies is pleased to announce PRE-Flight Version 4 – the first and only RC Flight Simulator using advanced 3D viewing technology without the need for expensive and cumbersome 3D hardware Now for a limited time only a pair of high-quality PRE-Flight 3D Glasses are now included free with the full version of PRE-Flight with USB and cable conditions apply If you’re ready to experience the next stage in the evolution of RC Simulation click here for a free upgrade for your full version copy of PRE-Flight ver 300 and higher or buy the full version here This announcement and other important news is also available thru the PRE-Flight Google Group Click here for more info on PRE-Flight 3D If you would like email notifications of PRE-Flight announcements please join the PRE-Flight Google Group Membership is free and announcements are PRE-Flight specific only Your email addresses are spam-protected 12th August 2009 Announcing PRE-Flight 3D Version 4 Transcendental Technologies is pleased to announce PRE-Flight Version 4 – the first and only RC Flight Simulator using advanced 3D viewing technology without the need for expensive and cumbersome 3D hardware Using only inexpensive PRE-Flight 3D Glasses or even freebie colored glasses that you can get from the video shop or from those popular 3D movies or even Build-It-Yourself PRE-Flight’s 3D Video technology adds a whole new dimension to RC Flight Simulation with minimal cost Combined with full 3D sound PRE-Flight provides the fully-immersive experience producing total realism in RC flying If you don’t have any 3D glasses handy or don’t feel like making your own PRE-Flight also supports the use of cross-eye 3D viewing – or even plain vanilla-flavored 20th century 2D viewing If you’re ready to experience the next stage in the evolution of RC Simulation click here for a free upgrade for your full version copy of PRE-Flight ver 300 and higher or buy the full version here This announcement and other important news is also available thru the PRE-Flight Google Group Click here for more info on PRE-Flight 3D If you would like email notifications of PRE-Flight announcements please join the PRE-Flight Google Group Membership is free and announcements are PRE-Flight specific only Your email addresses are spam-protected 20th July 2009 New Model for free download – Apollo 11 Eagle Moon Lander The Eagle Moon Lander was designed and built by Grumman Aircraft Engineering at a cost of around 350 million Ungainly as it looked the LEM Lunar Excursion Module – its official title was the most reliable component of the Apollo system the only one never to have suffered a major failure Flown into history by Neil Armstrong – the first man to set foot on the moon the LEM was surprisingly fragile A strong finger poke would be enough to puncture its skin which in places was as thin as 2 layers of aluminum foil If you have the right stuff fly this super scale model of the Eagle which features gold foil coverings rocket sound full 6-degrees of freedom controls 1/6th moon gravity physics and more See this web page to download the free model See this web page to download the free PRE-Flight RC Simulator Demo If you would like email notifications of PRE-Flight announcements please join the PRE-Flight Google Group Membership is free and announcements are PRE-Flight specific only Your email addresses are spam-protected 28th June 2009 New Model for free download – Hitler’s Stealth Fighter Horten Ho 229 The Horten Ho 229 was the favorite of Hitler’s Luftwaffe chief Hermann Goering calling it the only aircraft to come close to his 100010001000 requirements – meaning an aircraft that could carry 1000kg of bombs a distance of 1000km at a speed of 1000km/hr Although the Horten was never completed it was so advanced for its time that a reconstruction of it was recently done Apart from its super-efficient flying-wing configuration ejection seat and braking parachute the Horten was to feature a composite skin which was impregnated with charcoal – the first radar-absorbent stealth design in history The plane that might have changed the war is presented by PRE-Flight as a super scale model with highly detailed weapons and moveable controls An unusual sister model included is a variant with stealthy transparent skin which makes internal details like landing gear and cannons visible See this web page to download the free model See this web page to download the free PRE-Flight RC Simulator Demo If you would like email notifications of PRE-Flight announcements please join the PRE-Flight Google Group Membership is free and announcements are PRE-Flight specific only Your email addresses are spam-protected 19th June 2009 New Model for free download – Republic P-47 Thunderbolt The Republic P-47 Thunderbolt the Jug – short for Juggernaut according to the British was superlative in many ways It was the largest heaviest and most expensive piston-powered fighter fighter in history Its 8 50-caliber machine guns made it especially adept against light ground targets and its 2500-pound bomb load was effective against heavy tanks A fully-loaded Jug weighed up to 8 tons and its very size and weight posed operational problems for the Allies Nevertheless the so-called dinosaur was well-liked by pilots not just because of its robustness but also because of conveniences like air-conditioning and spacious interior One unique feature of the Jug was the aft turbosupercharger which operated at over 21000 rpm and gave the 18-cylinder Pratt amp Whitney R-2800 engine over 2500 hp – resulting in a maximum speed of over 430mph This super scale PRE-Flight model of the Jug has highly detailed weapons and moveable controls As usual with PRE-Flight models the Thunderbolt can be painted to reproduce many different paint jobs See this web page to download the free model See this web page to download the free PRE-Flight RC Simulator Demo If you would like email notifications of PRE-Flight announcements please join the PRE-Flight Google Group Membership is free and announcements are PRE-Flight specific only Your email addresses are spam-protected 15th June 2009 New Model for free download – Messerschmitt Me 262 The Messerschmitt Me 262 Schwalbe Swallow was the world’s first operational jet fighter Its maximum speed of over 900kph and tremendous rate of climb of 1200 m/min made it a deadly opponent for even the fastest Allied aircraft Fortunately it was available only in small numbers – not enough to change the outcome of World War II The Me 262 was powered by twin Junkers Jumo Turbojets of 1980 lbs each and armed with 4 30mm cannons It also packed 24 5mm rockets and up to 1000 kg of bombs Hitler first envisioned the Me 262 as a revenge bomber but it was found that its best role was as an interceptor – claiming over 500 Allied kills in its short but devastating career This super scale PRE-Flight model of the Me 262 has highly detailed weapons and moveable controls As usual with PRE-Flight models the Me 262 can be painted to reproduce many different paint jobs See this web page to download the free model See this web page to download the free PRE-Flight RC Simulator Demo If you would like email notifications of PRE-Flight announcements please join the PRE-Flight Google Group Membership is free and announcements are PRE-Flight specific only Your email addresses are spam-protected 31st May 2009 New Model for free download – Gotha GV As WWI unfolded the concept of the battle plane – a heavily-armed fighter – materialized in the German Gotha series This proved no match to the nimble and more lightly-armed fighters and the Gotha was quickly and successfully converted to bomber duty This was a very timely move as the lumbering Zeppellins were proving vulnerable to Allied defences The Gotha was a twin-engined pusher design medium bomber and was well-able to defend itself armed with 2-3 machine guns as well as deliver a decent bombload to a range of up to 840km One unique aspect of the Gotha was an innovative gun tunnel which allowed the rear machine gun to protect from an attack from below This super scale PRE-Flight model of the Gotha has highly detailed weapons and moveable controls as well as a very-detailed cockpit and wooden propellers The control linkages are external to the fuselage in line with the design conventions of the day As usual with PRE-Flight models the Gotha can be painted to reproduce many different paint jobs This model is for PRE-Flight version 210 and higher See this web page to download the free model See this web page to download the free PRE-Flight RC Simulator Demo If you would like email notifications of PRE-Flight announcements please join the PRE-Flight Google Group Membership is free and announcements are PRE-Flight specific only Your email addresses are spam-protected 25th April 2009 New Model for free download – Ju 87 Stuka The Junkers Ju 87 Stuka from German Sturzkampfflugzeug dive bomber was designed from the beginning as a dive bomber and this role it performed brilliantly It was capable of very precise bombing – diving up to 90-degree angles then automatically pulling out of the dive after bomb-release This automatic feature was required as pulling from the 600kph-plus dive usually blacked-out the pilot The Stuka was a true terror weapon and was equipped with a specially designed siren nicknamed the Jericho Trumpet which combined with the normal scream of the BMW engine produced the characteristic and for surviving victims unforgettable sound preceeding the usual deadly pinpoint-precision bomb explosion This super scale PRE-Flight model of the Stuka has highly detailed weapons and moveable controls As usual with PRE-Flight models the Stuka can be painted to reproduce many different paint jobs as the Stuka found service in almost all fronts This model is for PRE-Flight version 210 and higher See this web page to download the free model See this web page to download the free PRE-Flight RC Simulator Demo If you would like email notifications of PRE-Flight announcements please join the PRE-Flight Google Group Membership is free and announcements are PRE-Flight specific only Your email addresses are spam-protected 19th April 2009 New Model for free download – MQ-9 Reaper The General Atomics MQ-9 Reaper is truly the deadliest Radio-Control RC aircraft ever made This Unmanned Aerial Vehicle UAV can carry a payload of 1700kg and has a maximum endurance of 42 hrs with external tanks making it a truly effective attack and surveilance craft RC’ers will recognize the single-piece flexible main landing gear which is so common in smaller less lethal RC airplanes because of its simplicity The Reaper is gaining wide acceptance in homeland security duties of several nations It is reportedly to be used as a deterrent against the recent activity of pirates due to its very long loiter time This is partly due to its ability for autonomous flight and the fact that several shifts of pilots can fly it remotely in a single mission This download is actually 2 models in one: a 1/4th scale model and the full-sized Reaper with 20-meter wing span The super scale PRE-Flight models of the Reaper features super-high detail Paveway laser-guided bombs accurate operating landing gear moveable control surfaces and even a rotating eyeball camera These models can be painted to reproduce the ever-growing number of Reaper variants in several countries This model is for PRE-Flight version 210 and higher See this web page to download the free model See this web page to download the free PRE-Flight RC Simulator Demo If you would like email notifications of PRE-Flight announcements please join the PRE-Flight Google Group Membership is free and announcements are PRE-Flight specific only Your email addresses are spam-protected 7th April 2009 New Model Added to the T-Rex Edition of PRE-Flight The popular T-Rex 250 is now part of the T-Rex Edition for a total of 5 helicopters The T-Rex 250 is a micro-sized electric helicopter with the usual high quality found in the Align brand Flying weight is about 330 grams with a main rotor diameter of 460mm The PRE-Flight T-Rex 250 model is highly accurate in looks and feel and is user customizable Click here for a screenshot See this page to order 3rd April 2009 New Model for free download – F4U Corsair The Chance Vought F4U Corsair is the longest production run of any piston-powered fighter in US history First flown in 1942 the Corsair was not initially popular due to its unsuitability for carrier landings earning it the name bent wing widow-maker due to numerous landing incidents However its superior fighting performance earned it the Japanese nickname of Whistling Death for the noise made by airflow through the wing root-mounted oil cooler air intakes The specifications of the Corsair was indeed formidable The R-2800 Double Wasp radial engine was supercharged to produce over 2000 horsepower at 20000 ft altitude Armament was 6 50-caliber machine guns making the Corsair effective against Japanese fighters – averaging an incredible 11-to-1 kill ratio This super scale PRE-Flight model of the Corsair is composed of almost 120000 polygons – making it one of the most realistic models available Total model size is over 17MB 88MB zipped It has realistic operating landing gear and moveable controls This model can be painted to reproduce any of the Corsairs of the 7 countries and 2 major conflicts where it found service This model is for PRE-Flight version 210 and higher See this web page to download the free model See this web page to download the free PRE-Flight RC Simulator Demo If you would like email notifications of PRE-Flight announcements please join the PRE-Flight Google Group Membership is free and announcements are PRE-Flight specific only Your email addresses are spam-protected 28th March 2009 Real RC Transmitter Available with PRE-Flight Start off on the right foot – get a real high-quality full-featured Computer RC transmitter as your Simulator Control Then use the same Transmitter to fly all your real RC Helicopters and Planes The Walkera WK-2801 is a robust well-designed full-featured REAL RC Transmitter which you can use to fly REAL RC Helicopters and Planes Easy to set up in both Heli and Plane mode switchable to Mode 1 or Mode 2 without rewiring and is able to control 8 Real RC models heli and plane plus more 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For openers no dealer wants you to understand this: Every new car is a commodity the same vehicle with the same price structure at every dealership In the art of the deal the winner is always the one with the leverage And there’s ZERO LEVERAGE in walking into a car store and haggling You’re playing an away game and no one there is rooting for your team That dealer’s competitor isn’t the other brands it’s the other dealers who sell his brand And the winning leverage always comes from having several of them compete for your business Here’s an example: A customer got 9 dealers to compete for a redesigned 2017 Honda CR-V without leaving his home or office and paid 1090 below invoice The eight other bids were 900 below 510 below 410 below 180 below and 300 over invoice 460 over 530 over and 930 over – a 2020 spread from low to high! The winning Sales Manager said This is the only smart way to buy a car But if everyone did it this way we’d be out of business And that store may have been the next month’s high bidder depending on how it was doing then vs its target Question: What should we have told him was a good price for that car Any number we mentioned would have been bone stupid And that’s true for any car you want Either you repeat the same conventional doctrines everybody is saying or else you say something true and it will sound like it’s from Neptune – Noam Chomsky Why aren’t those auto-info old-boy clubs Kelley Blue Book Edmunds TrueCar carscom Consumer Reports etc telling you this Because they pocket referral fees of 300 to 500 when you buy a car from dealers in their networks – money which comes from your pocket They’re in business to help dealers sell cars profitably not to help you get the lowest price If they told you the truth they’d be out of business tomorrow Our customers almost always beat their prices frequently by a lot That’s why over half of our orders come from previous customers and their referrals No Auto-Info Site Can Serve Two Masters He Serves Just One: You The New-Car Buyer Founder James Bragg a Yale and Harvard Business School graduate is a career-long change agent who has always challenged conventional wisdom With 25 years and over 65000 hours focused solely on this subject he’s the country’s most knowledgeable new-car buyers’ consumer advocate And unlike every old-boy club source of new-car info and advice including Consumer Reports he’s never taken a dime from dealers or automakers As a result he’s become the sole source of the long-hidden truth about the dealer invoice price dealer cash incentives and the only smart way to buy a new car in today’s market His Discovery That The Invoice Price Has Nothing To Do WithAny Dealer Cost Shocked Consumer Reports Into Killing ItsNew Car Price Service a major cash cow Since 1983! In November 2012 he proved to that organization and four other auto-info biggies that the dealer invoice price has had no relationship to any vehicle’s cost since 1994 invalidating the core assumption behind their target price advice The effectiveness of that ancient invoice-based negotiating approach is dead as a doornail Embarrassed by its two-decade failure to recognize that obvious fact Consumer Reports dumped its legendary ‘cash cow’ New Car Price Service – the one they claimed would tell you the dealer’s true cost which hasn’t been true for 23 years Can there be any stronger evidence that the way to get the best price has changed forever It is almost impossible to carry the torch of truth through a crowd without singeing somebody’s beard – George Christoph Lichtenberg NEW-CAR SALES HAVE HIT A WALL AND THAT PUTS YOU IN THE DRIVER’S SEAT The pent-up demand from the recession has been satisfied 2015 was the last growth year with sales up 57 A 3 gain was forecast in 2016 but result was 03 Sales slipped 18 last year to 172 million about 300000 units behind 2016 Overall sales could drop below 17 million this year for the first time in three years January-August sales inched up just 11 but that tiny gain was based mainly on increased fleet sales to rental car companies and businesses not retail sales And over the last 5 years September sales have averaged 15 lower than August’s As a result the market is more competitive than ever with automakers spending more on incentives to move the metal In a word you’ve got more deal-making leverage than you’ve had in years Why am I the only one telling you these facts Because if the big new-car info and buying services did they’d jeopardize their entire revenue stream which comes from dealers and automakers not you For 25 years I’ve been on a mission to unearth and expose the long-hidden truths that Consumer Reports TrueCar Edmunds Carscom Kelley Blue Book and the auto industry don’t want you to know Those facts demolish all their conventional wisdom about how to buy a car and they transfer the negotiating leverage from the dealers to you Isn’t it time you stopped looking at the way to buy a new car through their rear-view mirrors PS Will you visit me when I enter the witness protection program JAMES BRAGG HOW TO ORDER THE PACKAGE AND WHEN AND HOW YOU’LL GET IT To place an order on our secure encrypted order form click on the Ordering link in the upper left column If you’d prefer to place a phone order or if you have questions that aren’t answered on our web site you may call our order desk at 1-562-433-8489 between 9:15AM and 4:00PM Pacific time Monday through Friday To see the vehicles for which we have pricing info click on the Auto Pricing link in that column Normal Delivery Timing: 99 of our customers request email delivery This is a tiny information boutique We usually send email orders by the next business day — with one exception this fall My assistant who sends the orders is a college grad school student who’s in class all day Tuesday this semester SO LATE MONDAY ORDERS AND ALL TUESDAY’S WILL USUALLY BE EMAILED TO CUSTOMERS ON WEDNESDAY We’ll be here 562-433-8489 to answer your questions and analyze your best lease offer weekdays between 9:15 AM and 4:00 PM Pacific time For a sneak peek at what you’ll get for 4495 scroll down to What’s In The Fighting Chance Package The Dealer Invoice Price Has Become a Bloated Imposter That Has Had Nothing To Do With Any New Car’s Real Cost For Twenty Three Years! And The Industry Moves It Further From Any Cost As noted above Bragg proved it to senior execs of Consumer Reports Kelley Blue Book Edmunds Carscom and TrueCar in a 11/27/12 USA TODAY Automotive Roundtable discussion of whether online car shopping and information services are believable and are relevant in today’s market To see it click here You could have heard a pin drop Incredibly no one was aware of a game-changing fact that had been in front of their noses for 17 years! It’s their worst nightmare because it exposes their pay what others paid as terrible advice Bragg asked the Consumer Reports person Who’s been running your New Car Price Service for the past 20 years Rip Van Winkle He was not amused To read much of the USA TODAY Don’t Trust That Invoice Price write-up on that meeting in which Bragg was dubbed a peppery contrarian click here To understand how laughable new-car pricing is today check out the tiny percentage differences between the base invoice and retail/sticker prices for each brand: Acura/5-7 Audi/7 BMW/6 Buick/4-5 Cadillac/5 Chevy/5-7 Dodge/3-4 Ford/1-7 Genesis/5-7 GMC/5-7 Honda/3-9 Hyundai/3-7 Infiniti/7 Jeep/2-5 Kia/5-7 Lexus/5-8 Lincoln/4-5 Mazda/3-5 Mercedes/7 Mitsubishi/2-3 Nissan/2-7 Ram/4-9 Subaru/5-7 Toyota/4-9 VW/4-5 Volvo/6 And that’s if you pay the full sticker price! Who does that The guy who thinks Taco Bell is a Mexican phone company Add the fact that dealerships have an overhead expense of 12 to 15 of revenue and you’d have to be brain dead to believe the invoice price is in the same area code as any cost number The auto industry is having a good laugh at how gullible we are It’s even flipping us off now with pricing for the Chrysler Pacific Hybrid minivan: Invoice 44895 Retail 44995! Yet all the info and advice on those big auto-info websites is based on our swallowing – hook line and sinker – the preposterous notion that for decades automakers have been telling everyone what their dealers pay for their cars If that were true dealers would go ballistic But they don’t and they never did even before the Internet arrived Your responsibility as a person is to constantly update your positions on as many things as possible If you don’t contradict yourself regularly you’re not thinking – Malcolm Gladwell The inside story of the discovery of that game-changing fact is told in our book Letting The Cat Out Of The Bag: How The Auto Industry ‘Redesigned’ The Dealer invoice Price When The Internet Arrived available in paperback and Kindle format at Amazon To read the back cover copy Preface Table of Contents and the first four chapters click here If you’d like a author-signed copy 1495 including postage you can add that to your order for the Fighting Chance information package Here’s Bragg’s Take On Those Consumer Auto Pricing Sites Those sites are: a pitching the range of what other clueless shoppers have paid as the holy grail of transaction prices b using rebates which everyone gets and a comparison of their prices to the full sticker price which almost no one pays to inflate their claims of savings from using their services and c sending you on a ‘milk run’ to a small number of dealers in their networks who relish the thought of selling you a car at those prices and reward those conduit sites handsomely with the advertising and/or finder’s fees of 300 to 500 that comes out of your pocket Question: When you’re thinking about getting a new car are you sitting there saying Gee I hope I get a price that’s close to what everyone else is paying We don’t get to choose what is trueWe only get to choose what we do about it – Kami Garcia These Are The Facts About How Most Dealer Incentive Programs Work Today It’s 2018 not 1994 and that world isn’t flat anymore it’s round 90 of the bucks spent on dealer cash are in multi-month programs based on total sales targets and subjective issues like customers’ ratings of their selling dealerships NOT on sales of specific vehicles The rewards can be five to six-figure bonuses Some are stair-step promotions in which per-vehicle bonuses increase as dealers reach higher volume thresholds And no one can tell you any dealership’s target or performance level or when these programs start and end So reaching interim monthly goals along the way is crucially important There’s a lot of seasonality in the business and dealers can’t go into the last month 15 behind where they should have been based on that seasonal pattern That keeps steady sales pressure on month after month Dealers trailing their monthly targets near month-end will sell for much less and that’s likely to be different dealers each month WHAT’S IN THE FIGHTING CHANCE PACKAGE You’ll have the only independent unbiased source of truthful information and powerful negotiating advice on the Internet We’ve been focused single-mindedly on this subject since before the Dead Sea got sick and much of our knowledge has come from our customers’ feedback You’ll have us as your coaches as you go through the process Got a question Call us Want to run the numbers before you sign a lease Call us There’s no such thing as a silly question here In the package’s centerpiece How The PhoneEmail Attack Can Get You The Best Deal Saving You Time Money and Aggravation you’ll learn exactly what to do and say each step of the way as you conduct a competitive bidding process from your home or office Ideally you’ll enlist 9 or 10 dealers that you choose to make price proposals and you’ll go with the winner We also tell you the best day of each month to start the process You’ll receive our signature Big Picture analysis of how the brands and the specific vehicles you’re interested in have been doing in the market Are your model’s sales up or down Does the 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Either you repeat the same conventional doctrines everybody is saying or else you say something true and it will sound like it’s from Neptune – Noam Chomsky Why aren’t those auto-info old-boy clubs Kelley Blue Book Edmunds TrueCar carscom Consumer Reports etc telling you this Because they pocket referral fees of 300 to 500 when you buy a car from dealers in their networks – money which comes from your pocket They’re in business to help dealers sell cars profitably not to help you get the lowest price If they told you the truth they’d be out of business tomorrow Our customers almost always beat their prices frequently by a lot That’s why over half of our orders come from previous customers and their referrals No Auto-Info Site Can Serve Two Masters He Serves Just One: You The New-Car Buyer Founder James Bragg a Yale and Harvard Business School graduate is a career-long change agent who has always challenged conventional wisdom With 25 years and over 65000 hours focused solely on this subject he’s the country’s most knowledgeable new-car buyers’ consumer advocate And unlike every old-boy club source of new-car info and advice including Consumer Reports he’s never taken a dime from dealers or automakers As a result he’s become the sole source of the long-hidden truth about the dealer invoice price dealer cash incentives and the only smart way to buy a new car in today’s market His Discovery That The Invoice Price Has Nothing To Do WithAny Dealer Cost Shocked Consumer Reports Into Killing ItsNew Car Price Service a major cash cow Since 1983! In November 2012 he proved to that organization and four other auto-info biggies that the dealer invoice price has had no relationship to any vehicle’s cost since 1994 invalidating the core assumption behind their target price advice The effectiveness of that ancient invoice-based negotiating approach is dead as a doornail Embarrassed by its two-decade failure to recognize that obvious fact Consumer Reports dumped its legendary ‘cash cow’ New Car Price Service – the one they claimed would tell you the dealer’s true cost which hasn’t been true for 23 years Can there be any stronger evidence that the way to get the best price has changed forever It is almost impossible to carry the torch of truth through a crowd without singeing somebody’s beard – George Christoph Lichtenberg NEW-CAR SALES HAVE HIT A WALL AND THAT PUTS YOU IN THE DRIVER’S SEAT The pent-up demand from the recession has been satisfied 2015 was the last growth year with sales up 57 A 3 gain was forecast in 2016 but result was 03 Sales slipped 18 last year to 172 million about 300000 units behind 2016 Overall sales could drop below 17 million this year for the first time in three years January-August sales inched up just 11 but that tiny gain was based mainly on increased fleet sales to rental car companies and businesses not retail sales And over the last 5 years September sales have averaged 15 lower than August’s As a result the market is more competitive than ever with automakers spending more on incentives to move the metal In a word you’ve got more deal-making leverage than you’ve had in years Why am I the only one telling you these facts Because if the big new-car info and buying services did they’d jeopardize their entire revenue stream which comes from dealers and automakers not you For 25 years I’ve been on a mission to unearth and expose the long-hidden truths that Consumer Reports TrueCar Edmunds Carscom Kelley Blue Book and the auto industry don’t want you to know Those facts demolish all their conventional wisdom about how to buy a car and they transfer the negotiating leverage from the dealers to you Isn’t it time you stopped looking at the way to buy a new car through their rear-view mirrors PS Will you visit me when I enter the witness protection program JAMES BRAGG HOW TO ORDER THE PACKAGE AND WHEN AND HOW YOU’LL GET IT To place an order on our secure encrypted order form click on the Ordering link in the upper left column If you’d prefer to place a phone order or if you have questions that aren’t answered on our web site you may call our order desk at 1-562-433-8489 between 9:15AM and 4:00PM Pacific time Monday through Friday To see the vehicles for which we have pricing info click on the Auto Pricing link in that column Normal Delivery Timing: 99 of our customers request email delivery This is a tiny information boutique We usually send email orders by the next business day — with one exception this fall My assistant who sends the orders is a college grad school student who’s in class all day Tuesday this semester SO LATE MONDAY ORDERS AND ALL TUESDAY’S WILL USUALLY BE EMAILED TO CUSTOMERS ON WEDNESDAY We’ll be here 562-433-8489 to answer your questions and analyze your best lease offer weekdays between 9:15 AM and 4:00 PM Pacific time For a sneak peek at what you’ll get for 4495 scroll down to What’s In The Fighting Chance Package The Dealer Invoice Price Has Become a Bloated Imposter That Has Had Nothing To Do With Any New Car’s Real Cost For Twenty Three Years! And The Industry Moves It Further From Any Cost As noted above Bragg proved it to senior execs of Consumer Reports Kelley Blue Book Edmunds Carscom and TrueCar in a 11/27/12 USA TODAY Automotive Roundtable discussion of whether online car shopping and information services are believable and are relevant in today’s market To see it click here You could have heard a pin drop Incredibly no one was aware of a game-changing fact that had been in front of their noses for 17 years! It’s their worst nightmare because it exposes their pay what others paid as terrible advice Bragg asked the Consumer Reports person Who’s been running your New Car Price Service for the past 20 years Rip Van Winkle He was not amused To read much of the USA TODAY Don’t Trust That Invoice Price write-up on that meeting in which Bragg was dubbed a peppery contrarian click here To understand how laughable new-car pricing is today check out the tiny percentage differences between the base invoice and retail/sticker prices for each brand: Acura/5-7 Audi/7 BMW/6 Buick/4-5 Cadillac/5 Chevy/5-7 Dodge/3-4 Ford/1-7 Genesis/5-7 GMC/5-7 Honda/3-9 Hyundai/3-7 Infiniti/7 Jeep/2-5 Kia/5-7 Lexus/5-8 Lincoln/4-5 Mazda/3-5 Mercedes/7 Mitsubishi/2-3 Nissan/2-7 Ram/4-9 Subaru/5-7 Toyota/4-9 VW/4-5 Volvo/6 And that’s if you pay the full sticker price! Who does that The guy who thinks Taco Bell is a Mexican phone company Add the fact that dealerships have an overhead expense of 12 to 15 of revenue and you’d have to be brain dead to believe the invoice price is in the same area code as any cost number The auto industry is having a good laugh at how gullible we are It’s even flipping us off now with pricing for the Chrysler Pacific Hybrid minivan: Invoice 44895 Retail 44995! Yet all the info and advice on those big auto-info websites is based on our swallowing – hook line and sinker – the preposterous notion that for decades automakers have been telling everyone what their dealers pay for their cars If that were true dealers would go ballistic But they don’t and they never did even before the Internet arrived Your responsibility as a person is to constantly update your positions on as many things as possible If you don’t contradict yourself regularly you’re not thinking – Malcolm Gladwell The inside story of the discovery of that game-changing fact is told in our book Letting The Cat Out Of The Bag: How The Auto Industry ‘Redesigned’ The Dealer invoice Price When The Internet Arrived available in paperback and Kindle format at Amazon To read the back cover copy Preface Table of Contents and the first four chapters click here If you’d like a author-signed copy 1495 including postage you can add that to your order for the Fighting Chance information package Here’s Bragg’s Take On Those Consumer Auto Pricing Sites Those sites are: a pitching the range of what other clueless shoppers have paid as the holy grail of transaction prices b using rebates which everyone gets and a comparison of their prices to the full sticker price which almost no one pays to inflate their claims of savings from using their services and c sending you on a ‘milk run’ to a small number of dealers in their networks who relish the thought of selling you a car at those prices and reward those conduit sites handsomely with the advertising and/or finder’s fees of 300 to 500 that comes out of your pocket Question: When you’re thinking about getting a new car are you sitting there saying Gee I hope I get a price that’s close to what everyone else is paying We don’t get to choose what is trueWe only get to choose what we do about it – Kami Garcia These Are The Facts About How Most Dealer Incentive Programs Work Today It’s 2018 not 1994 and that world isn’t flat anymore it’s round 90 of the bucks spent on dealer cash are in multi-month programs based on total sales targets and subjective issues like customers’ ratings of their selling dealerships NOT on sales of specific vehicles The rewards can be five to six-figure bonuses Some are stair-step promotions in which per-vehicle bonuses increase as dealers reach higher volume thresholds And no one can tell you any dealership’s target or performance level or when these programs start and end So reaching interim monthly goals along the way is crucially important There’s a lot of seasonality in the business and dealers can’t go into the last month 15 behind where they should have been based on that seasonal pattern That keeps steady sales pressure on month after month Dealers trailing their monthly targets near month-end will sell for much less and that’s likely to be different dealers each month WHAT’S IN THE FIGHTING CHANCE PACKAGE You’ll have the only independent unbiased source of truthful information and powerful negotiating advice on the Internet We’ve been focused single-mindedly on this subject since before the Dead Sea got sick and much of our knowledge has come from our customers’ feedback You’ll have us as your coaches as you go through the process Got a question Call us Want to run the numbers before you sign a lease Call us There’s no such thing as a silly question here In the package’s centerpiece How The PhoneEmail Attack Can Get You The Best Deal Saving You Time Money and Aggravation you’ll learn exactly what to do and say each step of the way as you conduct a competitive bidding process from your home or office Ideally you’ll enlist 9 or 10 dealers that you choose to make price proposals and you’ll go with the winner We also tell you the best day of each month to start the process You’ll receive our signature Big Picture analysis of how the brands and the specific vehicles you’re interested in have been doing in the market Are your model’s sales up or down Does the average dealer sell 2 per month or 22 This piece also reveals the current holdback information for brands that use it several don’t You’ll get the complete current sticker/MSRP and dealer invoice pricing data for the vehicles you’re considering covering all the trim levels and equipment packages Here’s a current list of model pricing available You’ll also get these insightful fact-based articles by Mr Bragg most of them information no other auto-info site will tell you Focus only on those relevant to your purchase or lease How We Abandoned Our Inborn Common Sense About New-Car Pricing How The Industry Has Turned The Invoice Price Into A Bloated ImposterBy Continually Raising It By More Than The MSRP For Over Two Decades How New-Car Dealers Make The Big Bucks And How They Don’t Today Incentives Often Differ From Market To Market Here’s How To Check The Offers Where You Are The Two Big ‘Fake News’ Come-ons To Ignore The Myth Of Vehicle-Specific Dealer Cash Incentives The Crucial Financial Importance Of A Dealership’s Customer Satisfaction Rating Important Note On The Pricing Of Dealer-Installed Accessories Can You Get The Vehicle Configuration You Want Things To Consider About Placing A Factory Order Have You Chosen A Crashworthy Vehicle Thoughts On Buying A Demo Or Last Year’s Leftover Model Should You Buy An Extended Warranty Dealing With A Trade-In If you tell us you have one Leasing 101: The Straight Skinny If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Here’s The Information We Need To Analyze Your ‘Best-Offer’ Lease Numbers With You If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Our unique package includes all the information you need to negotiate the best price on for any one vehicle You may place an order here on a secure encrypted order form at any time Special Message To Previous Customers The Fighting Chance package is always changing to reflect new knowledge and the best ways to deal with the changing realities in the retail car business Sometimes the 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How To Buy Or Lease A New Car the Only Smart Way And Get The Best Price In The Market Every TimeWithout Walking Into A Single Car Store To Haggle There are indispensable game-changing facts about the new-car business that the industry and those big auto-info websites have hidden from you for decades – facts that shift the negotiating leverage from the dealers to you Someone needed the hunger for the truth the tenacity to uncover it and the guts to reveal it to you I was the only candidate James Bragg As a result: over 145000 new-car shoppers have used the Fighting Chance 3-step competitive bidding process to get the lowest price possible without walking into a single car store to haggle! With this empowering guide to buying or leasing a new car you’ll be in total control conducting the process from your home or office among several dealers that you choose The guide teaches you exactly what to say and do and when to do it And unlike every other new-car info site we’ll be here to answer your questions by phone every step of the way eg If you’re leasing we’ll go through the best-offer numbers with you before you sign the papers You Need The Whole Truth About The New-Car Business And This Is The Only Website Where You’ll Find It WARNING! Because I’m opening your eyes to the truth they’ve all been hiding our facts and action recommendations contradict EVERYTHING you’re being told and encouraged to do by TrueCar Edmunds Kelley Blue Book Carscom Consumer Reports and the other big new-car info sites which get all their revenue from the automakers and dealers they send you to For openers no dealer wants you to understand this: Every new car is a commodity the same vehicle with the same price structure at every dealership In the art of the deal the winner is always the one with the leverage And there’s ZERO LEVERAGE in walking into a car store and haggling You’re playing an away game and no one there is rooting for your team That dealer’s competitor isn’t the other brands it’s the other dealers who sell his brand And the winning leverage always comes from having several of them compete for your business Here’s an example: A customer got 9 dealers to compete for a redesigned 2017 Honda CR-V without leaving his home or office and paid 1090 below invoice The eight other bids were 900 below 510 below 410 below 180 below and 300 over invoice 460 over 530 over and 930 over – a 2020 spread from low to high! The winning Sales Manager said This is the only smart way to buy a car But if everyone did it this way we’d be out of business And that store may have been the next month’s high bidder depending on how it was doing then vs its target Question: What should we have told him was a good price for that car Any number we mentioned would have been bone stupid And that’s true for any car you want Either you repeat the same conventional doctrines everybody is saying or else you say something true and it will sound like it’s from Neptune – Noam Chomsky Why aren’t those auto-info old-boy clubs Kelley Blue Book Edmunds TrueCar carscom Consumer Reports etc telling you this Because they pocket referral fees of 300 to 500 when you buy a car from dealers in their networks – money which comes from your pocket They’re in business to help dealers sell cars profitably not to help you get the lowest price If they told you the truth they’d be out of business tomorrow Our customers almost always beat their prices frequently by a lot That’s why over half of our orders come from previous customers and their referrals No Auto-Info Site Can Serve Two Masters He Serves Just One: You The New-Car Buyer Founder James Bragg a Yale and Harvard Business School graduate is a career-long change agent who has always challenged conventional wisdom With 25 years and over 65000 hours focused solely on this subject he’s the country’s most knowledgeable new-car buyers’ consumer advocate And unlike every old-boy club source of new-car info and advice including Consumer Reports he’s never taken a dime from dealers or automakers As a result he’s become the sole source of the long-hidden truth about the dealer invoice price dealer cash incentives and the only smart way to buy a new car in today’s market His Discovery That The Invoice Price Has Nothing To Do WithAny Dealer Cost Shocked Consumer Reports Into Killing ItsNew Car Price Service a major cash cow Since 1983! In November 2012 he proved to that organization and four other auto-info biggies that the dealer invoice price has had no relationship to any vehicle’s cost since 1994 invalidating the core assumption behind their target price advice The effectiveness of that ancient invoice-based negotiating approach is dead as a doornail Embarrassed by its two-decade failure to recognize that obvious fact Consumer Reports dumped its legendary ‘cash cow’ New Car Price Service – the one they claimed would tell you the dealer’s true cost which hasn’t been true for 23 years Can there be any stronger evidence that the way to get the best price has changed forever It is almost impossible to carry the torch of truth through a crowd without singeing somebody’s beard – George Christoph Lichtenberg NEW-CAR SALES HAVE HIT A WALL AND THAT PUTS YOU IN THE DRIVER’S SEAT The pent-up demand from the recession has been satisfied 2015 was the last growth year with sales up 57 A 3 gain was forecast in 2016 but result was 03 Sales slipped 18 last year to 172 million about 300000 units behind 2016 Overall sales could drop below 17 million this year for the first time in three years January-August sales inched up just 11 but that tiny gain was based mainly on increased fleet sales to rental car companies and businesses not retail sales And over the last 5 years September sales have averaged 15 lower than August’s As a result the market is more competitive than ever with automakers spending more on incentives to move the metal In a word you’ve got more deal-making leverage than you’ve had in years Why am I the only one telling you these facts Because if the big new-car info and buying services did they’d jeopardize their entire revenue stream which comes from dealers and automakers not you For 25 years I’ve been on a mission to unearth and expose the long-hidden truths that Consumer Reports TrueCar Edmunds Carscom Kelley Blue Book and the auto industry don’t want you to know Those facts demolish all their conventional wisdom about how to buy a car and they transfer the negotiating leverage from the dealers to you Isn’t it time you stopped looking at the way to buy a new car through their rear-view mirrors PS Will you visit me when I enter the witness protection program JAMES BRAGG HOW TO ORDER THE PACKAGE AND WHEN AND HOW YOU’LL GET IT To place an order on our secure encrypted order form click on the Ordering link in the upper left column If you’d prefer to place a phone order or if you have questions that aren’t answered on our web site you may call our order desk at 1-562-433-8489 between 9:15AM and 4:00PM Pacific time Monday through Friday To see the vehicles for which we have pricing info click on the Auto Pricing link in that column Normal Delivery Timing: 99 of our customers request email delivery This is a tiny information boutique We usually send email orders by the next business day — with one exception this fall My assistant who sends the orders is a college grad school student who’s in class all day Tuesday this semester SO LATE MONDAY ORDERS AND ALL TUESDAY’S WILL USUALLY BE EMAILED TO CUSTOMERS ON WEDNESDAY We’ll be here 562-433-8489 to answer your questions and analyze your best lease offer weekdays between 9:15 AM and 4:00 PM Pacific time For a sneak peek at what you’ll get for 4495 scroll down to What’s In The Fighting Chance Package The Dealer Invoice Price Has Become a Bloated Imposter That Has Had Nothing To Do With Any New Car’s Real Cost For Twenty Three Years! And The Industry Moves It Further From Any Cost As noted above Bragg proved it to senior execs of Consumer Reports Kelley Blue Book Edmunds Carscom and TrueCar in a 11/27/12 USA TODAY Automotive Roundtable discussion of whether online car shopping and information services are believable and are relevant in today’s market To see it click here You could have heard a pin drop Incredibly no one was aware of a game-changing fact that had been in front of their noses for 17 years! It’s their worst nightmare because it exposes their pay what others paid as terrible advice Bragg asked the Consumer Reports person Who’s been running your New Car Price Service for the past 20 years Rip Van Winkle He was not amused To read much of the USA TODAY Don’t Trust That Invoice Price write-up on that meeting in which Bragg was dubbed a peppery contrarian click here To understand how laughable new-car pricing is today check out the tiny percentage differences between the base invoice and retail/sticker prices for each brand: Acura/5-7 Audi/7 BMW/6 Buick/4-5 Cadillac/5 Chevy/5-7 Dodge/3-4 Ford/1-7 Genesis/5-7 GMC/5-7 Honda/3-9 Hyundai/3-7 Infiniti/7 Jeep/2-5 Kia/5-7 Lexus/5-8 Lincoln/4-5 Mazda/3-5 Mercedes/7 Mitsubishi/2-3 Nissan/2-7 Ram/4-9 Subaru/5-7 Toyota/4-9 VW/4-5 Volvo/6 And that’s if you pay the full sticker price! Who does that The guy who thinks Taco Bell is a Mexican phone company Add the fact that dealerships have an overhead expense of 12 to 15 of revenue and you’d have to be brain dead to believe the invoice price is in the same area code as any cost number The auto industry is having a good laugh at how gullible we are It’s even flipping us off now with pricing for the Chrysler Pacific Hybrid minivan: Invoice 44895 Retail 44995! Yet all the info and advice on those big auto-info websites is based on our swallowing – hook line and sinker – the preposterous notion that for decades automakers have been telling everyone what their dealers pay for their cars If that were true dealers would go ballistic But they don’t and they never did even before the Internet arrived Your responsibility as a person is to constantly update your positions on as many things as possible If you don’t contradict yourself regularly you’re not thinking – Malcolm Gladwell The inside story of the discovery of that game-changing fact is told in our book Letting The Cat Out Of The Bag: How The Auto Industry ‘Redesigned’ The Dealer invoice Price When The Internet Arrived available in paperback and Kindle format at Amazon To read the back cover copy Preface Table of Contents and the first four chapters click here If you’d like a author-signed copy 1495 including postage you can add that to your order for the Fighting Chance information package Here’s Bragg’s Take On Those Consumer Auto Pricing Sites Those sites are: a pitching the range of what other clueless shoppers have paid as the holy grail of transaction prices b using rebates which everyone gets and a comparison of their prices to the full sticker price which almost no one pays to inflate their claims of savings from using their services and c sending you on a ‘milk run’ to a small number of dealers in their networks who relish the thought of selling you a car at those prices and reward those conduit sites handsomely with the advertising and/or finder’s fees of 300 to 500 that comes out of your pocket Question: When you’re thinking about getting a new car are you sitting there saying Gee I hope I get a price that’s close to what everyone else is paying We don’t get to choose what is trueWe only get to choose what we do about it – Kami Garcia These Are The Facts About How Most Dealer Incentive Programs Work Today It’s 2018 not 1994 and that world isn’t flat anymore it’s round 90 of the bucks spent on dealer cash are in multi-month programs based on total sales targets and subjective issues like customers’ ratings of their selling dealerships NOT on sales of specific vehicles The rewards can be five to six-figure bonuses Some are stair-step promotions in which per-vehicle bonuses increase as dealers reach higher volume thresholds And no one can tell you any dealership’s target or performance level or when these programs start and end So reaching interim monthly goals along the way is crucially important There’s a lot of seasonality in the business and dealers can’t go into the last month 15 behind where they should have been based on that seasonal pattern That keeps steady sales pressure on month after month Dealers trailing their monthly targets near month-end will sell for much less and that’s likely to be different dealers each month WHAT’S IN THE FIGHTING CHANCE PACKAGE You’ll have the only independent unbiased source of truthful information and powerful negotiating advice on the Internet We’ve been focused single-mindedly on this subject since before the Dead Sea got sick and much of our knowledge has come from our customers’ feedback You’ll have us as your coaches as you go through the process Got a question Call us Want to run the numbers before you sign a lease Call us There’s no such thing as a silly question here In the package’s centerpiece How The PhoneEmail Attack Can Get You The Best Deal Saving You Time Money and Aggravation you’ll learn exactly what to do and say each step of the way as you conduct a competitive bidding process from your home or office Ideally you’ll enlist 9 or 10 dealers that you choose to make price proposals and you’ll go with the winner We also tell you the best day of each month to start the process You’ll receive our signature Big Picture analysis of how the brands and the specific vehicles you’re interested in have been doing in the market Are your model’s sales up or down Does the average dealer sell 2 per month or 22 This piece also reveals the current holdback information for brands that use it several don’t You’ll get the complete current sticker/MSRP and dealer invoice pricing data for the vehicles you’re considering covering all the trim levels and equipment packages Here’s a current list of model pricing available You’ll also get these insightful fact-based articles by Mr Bragg most of them information no other auto-info site will tell you Focus only on those relevant to your purchase or lease How We Abandoned Our Inborn Common Sense About New-Car Pricing How The Industry Has Turned The Invoice Price Into A Bloated ImposterBy Continually Raising It By More Than The MSRP For Over Two Decades How New-Car Dealers Make The Big Bucks And How They Don’t Today Incentives Often Differ From Market To Market Here’s How To Check The Offers Where You Are The Two Big ‘Fake News’ Come-ons To Ignore The Myth Of Vehicle-Specific Dealer Cash Incentives The Crucial Financial Importance Of A Dealership’s Customer Satisfaction Rating Important Note On The Pricing Of Dealer-Installed Accessories Can You Get The Vehicle Configuration You Want Things To Consider About Placing A Factory Order Have You Chosen A Crashworthy Vehicle Thoughts On Buying A Demo Or Last Year’s Leftover Model Should You Buy An Extended Warranty Dealing With A Trade-In If you tell us you have one Leasing 101: The Straight Skinny If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Here’s The Information We Need To Analyze Your ‘Best-Offer’ Lease Numbers With You If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Our unique package includes all the information you need to negotiate the best price on for any one vehicle You may place an order here on a secure encrypted order form at any time Special Message To Previous Customers The Fighting Chance package is always changing to reflect new knowledge and the best ways to deal with the changing realities in the retail car business Sometimes the changes are dramatic For example the method for getting competitive bids differs substantially from the arms-length/one-step fax or email attack process we recommended several years ago At other times the changes are small but represent worthwhile improvements The suggested wording in the note you’ll send dealers is fine-tuned often The package you’d receive today will typically include several insightful changes compared to the one you ordered years ago The Cost Of This Unique Package 4495 Includes all the information you need for any one vehicle Additional vehicles: 1500 each More than half of our customers add one or more additional vehicles as fall-back alternatives This could become a small but wise 1500 decision if you find it difficult to deal on your first choice Considering the substantial cost of the new vehicle you’re about to buy or lease isn’t this a relatively small price to pay for the comprehensive Fighting Chance information package Important Note: This is a service 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Why aren’t those auto-info old-boy clubs Kelley Blue Book Edmunds TrueCar carscom Consumer Reports etc telling you this Because they pocket referral fees of 300 to 500 when you buy a car from dealers in their networks – money which comes from your pocket They’re in business to help dealers sell cars profitably not to help you get the lowest price If they told you the truth they’d be out of business tomorrow Our customers almost always beat their prices frequently by a lot That’s why over half of our orders come from previous customers and their referrals No Auto-Info Site Can Serve Two Masters He Serves Just One: You The New-Car Buyer Founder James Bragg a Yale and Harvard Business School graduate is a career-long change agent who has always challenged conventional wisdom With 25 years and over 65000 hours focused solely on this subject he’s the country’s most knowledgeable new-car buyers’ consumer advocate And unlike every old-boy club source of new-car info and advice including Consumer Reports he’s never taken a dime from dealers or automakers As a result he’s become the sole source of the long-hidden truth about the dealer invoice price dealer cash incentives and the only smart way to buy a new car in today’s market His Discovery That The Invoice Price Has Nothing To Do WithAny Dealer Cost Shocked Consumer Reports Into Killing ItsNew Car Price Service a major cash cow Since 1983! In November 2012 he proved to that organization and four other auto-info biggies that the dealer invoice price has had no relationship to any vehicle’s cost since 1994 invalidating the core assumption behind their target price advice The effectiveness of that ancient invoice-based negotiating approach is dead as a doornail Embarrassed by its two-decade failure to recognize that obvious fact Consumer Reports dumped its legendary ‘cash cow’ New Car Price Service – the one they claimed would tell you the dealer’s true cost which hasn’t been true for 23 years Can there be any stronger evidence that the way to get the best price has changed forever It is almost impossible to carry the torch of truth through a crowd without singeing somebody’s beard – George Christoph Lichtenberg NEW-CAR SALES HAVE HIT A WALL AND THAT PUTS YOU IN THE DRIVER’S SEAT The pent-up demand from the recession has been satisfied 2015 was the last growth year with sales up 57 A 3 gain was forecast in 2016 but result was 03 Sales slipped 18 last year to 172 million about 300000 units behind 2016 Overall sales could drop below 17 million this year for the first time in three years January-August sales inched up just 11 but that tiny gain was based mainly on increased fleet sales to rental car companies and businesses not retail sales And over the last 5 years September sales have averaged 15 lower than August’s As a result the market is more competitive than ever with automakers spending more on incentives to move the metal In a word you’ve got more deal-making leverage than you’ve had in years Why am I the only one telling you these facts Because if the big new-car info and buying services did they’d jeopardize their entire revenue stream which comes from dealers and automakers not you For 25 years I’ve been on a mission to unearth and expose the long-hidden truths that Consumer Reports TrueCar Edmunds Carscom Kelley Blue Book and the auto industry don’t want you to know Those facts demolish all their conventional wisdom about how to buy a car and they transfer the negotiating leverage from the dealers to you Isn’t it time you stopped looking at the way to buy a new car through their rear-view mirrors PS Will you visit me when I enter the witness protection program JAMES BRAGG HOW TO ORDER THE PACKAGE AND WHEN AND HOW YOU’LL GET IT To place an order on our secure encrypted order form click on the Ordering link in the upper left column If you’d prefer to place a phone order or if you have questions that aren’t answered on our web site you may call our order desk at 1-562-433-8489 between 9:15AM and 4:00PM Pacific time Monday through Friday To see the vehicles for which we have pricing info click on the Auto Pricing link in that column Normal Delivery Timing: 99 of our customers request email delivery This is a tiny information boutique We usually send email orders by the next business day — with one exception this fall My assistant who sends the orders is a college grad school student who’s in class all day Tuesday this semester SO LATE MONDAY ORDERS AND ALL TUESDAY’S WILL USUALLY BE EMAILED TO CUSTOMERS ON WEDNESDAY We’ll be here 562-433-8489 to answer your questions and analyze your best lease offer weekdays between 9:15 AM and 4:00 PM Pacific time For a sneak peek at what you’ll get for 4495 scroll down to What’s In The Fighting Chance Package The Dealer Invoice Price Has Become a Bloated Imposter That Has Had Nothing To Do With Any New Car’s Real Cost For Twenty Three Years! And The Industry Moves It Further From Any Cost As noted above Bragg proved it to senior execs of Consumer Reports Kelley Blue Book Edmunds Carscom and TrueCar in a 11/27/12 USA TODAY Automotive Roundtable discussion of whether online car shopping and information services are believable and are relevant in today’s market To see it click here You could have heard a pin drop Incredibly no one was aware of a game-changing fact that had been in front of their noses for 17 years! It’s their worst nightmare because it exposes their pay what others paid as terrible advice Bragg asked the Consumer Reports person Who’s been running your New Car Price Service for the past 20 years Rip Van Winkle He was not amused To read much of the USA TODAY Don’t Trust That Invoice Price write-up on that meeting in which Bragg was dubbed a peppery contrarian click here To understand how laughable new-car pricing is today check out the tiny percentage differences between the base invoice and retail/sticker prices for each brand: Acura/5-7 Audi/7 BMW/6 Buick/4-5 Cadillac/5 Chevy/5-7 Dodge/3-4 Ford/1-7 Genesis/5-7 GMC/5-7 Honda/3-9 Hyundai/3-7 Infiniti/7 Jeep/2-5 Kia/5-7 Lexus/5-8 Lincoln/4-5 Mazda/3-5 Mercedes/7 Mitsubishi/2-3 Nissan/2-7 Ram/4-9 Subaru/5-7 Toyota/4-9 VW/4-5 Volvo/6 And that’s if you pay the full sticker price! Who does that The guy who thinks Taco Bell is a Mexican phone company Add the fact that dealerships have an overhead expense of 12 to 15 of revenue and you’d have to be brain dead to believe the invoice price is in the same area code as any cost number The auto industry is having a good laugh at how gullible we are It’s even flipping us off now with pricing for the Chrysler Pacific Hybrid minivan: Invoice 44895 Retail 44995! Yet all the info and advice on those big auto-info websites is based on our swallowing – hook line and sinker – the preposterous notion that for decades automakers have been telling everyone what their dealers pay for their cars If that were true dealers would go ballistic But they don’t and they never did even before the Internet arrived Your responsibility as a person is to constantly update your positions on as many things as possible If you don’t contradict yourself regularly you’re not thinking – Malcolm Gladwell The inside story of the discovery of that game-changing fact is told in our book Letting The Cat Out Of The Bag: How The Auto Industry ‘Redesigned’ The Dealer invoice Price When The Internet Arrived available in paperback and Kindle format at Amazon To read the back cover copy Preface Table of Contents and the first four chapters click here If you’d like a author-signed copy 1495 including postage you can add that to your order for the Fighting Chance information package Here’s Bragg’s Take On Those Consumer Auto Pricing Sites Those sites are: a pitching the range of what other clueless shoppers have paid as the holy grail of transaction prices b using rebates which everyone gets and a comparison of their prices to the full sticker price which almost no one pays to inflate their claims of savings from using their services and c sending you on a ‘milk run’ to a small number of dealers in their networks who relish the thought of selling you a car at those prices and reward those conduit sites handsomely with the advertising and/or finder’s fees of 300 to 500 that comes out of your pocket Question: When you’re thinking about getting a new car are you sitting there saying Gee I hope I get a price that’s close to what everyone else is paying We don’t get to choose what is trueWe only get to choose what we do about it – Kami Garcia These Are The Facts About How Most Dealer Incentive Programs Work Today It’s 2018 not 1994 and that world isn’t flat anymore it’s round 90 of the bucks spent on dealer cash are in multi-month programs based on total sales targets and subjective issues like customers’ ratings of their selling dealerships NOT on sales of specific vehicles The rewards can be five to six-figure bonuses Some are stair-step promotions in which per-vehicle bonuses increase as dealers reach higher volume thresholds And no one can tell you any dealership’s target or performance level or when these programs start and end So reaching interim monthly goals along the way is crucially important There’s a lot of seasonality in the business and dealers can’t go into the last month 15 behind where they should have been based on that seasonal pattern That keeps steady sales pressure on month after month Dealers trailing their monthly targets near month-end will sell for much less and that’s likely to be different dealers each month WHAT’S IN THE FIGHTING CHANCE PACKAGE You’ll have the only independent unbiased source of truthful information and powerful negotiating advice on the Internet We’ve been focused single-mindedly on this subject since before the Dead Sea got sick and much of our knowledge has come from our customers’ feedback You’ll have us as your coaches as you go through the process Got a question Call us Want to run the numbers before you sign a lease Call us There’s no such thing as a silly question here In the package’s centerpiece How The PhoneEmail Attack Can Get You The Best Deal Saving You Time Money and Aggravation you’ll learn exactly what to do and say each step of the way as you conduct a competitive bidding process from your home or office Ideally you’ll enlist 9 or 10 dealers that you choose to make price proposals and you’ll go with the winner We also tell you the best day of each month to start the process You’ll receive our signature Big Picture analysis of how the brands and the specific vehicles you’re interested in have been doing in the market Are your model’s sales up or down Does the average dealer sell 2 per month or 22 This piece also reveals the current holdback information for brands that use it several don’t You’ll get the complete current sticker/MSRP and dealer invoice pricing data for the vehicles you’re considering covering all the trim levels and equipment packages Here’s a current list of model pricing available You’ll also get these insightful fact-based articles by Mr Bragg most of them information no other auto-info site will tell you Focus only on those relevant to your purchase or lease How We Abandoned Our Inborn Common Sense About New-Car Pricing How The Industry Has Turned The Invoice Price Into A Bloated ImposterBy Continually Raising It By More Than The MSRP For Over Two Decades How New-Car Dealers Make The Big Bucks And How They Don’t Today Incentives Often Differ From Market To Market Here’s How To Check The Offers Where You Are The Two Big ‘Fake News’ Come-ons To Ignore The Myth Of Vehicle-Specific Dealer Cash Incentives The Crucial Financial Importance Of A Dealership’s Customer Satisfaction Rating Important Note On The Pricing Of Dealer-Installed Accessories Can You Get The Vehicle Configuration You Want Things To Consider About Placing A Factory Order Have You Chosen A Crashworthy Vehicle Thoughts On Buying A Demo Or Last Year’s Leftover Model Should You Buy An Extended Warranty Dealing With A Trade-In If you tell us you have one Leasing 101: The Straight Skinny If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Here’s The Information We Need To Analyze Your ‘Best-Offer’ Lease Numbers With You If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Our unique package includes all the information you need to negotiate the best price on for any one vehicle You may place an order here on a secure encrypted order form at any time Special Message To Previous Customers The Fighting Chance package is always changing to reflect new knowledge and the best ways to deal with the changing realities in the retail car business Sometimes the 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A customer got 9 dealers to compete for a redesigned 2017 Honda CR-V without leaving his home or office and paid 1090 below invoice The eight other bids were 900 below 510 below 410 below 180 below and 300 over invoice 460 over 530 over and 930 over – a 2020 spread from low to high! The winning Sales Manager said This is the only smart way to buy a car But if everyone did it this way we’d be out of business And that store may have been the next month’s high bidder depending on how it was doing then vs its target Question: What should we have told him was a good price for that car Any number we mentioned would have been bone stupid And that’s true for any car you want Either you repeat the same conventional doctrines everybody is saying or else you say something true and it will sound like it’s from Neptune – Noam Chomsky Why aren’t those auto-info old-boy clubs Kelley Blue Book Edmunds TrueCar carscom Consumer Reports etc telling you this Because they pocket referral fees of 300 to 500 when you buy a car from dealers in their networks – money which comes from your pocket They’re in business to help dealers sell cars profitably not to help you get the lowest price If they told you the truth they’d be out of business tomorrow Our customers almost always beat their prices frequently by a lot That’s why over half of our orders come from previous customers and their referrals No Auto-Info Site Can Serve Two Masters He Serves Just One: You The New-Car Buyer Founder James Bragg a Yale and Harvard Business School graduate is a career-long change agent who has always challenged conventional wisdom With 25 years and over 65000 hours focused solely on this subject he’s the country’s most knowledgeable new-car buyers’ consumer advocate And unlike every old-boy club source of new-car info and advice including Consumer Reports he’s never taken a dime from dealers or automakers As a result he’s become the sole source of the long-hidden truth about the dealer invoice price dealer cash incentives and the only smart way to buy a new car in today’s market His Discovery That The Invoice Price Has Nothing To Do WithAny Dealer Cost Shocked Consumer Reports Into Killing ItsNew Car Price Service a major cash cow Since 1983! In November 2012 he proved to that organization and four other auto-info biggies that the dealer invoice price has had no relationship to any vehicle’s cost since 1994 invalidating the core assumption behind their target price advice The effectiveness of that ancient invoice-based negotiating approach is dead as a doornail Embarrassed by its two-decade failure to recognize that obvious fact Consumer Reports dumped its legendary ‘cash cow’ New Car Price Service – the one they claimed would tell you the dealer’s true cost which hasn’t been true for 23 years Can there be any stronger evidence that the way to get the best price has changed forever It is almost impossible to carry the torch of truth through a crowd without singeing somebody’s beard – George Christoph Lichtenberg NEW-CAR SALES HAVE HIT A WALL AND THAT PUTS YOU IN THE DRIVER’S SEAT The pent-up demand from the recession has been satisfied 2015 was the last growth year with sales up 57 A 3 gain was forecast in 2016 but result was 03 Sales slipped 18 last year to 172 million about 300000 units behind 2016 Overall sales could drop below 17 million this year for the first time in three years January-August sales inched up just 11 but that tiny gain was based mainly on increased fleet sales to rental car companies and businesses not retail sales And over the last 5 years September sales have averaged 15 lower than August’s As a result the market is more competitive than ever with automakers spending more on incentives to move the metal In a word you’ve got more deal-making leverage than you’ve had in years Why am I the only one telling you these facts Because if the big new-car info and buying services did they’d jeopardize their entire revenue stream which comes from dealers and automakers not you For 25 years I’ve been on a mission to unearth and expose the long-hidden truths that Consumer Reports TrueCar Edmunds Carscom Kelley Blue Book and the auto industry don’t want you to know Those facts demolish all their conventional wisdom about how to buy a car and they transfer the negotiating leverage from the dealers to you Isn’t it time you stopped looking at the way to buy a new car through their rear-view mirrors PS Will you visit me when I enter the witness protection program JAMES BRAGG HOW TO ORDER THE PACKAGE AND WHEN AND HOW YOU’LL GET IT To place an order on our secure encrypted order form click on the Ordering link in the upper left column If you’d prefer to place a phone order or if you have questions that aren’t answered on our web site you may call our order desk at 1-562-433-8489 between 9:15AM and 4:00PM Pacific time Monday through Friday To see the vehicles for which we have pricing info click on the Auto Pricing link in that column Normal Delivery Timing: 99 of our customers request email delivery This is a tiny information boutique We usually send email orders by the next business day — with one exception this fall My assistant who sends the orders is a college grad school student who’s in class all day Tuesday this semester SO LATE MONDAY ORDERS AND ALL TUESDAY’S WILL USUALLY BE EMAILED TO CUSTOMERS ON WEDNESDAY We’ll be here 562-433-8489 to answer your questions and analyze your best lease offer weekdays between 9:15 AM and 4:00 PM Pacific time For a sneak peek at what you’ll get for 4495 scroll down to What’s In The Fighting Chance Package The Dealer Invoice Price Has Become a Bloated Imposter That Has Had Nothing To Do With Any New Car’s Real Cost For Twenty Three Years! And The Industry Moves It Further From Any Cost As noted above Bragg proved it to senior execs of Consumer Reports Kelley Blue Book Edmunds Carscom and TrueCar in a 11/27/12 USA TODAY Automotive Roundtable discussion of whether online car shopping and information services are believable and are relevant in today’s market To see it click here You could have heard a pin drop Incredibly no one was aware of a game-changing fact that had been in front of their noses for 17 years! It’s their worst nightmare because it exposes their pay what others paid as terrible advice Bragg asked the Consumer Reports person Who’s been running your New Car Price Service for the past 20 years Rip Van Winkle He was not amused To read much of the USA TODAY Don’t Trust That Invoice Price write-up on that meeting in which Bragg was dubbed a peppery contrarian click here To understand how laughable new-car pricing is today check out the tiny percentage differences between the base invoice and retail/sticker prices for each brand: Acura/5-7 Audi/7 BMW/6 Buick/4-5 Cadillac/5 Chevy/5-7 Dodge/3-4 Ford/1-7 Genesis/5-7 GMC/5-7 Honda/3-9 Hyundai/3-7 Infiniti/7 Jeep/2-5 Kia/5-7 Lexus/5-8 Lincoln/4-5 Mazda/3-5 Mercedes/7 Mitsubishi/2-3 Nissan/2-7 Ram/4-9 Subaru/5-7 Toyota/4-9 VW/4-5 Volvo/6 And that’s if you pay the full sticker price! Who does that The guy who thinks Taco Bell is a Mexican phone company Add the fact that dealerships have an overhead expense of 12 to 15 of revenue and you’d have to be brain dead to believe the invoice price is in the same area code as any cost number The auto industry is having a good laugh at how gullible we are It’s even flipping us off now with pricing for the Chrysler Pacific Hybrid minivan: Invoice 44895 Retail 44995! Yet all the info and advice on those big auto-info websites is based on our swallowing – hook line and sinker – the preposterous notion that for decades automakers have been telling everyone what their dealers pay for their cars If that were true dealers would go ballistic But they don’t and they never did even before the Internet arrived Your responsibility as a person is to constantly update your positions on as many things as possible If you don’t contradict yourself regularly you’re not thinking – Malcolm Gladwell The inside story of the discovery of that game-changing fact is told in our book Letting The Cat Out Of The Bag: How The Auto Industry ‘Redesigned’ The Dealer invoice Price When The Internet Arrived available in paperback and Kindle format at Amazon To read the back cover copy Preface Table of Contents and the first four chapters click here If you’d like a author-signed copy 1495 including postage you can add that to your order for the Fighting Chance information package Here’s Bragg’s Take On Those Consumer Auto Pricing Sites Those sites are: a pitching the range of what other clueless shoppers have paid as the holy grail of transaction prices b using rebates which everyone gets and a comparison of their prices to the full sticker price which almost no one pays to inflate their claims of savings from using their services and c sending you on a ‘milk run’ to a small number of dealers in their networks who relish the thought of selling you a car at those prices and reward those conduit sites handsomely with the advertising and/or finder’s fees of 300 to 500 that comes out of your pocket Question: When you’re thinking about getting a new car are you sitting there saying Gee I hope I get a price that’s close to what everyone else is paying We don’t get to choose what is trueWe only get to choose what we do about it – Kami Garcia These Are The Facts About How Most Dealer Incentive Programs Work Today It’s 2018 not 1994 and that world isn’t flat anymore it’s round 90 of the bucks spent on dealer cash are in multi-month programs based on total sales targets and subjective issues like customers’ ratings of their selling dealerships NOT on sales of specific vehicles The rewards can be five to six-figure bonuses Some are stair-step promotions in which per-vehicle bonuses increase as dealers reach higher volume thresholds And no one can tell you any dealership’s target or performance level or when these programs start and end So reaching interim monthly goals along the way is crucially important There’s a lot of seasonality in the business and dealers can’t go into the last month 15 behind where they should have been based on that seasonal pattern That keeps steady sales pressure on month after month Dealers trailing their monthly targets near month-end will sell for much less and that’s likely to be different dealers each month WHAT’S IN THE FIGHTING CHANCE PACKAGE You’ll have the only independent unbiased source of truthful information and powerful negotiating advice on the Internet We’ve been focused single-mindedly on this subject since before the Dead Sea got sick and much of our knowledge has come from our customers’ feedback You’ll have us as your coaches as you go through the process Got a question Call us Want to run the numbers before you sign a lease Call us There’s no such thing as a silly question here In the package’s centerpiece How The PhoneEmail Attack Can Get You The Best Deal Saving You Time Money and Aggravation you’ll learn exactly what to do and say each step of the way as you conduct a competitive bidding process from your home or office Ideally you’ll enlist 9 or 10 dealers that you choose to make price proposals and you’ll go with the winner We also tell you the best day of each month to start the process You’ll receive our signature Big Picture analysis of how the brands and the specific vehicles you’re interested in have been doing in the market Are your model’s sales up or down Does the average dealer sell 2 per month or 22 This piece also reveals the current holdback information for brands that use it several don’t You’ll get the complete current sticker/MSRP and dealer invoice pricing data for the vehicles you’re considering covering all the trim levels and equipment packages Here’s a current list of model pricing available You’ll also get these insightful fact-based articles by Mr Bragg most of them information no other auto-info site will tell you Focus only on those relevant to your purchase or lease How We Abandoned Our Inborn Common Sense About New-Car Pricing How The Industry Has Turned The Invoice Price Into A Bloated ImposterBy Continually Raising It By More Than The MSRP For Over Two Decades How New-Car Dealers Make The Big Bucks And How They Don’t Today Incentives Often Differ From Market To Market Here’s How To Check The Offers Where You Are The Two Big ‘Fake News’ Come-ons To Ignore The Myth Of Vehicle-Specific Dealer Cash Incentives The Crucial Financial Importance Of A Dealership’s Customer Satisfaction Rating Important Note On The Pricing Of Dealer-Installed Accessories Can You Get The Vehicle Configuration You Want Things To Consider About Placing A Factory Order Have You Chosen A Crashworthy Vehicle Thoughts On Buying A Demo Or Last Year’s Leftover Model Should You Buy An Extended Warranty Dealing With A Trade-In If you tell us you have one Leasing 101: The Straight Skinny If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Here’s The Information We Need To Analyze Your ‘Best-Offer’ Lease Numbers With You If you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Our unique package includes all the information you need to negotiate the best price on for any one vehicle You may place an order here on a secure encrypted order form at any time Special Message To Previous Customers The Fighting Chance package is always changing to reflect new knowledge and the best ways to deal with the changing realities in the retail car business Sometimes the changes are dramatic For example the method for getting competitive bids differs substantially from the arms-length/one-step fax or email attack process we recommended several years ago At other times the changes are small but represent worthwhile improvements The suggested wording in the note you’ll send dealers is fine-tuned often The package you’d receive today will typically include several insightful changes compared to the one you ordered years ago The Cost Of This Unique Package 4495 Includes all the information you need for any one vehicle Additional vehicles: 1500 each More than half of our customers add one or more additional vehicles as fall-back alternatives This could become a small but wise 1500 decision if you find it difficult to deal on your first choice Considering the substantial cost of the new vehicle you’re about to buy or lease isn’t this a relatively small price to pay for the comprehensive Fighting Chance information package Important Note: This is a service for NEW VEHICLES ONLY We have no information on used vehicles Also we have NO CANADIAN PRICING DATA Copyright © 2017 Fighting Chance Home 1
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