Index of references to Mercedes in Global Information Space with daily updates

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New headings with Mercedes from Top 1,000,000 websites extracted on 2019-04-21

# Headings H1-H6 Count
MERCEDES C 200 12
2020 Mercedes GLC Coupe Presentation Updated GLC SUV! 6
Mercedes non segue Ferrari sull’ala anteriore 5
2020 Mercedes-Benz GLS New York Otomobil Fuarı’nda Tanıtıldı 5
Mercedes come Williams nel 1992 Mondiale già finito 5
قیمت در امارات: مرسدس بنز C180 مدل 2018 Mercedes Benz 5
Mercedes-Benz S-Class Facelift Launched In India 4
Mercedes C 220 d Avantgarde 4
Mercedes-Benz CLS 55 AMG 4
Mercedes-Benz Caio VitoriaOF-1620 Padrao SP 4
Mercedes-Benz Türkiye’de yeniden yapılanıyor 4
Chủ tịch FLC mới tậu Mercedes-Maybach S600 Pullman siêu sang triệu USD 4
Mercedes-AMG GT 63 S Coupé 4 portes : « au galop » essai 4
Daimler Seeks Six Billion Euros In Cost Savings At Mercedes 3
Gara mes BMW 840d v Mercedes E400d vs Audi A8 50 TDI 3
MERCEDES SMART ΕΞΕΙΔΙΚΕΥΜΕΝΟ ΣΥΝΕΡΓΕΙΟ MERCEDES SMART ΚΟΡΙΝΘΟΣ ΣΤΕΡΓΙΟΠΟΥΛΟΣ ΝΙΚΟΛΑΟΣ 3
Mercedes-AMG C43 Coupe 2019 primer contacto en video 3
Ensituntuma: Mercedes-Benz CLA – muodoilla kohti menestystä 3
Με Mercedes AMG GTR στη Γερμανία 3
Transnet employees in Billions of Rands corruption deals: BMWs Jeeps Mercedes and houses bought 3
Trabalhadores da Mercedes-Benz estão apreensivos em JF 3
Những đối thủ tầm cỡ của Mercedes GLA 2019 tại Việt Nam 3
Avaliação Mercedes Benz AMG C43 3
Geneva Motor Show: 2020 Mercedes-Benz GLC SUV Version Revealed 3
Mercedes en büyük arazi aracını New York’ta tanıttı 3
MERCEDES-BENZ 3
Wasserspiel „Fountains amp Light“ ab April am Mercedes Platz 3
Podsumowanie GP Chin: Mercedes potwierdził swoją dominację 3
Mercedes Iman Diamond Talks Drag Race Opulence amp Representation 3
Situação da Mercedes-Benz é discutida em audiência lotada de funcionários 3
Nowy Mercedes CLS 2018 2
Mercedes-Benz Autobuses apoya la movilidad de Sinaloa 2
Mercedes Consumers 2
Mercedes-Benz 2
Mercedes-AMG Petronas Motorsport 2019 F1 Team T-Shirt White 2
2016 Mercedes-Benz GLE 4MATIC 4dr GLE 450 AMG Cpe 2
Ronny Mercedes el dominicano que llega a la final de “La Voz” reivindicando sus raíces 2
Le Mercedes EQC Edition 1886 se veut plus exclusif 2
Mercedes-Benz GLS’ten Muhteşem Tanıtım 2
Der König hilft dem Mädchen deren Eltern durch den betrunkenen Mercedes Fahrer getötet wurden 2
Tasarruflu premium Mercedes C200 dizel otostil testinde 2
Mercedes GLE 400 d 2
MERCEDES X-CLASS 2017 GRILLE KIT 2
Mercedes-Benz Türk Haftalık Otobüs Teslimatları 2
Check out the First Photo of Mercedes MJ Javid’s Son 2
Mercedes high technology on safety 2
Mercedes-benz Sells Over 200000 Vehicles Worldwide In 2
2018 Mercedes-Benz C-class Coupe and Cabriolet 2
VIDEO-De Moreno a Alemania: el colectivo de La Perlita que es atracción en el museo de Mercedes-Benz en Stuttgart 2
Mercedes-Maybach S600 Pullman của Chủ tịch tập đoàn FLC chính thức có biển trắng 2
Mercedes-Benz Concept GLB dünya tanıtımını Çin’de yapıyor 2
MERCEDES C 180 2
Transnet employees in Billions of Rands corruption deals: BMWs Jeeps Mercedes 2
¡Espiado! Mercedes-AMG GT Black Series 2
2015 MERCEDES-BENZ C-CLASS C200 20 AMG SPORT TURBO P/C JAPAN SPEC RM 19800000 2
Mercedes-Benz: Magic Body Control 2
Mercedes-Benz: Attention Assist System 2
2017 Mercedes-Benz 2
Штатная магнитола Mercedes ML / GL NTG 45/47 2012-2016 Parafar PF01A 2
Mercedes-Benz Türk yılın ilk filo teslimatını Ofses Turizm’e 20 adet Sprinter 2
Обзор обновленного Mercedes-Benz GLC 2019-2020 – стильного немецкого кроссовера 2
Mercedes-Benz Autobuses 25 años siendo los autobuses de México 2
Amitabh Bachchan Gifts Himself A Mercedes-Benz V-Class ‘Most Expensive MPV’ in India 2
Mercedes E 200 2
Mercedes-Benz Classe C 2
2014 Mercedes-Benz S-Class S550 4MATIC 2
Mercedes-Benz X-Class V6 Türkiye’de 2
“Ngất ngây” với phiên bản Mercedes AMG GT R Pro 2020 2
Mercedes с класс новый opel Calibra 1993 2
„Mercedes je smeće“: Vlasnik se razbesneo zbog garancije i evo šta 2
Mercedes-Benz A-Class HatchbackMoving Forward the Best of 2019 Model 2
Bán xe Mercedes S450 trắng nội thất nâu model 2019 chính hãng 2
The new Mercedes-AMG CLA 35 4MATIC 2
Mercedes-Benz Türk Conecto Otobüs Teslimatları 2
Mercedes-Benz L 3000 S – ciężarówka niemiecka 2
Ιτέα: “παρέλαση” Mercedes στο εστιατόριο Ζέφυρος στην παραλία της Ιτέας 2
Ferrari structure worse than Mercedes Red Bull – Berger 2
Gara mes BMW 840d v Mercedes E400d vs Audi A8 50 2
Die neue Mercedes G-Klasse – Luxus im Gelände 2
Mercedes Mason amp David Denman 2
Mercedes обновил внедорожник G-Class «Гелендваген» 2
Mercedes-Benz Türk Türkiye Basketbol Federasyonu ile sponsorluk anlaşmasını uzattı 2
Mercedes-Benz 1622 2010 Black for sale 2
Thanh niên “cưỡi” Mercedes mui trần che ô giữa ngày Hà Nội nóng đỉnh điểm 2
Mercedes Benz AMG S Class W222 Full Black Bison Edition 2
Investigation of Mercedes Benz brand 2
TEST: Mercedes C220D 4Matic 2
2013 Mercedes-Benz S-Class S550 4-MATIC 2
Mercedes-Benz C200 D 2
Camera 360 độ OView trên GLC 250-300 Mercedes Benz 2
Opel Insignia ve Mercedes C Serisi otostil karşılaştırmasında 2
Mercedes-Benz Türk’ten Nisan ayına özel fırsatlar 2
Mercedes-Benz unveils new GLS it’s “S-Class of the SUVs” 2
Yeni Mercedes CLA 330 bin TL’ye 30 Nisan’da bayilerde 2
2009 Mercedes-Benz CL-Class CL63 AMG 2
Noul Mercedes-Benz Clasa V disponibil în România 2
Mercedes-Benz records best quarter ever in China sells more than 560000 vehicles worldwide 2
2019 Mercedes-Benz CLS-class / CLS 53 AMG 2
Minardi: “Mercedes al traguardo con tanta benzina a bordo” 2
ขายรถ MERCEDES-BENZ 200 ที่ สุราษฎร์ธานี 2
F1 – Bottas quer definir logo renovação com a Mercedes 2
2017 MERCEDES-BENZ C-CLASS C350e AMG 2
Video: Ronny Mercedes el dominicano que llega a la final de “La Voz” reivindicando sus raíces 2
Mercedes-Benz ведет работы над созданием «неубиваемого» при ДТП автомобиля 2
Nuevo presidente de Mercedes-Benz Argentina 2
Feature Listing: 1962 Mercedes-Benz 220SEb Coupe 2
Carlex Design độ nội thất bán tải Mercedes X-Class sang như Maybach 2
Mercedes-Benz A 200 d automatik AKCIJA !!! 2
Mercedes unveils its most luxurious SUV yet 2
Mercedes-Benz E-класс 2
Ruhsatı ticari kendisi binek – Mercedes X-Class testi 2
Mercedes-Benz C-CLASS 2
Мини гелик!/Mercedes-Benz GLB 2020/Большой Тест Драйв/Первый обзор 2
Nuevo filtro de aire MERCEDES BENZ Sprinter 2
Otroški avto na akumulator Mercedes SL400 2
Bétaillère MERCEDES 2
MERCEDES BENZ 2
MERCEDES BENZ G63 AMG 2
Mercedes S Class 2
Mercedes-Benz: Active Blind Spot Assist 2
Next Mercedes-Benz SL-Class will be sportier to take on 8 Series 2
Mercedes kemerleri sıkma kararı aldı 2
2012 Mercedes-Benz CLS-Class CLS550 4MATIC 2
Во Владимире грузовой Mercedes под управлением водителя из Тверской области упал с моста 2
Ето го и новият Mercedes-Benz GLS 2
Bán xe Mercedes GLC250 năm 2016 AMG màu trắng 2
Mercedes-Benz M-klasse ML 350 235 H/p AT 2
Mercedes E 220 2
Τίθεται εν αμφιβόλω η συνεργασία Mercedes και Renault / Nissan 2
Mercedes-Benz: Lane Keeping Assist 2
Mercedes V-Klasse: Freund der Familie 2
WARNING! Our facts and recommendations contradict almost everything you’re being told by those big new-car buying and info sites which get all their revenue from the automakers and the dealers they send you to But it’s 2019 not 1994 and it’s time you stopped looking at the way to buy a new car through their broken rear-view mirrors Your responsibility as a person is to constantly update your positions on as many things as possible If you don’t contradict yourself regularly you’re not thinking – Malcolm Gladwell THE TRUTH MATTERS THESE ARE THE ESSENTIAL FACTS THEY DON’T WANT YOU TO KNOW 1 You are shopping for a commodity It’s the same car with the same price structure at every dealer selling that brand Think copper crude oil pork bellies soybeans I learned that in 1997 when a customer shopping for a Ford Contour compact sedan called and said I just contacted 12 Ford dealers for price proposals and it was like rolling a bottle of wine into a jail cell full of drunks! 2 Every dealer’s fiercest competitors aren’t other brands They’re the other stores selling the same brand Every new-car shopper ends up choosing one brand’s vehicle And every brand has from hundreds to over 3000 dealers 3 The art of any deal is one little word: leverage Yet most new-car shoppers still play the fool’s game by walking into car stores one at a time to haggle the price a game they always lose because their leverage is a big fat zero 4 The leverage shifts dramatically from the dealer to you when you get several of them competing for your business – ideally at least 9 or 10 no matter how far from you they are Few dealerships decline to participate because the retail car business has hit a wall entering a multi-year no/slow growth period 5 Holdback is fading into the sunset That’s money dealers get from automakers after a sale is made These luxury brands have already dumped it: Audi BMW Cadillac Infiniti Jaguar Land Rover Lexus Lincoln and Mercedes-Benz I expect other brands to follow suit over the next several years 6 Factory-to-dealer cash programs today are rarely vehicle-specific Instead they’re based on secret multi-month total sales targets that are set dealer-by-dealer And an important part of that cash bonus is usually also based on more subjective elements like the effectiveness of a dealership’s factory-certified used car employee training and online marketing programs as well as on customers’ dealer satisfaction ratings from their sales and service experiences 7 The new-car business has a significant seasonality pattern with monthly sales ranging from under 7 to over 11 of a year’s total So dealers must keep their cumulative sales in synch with cumulative seasonality to reach their multi-month targets 8 Given that reality there are almost always some dealerships trailing their targets and more strongly motivated to make aggressive price proposals than others And this month’s low bidder may be next month’s high bidder depending on its sales status then 9 There is never a good price or right price to pay for any new car The only right price is the best out-the-door price you can get by having at least 9 or 10 dealers compete for your business That’s the agreed-upon price of the car plus sales tax state registration fees and any other dealer charges Example: A customer got 9 dealers to compete for the redesigned Honda CR-V and paid 1090 below invoice The 8 other bids: 900 below 510 below 410 below 180 below and 300 over invoice 460 over 530 over and 930 over – a 2020 spread! What should I have told him would be a good price Any number I picked would have been dead wrong The winning sales manager said This is the only smart way to buy a car But if everyone did it this way we’d be out of business 10 Those big Internet car-info and buying sites aren’t in business to get you the best price The bulk of their revenue comes from car-company advertising and the 300 referral fees they get when you buy or lease a car from dealers they send you to in their networks Even Consumer Reports which once promised it wouldn’t recommend any product or service for financial gain earns substantial revenue from TrueCar when you drive home a car from the TrueCar dealers CR sends you to in its Build amp Buy service Those sites are in business to help dealers sell cars profitably to pocket those referral commissions which come from your pocket If you contact them for price proposals the dealers in their networks will be on you like red ants on a spilt snow cone Your first discussion with them should be when you call their Internet Sales Managers to get their participation in the Fighting Chance competitive bidding process It ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble It’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so – Mark Twain THE INDUSTRY WANTS US TO BELIEVE THE INVOICE IS A REAL COST NUMBER BUT IT JUST AIN’T SO AND IT AIN’T BEEN SO FOR A LONG LONG TIME 11 The invoice hasn’t been a vehicle cost for well over two decades and probably forever In the mid-1990s the auto industry launched a phony redesign of the automaker-dealer financial relationship by systematically raising the invoice price by more than it raised the retail/sticker price year after year cutting the difference between the two dramatically and turning the invoice into a bloated imposter To see that multi-year ongoing con job click here I unearthed this scam in 2012 by analyzing almost 2 decades of new-car pricing files then wrote a book titled Letting The Cat Out of the Bag – How the Auto Industry Redesigned The Dealer Invoice Price When The Internet Arrived I sent a copy to a friend at USA TODAY and was invited to an 11/27/12 Automotive Roundtable discussion based on that book as to whether online car shopping and information services are believable and are relevant in today’s market The heavyweights there were all senior executives from Carscom Edmunds Kelley Blue Book TrueCar and Consumer Reports That bombshell pricing exhibit was the discussion’s centerpiece You could have heard a pin drop as they read it No one was aware of that fact though it had been right under their noses for 17 years! I asked the Consumer Reports representative Who’s been running your New Car Pricing Service for the past 17 years Rip Van Winkle He was not amused To read most of the USA TODAY Don’t Trust The Invoice Price write-up which dubbed me a peppery contrarian and see my take on that meeting click here That subterfuge has made new-car pricing laughable Check the tiny percentage differences between the base invoice and retail /sticker prices for the most expensive models of each brand Acura/5-7 Audi/7 BMW/6 Buick/4-5 Cadillac/5 Chevy/5-7 Chrysler/1-4 Dodge/3-4 Ford/1-7 Genesis/4-5 GMC/5-7 Honda/3-9 Hyundai/3-5 Infiniti/7 Jeep/2-5 Kia/4-7 Lexus/5-8 Lincoln/4-6 Mazda/3-5 Mercedes/7 Mitsubishi/2-3 Nissan/2-7 Ram/4-9 Subaru/5-7 Toyota/4-9 VW/4 Volvo/6 And that’s if you pay the full sticker price! Who does that The guy who thinks Taco Bell is a Mexican phone company Or the gal who thinks the National Guard is an All-American football player Common Sense: If you and I wanted to start a retail business selling a product with a 100 MSRP that no one would pay but cost us 91 to 99 we’d never open the door to customers! But for decades we both have swallowed hook line and sinker the preposterous notion that the automakers have been telling us what their dealers pay for their cars If that were true and we owned a dealership we’d have gone ballistic decades ago But that’s never happened Ready for a good laugh Here’s the 2019 pricing on the Limited model of the Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid minivan: Invoice: 45291 Retail: 45395! Add the fact that a typical dealership’s overhead expense is 11 to 15 of its revenue and you’ll understand why today’s invoice prices are a total joke And clearly the industry is having a good laugh at our gullibility It’s almost impossible to carry the torch of truth through a crowd without singeing somebody’s beard – George Christoph Lichtenberg Apparently mortified by its two-decade failure to recognize the industry’s phony pricing scheme Consumer Reports dumped one of its major cash cows its New Car Price Service That’s the one they claimed would tell you the dealer’s true cost and how much wiggle room you had And it took just one obvious fact unearthed by this old marketing man to kill it My multiple articles on the website of Clark Howard the country’s best-known and most respected general consumer advocate may have accelerated its demise Can there be any stronger evidence that the way to get the best price on a new car has changed forever The inside story of the discovery of that game-changing fact is told in the book mentioned above available in paperback and Kindle formats at Amazon To read the back cover copy Preface Table of Contents and the first four chapters click here NEW-CAR SALES HAVE HIT A WALL THAT GIVES YOU MOST OF THE NEGOTIATING LEVERAGE IN APRIL All the pent-up demand from the recession has been satisfied 2015 was the last growth year with sales up 57 A 3 gain was forecast for 2016 but the result was a tiny 03 2017 sales slipped 18 to 172 million about 300000 units behind 2016 They inched up just 06 last year then slipped 32 in the first 3 months of this year Car sales fell 108 Trucks inched up 04 This looks like the start of a tough sales year The retail automotive industry expected tough sledding this year with increased sales volatility and likely interest rate hikes Large dealership groups have cut costs laying off people in response AutoNation the 1 group with over 250 retail locations has executed a corporate restructuring with slower industry sales as a key reason Sonic Automotive 5 with over 100 stores has cut 6 of its 9750 employees in a 20 million savings effort As a result the market is more competitive than ever with automakers spending more to move the metal In a word you’ve got more deal-making leverage now than you’ve had in years If you’re planning to get a new car this month this last full week is prime time to get the best price So NOW is the time to place an order WHAT’S IN THE FIGHTING CHANCE PACKAGE 1 You’ll have the only independent unbiased source of truthful information and powerful negotiating advice on the Internet I’ve been focused single-mindedly on this subject since before the Dead Sea got sick and much of that knowledge has come from customers’ feedback 2 You’ll have a coach as you go through the process Got a question Call us Want to run the best lease numbers you’ve received before you sign the papers Call us 3 In the package’s centerpiece How To Conduct The Phone Email competitive bidding you’ll learn exactly what to do and say each step of the way as you conduct the process from your home or office We also tell you the best day of that month to start it This package changes over time Simply faxing or emailing dealers doesn’t work well today 4 You’ll receive our signature Big Picture analysis of how the brands and the specific vehicles you’re considering have been doing in the market Are your model’s sales up or down What’s the current holdback information for brands that use it Several don’t And to the extent we’ve had feedback in this little information boutique how much over or under the total invoice have customers reported paying for it excluding sales tax and vehicle registration fees 5 You’ll get the current sticker/MSRP and dealer invoice pricing data for the vehicles you’re considering covering all the trim levels and factory equipment packages 6 You’ll also get these insightful articles most of them information no other auto-info site tells you Can You Get The Vehicle Configuration You Want Things To Consider About Placing A Factory Order Today Incentives Often Differ From Market To Market Here’s How To Check The Offers Where You Are The Crucial Financial Importance Of A Dealership’s Customer Satisfaction Rating How We Abandoned Our Inborn Common Sense About New-Car Pricing How The Industry Has Turned The Invoice Price Into A Bloated Imposter By Continually Raising It By More Than The MSRP For Over Two Decades How New-Car Dealers Make The Big Bucks And How They Don’t Two Big ‘Fake News’ Sales Come-ons To Ignore The Myth Of Vehicle-Specific Dealer Cash Incentives Important Note On The Pricing Of Dealer-Installed Accessories Have You Chosen A Crashworthy Vehicle Thoughts On Buying A Demo Or Last Year’s Leftover Model Should You Buy An Extended Warranty Dealing With A Trade-In if you tell us you have one Leasing 101: The Straight Skinny if you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Here’s The Information We Need To Analyze Your ‘Best-Offer’ Lease Numbers With You If you’re leasing or undecided THE COST OF THIS UNIQUE PACKAGE: 4995 That includes all the information you need for any one vehicle Additional vehicles: 1500 each More than half of our customers add one or more as fall-back alternatives This could become a small but wise 1500 decision if you find it difficult to deal on your first choice The average new car sells for over 35000 today Important Note: This is a service for NEW VEHICLES ONLY We have no information on used vehicles Also we have NO CANADIAN PRICING DATA HOW TO PLACE AN ORDER AND HOW AND WHEN YOU’LL RECEIVE IT To place an order on our secure encrypted order form click on the Ordering link in the upper left column To see the vehicles for which we have pricing info click on Auto Pricing link in that column If you’d prefer to place a phone order or if you have questions that aren’t answered here you may call our order desk at 1-800-288-1134 between 9:15AM and 4:00PM Pacific time Monday through Friday WE SEND ALL ORDERS VIA EMAIL Most orders received by 3:00PM Pacific time on weekdays will be emailed the same day If we get overwhelmed at times it could take an extra day or two We’re closed on weekends We’ll be here on our customer service number 562-433-8489 to answer your questions and analyze your best lease offer weekdays between 9:15 AM and 4:00 PM Pacific time I look forward to helping you get a great deal on a new car And I hope you’ll visit me when I have to join the Witness Protection program James Bragg Copyright © 2017 Fighting Chance Home 2
MERCEDES SPRINTER 2
Mercedes C 180 2
Ensituntuma: Mercedes-Benz CLA – muodoilla kohti ja älykellot ovat kevään hittejä – Lenkkipolku täyttyy näistä juoksukengistä 2
Mercedes-Benz Autobuses apoya la movilidad de Jalisco 2
Mercedes 1314 4×4 Vehicle – Ireland – €25000 2
Herpa Trucks 307246 Mercedes-Benz 2
Talleres de chapa y pintura de nuestras concesiones Mercedes-Benz 2
Nuevo filtro de habitaculo MERCEDES BENZ Sprinter 2
Movilidad híbrida y Mercedes-Benz Autobuses 2
Mercedes-Benz Autobuses en la Ruta del éxito 2
José Antonio Pozo y Mercedes Bernal 2
2016 Mercedes-Benz GL-Class GL550 4MATIC 2
FETCH MERCEDES BENZ FROM MNGWENGWE – PAC 2
MERCEDES-BENZ 280SE 1967 1
Mercedes parent makes bet on next-generation battery startup 1
2008 MERCEDES-BENZ SLK TRUE YEAR MADE 2008 SLK200K New Facelift Cabriolet 2010 1
Mercedes Benz Virtual GP 1
Το ταχύτερο SUV της Mercedes 1
MB Challenge: Max Mohr conquista mais um pódio na Mercedes-Benz Challenge 1
Calle París Galerías Alcalá Piso uno Las Mercedes 1
IT Mercedes Ábrego 1
Детска акумулатона кола MERCEDES S63 AMG 12V 1
Fenatran 2017 – Mercedes-Benz Scania Volvo e muito mais 1
Mercedes X Class Lease Deal 1
De nieuwe Mercedes-Benz GLS is een luxe slagschip 1
Rumor Mercedes Ingin Verstappen 1
Mercedes não terá a ART e Mucke em 2017 1
Domanig – Mercedes AMG C43S Convertible 1
Mercedes Queixas Zas 1
งานซ่อมสีบังโคลนหน้า กันชน และส่วนอื่นๆ Mercedes Benz E350 Cabriolet สีขาว จัดให้เนียนที่ TS MotorLatest Work Mercedes Benz 1
Víctor Moriñigo y Fernando Bulnes disputarán el rectorado de la la falta de médicos especialistas e insumos en Villa Mercedes 1
Mercedes Unveils New Generation GLS SUV In United States 1
Ferrari veloce ma fragile Mercedes scarica e più vicina 1
Autotest – Mercedes-Benz CLA Coupé 2019 1
1/50 кран Mercedes Liebherr LTF 1030-3 4 оси оч редкий!’ 1
Section 1 Row 24: BMW Jaguar amp Mercedes-Benz Cars added 1
Mercedes-Benz GLS : nouveau SUV grand luxe et high-tech 1
Mercedes AMG 1
The new Mercedes-AMG CLA 35 4MATIC is celebrating its world premiere as part of the New York International Auto Show this week 1
Stigende e-handel påvirker markedet for Control Tower: Mercedes-Benz USA/JDA Live Webinar 1
Mercedes Benz Sprinter – 20/21m3 1
Nowy Mercedes G 2018 1
Mercedes Benz Unimog Full Camper – Germany – €47000 1
01 Mercedes AMG G Class Road Trip Hong Kong 1
Mercedes M W163 servis – Zamena filtera ulja …– VIDEO 1
Сини кожени стелки за MERCEDES AXOR с автоматични скорости – LMMEAX0512S 1
Reparatii Turbosuflanta MERCEDES 1
Mercedes-benz 1:43 Tur Sctutgart 260 cabriolet open 1
Mercedes Benz W140 Руководство По Ремонту 1
2009 MERCEDES ACTROS – RS3 ENGINE SOUNDS – SMHKZL 134X ETS2 1
Mercedes-Benz Citaro G Bus Mockup – Back view PSD Template 1
Mercedes-Benz C-Class CDI Diesel 1
Nowy Mercedes CLA Prowadzi się znakomicie ale nie to w tym aucie jest najważniejsze 1
2011 Speedriven EV12 Mercedes E Class 1
Tin TứcCadillac giới thiệu CT5: Thay thế CTS làm đối trọng với BMW 5 Series hay Mercedes E-Class 1
Nieuwe Mercedes Sprinter – Vernieuwde Roadtrip 1
Mercedes V class в Лондоне 1
Mercedes-AMG Petronas Motorsport 2019 F1 Lewis Hamilton Hat White 1
2013 MERCEDES-BENZ GL-CLASS 1
Mercedes-Benz reveals EQC the all-electric SUV with which it hopes to challenge Tesla 1
Mercedes-Benz Türk 64 adet Sprinter ile Sesli Turizm’in filosunu güçlendirdi 1
Mercedes S 320 1
Камера за MERCEDES S-класа KAMMB01 1
Mercedes Cl Class Reviews Specs Prices Photos And Videos Top Speed 1
Mercedes Benz B Class S550 1
Καυτή έκδοση AMG θα αποκτήσει η Mercedes-Benz GLS 1
Mercedes-benz 300 D 1
Mercedes X-Class: Μια κατηγορία μόνη της 1
1955 Mercedes Benz Renntransporter Blue Wonder 1
Mercedes yıldızına sahip olmanın ekonomisi olmaz 1
A Skill Development Programme at Mercedes Benz 1
Mercedes-Benz S 560 Coupé 4Matic – Jachta na kolech 1
2012 BRABUS Mercedes-Benz SLK 1
2009 MERCEDES BENZ AMG S CLASS 1
Mercedes Benz – First Of A New Kind Making-Of 1
UNICA FRENTE AL AUTODROMO DE MERCEDES !!! 1
Mercedes-Maybach S450 4 Matic 2019 về Việt Nam giá hơn 7 tỷ đồng 1
Mercedes-Benz C-Class и BMW 3 Series назвали самыми разочаровывающими авто 1
Mercedes Benz GL450 Car Rental 1
Erster Check: Mercedes GLB 2019 — Der kann Familie Und teuer 1
Mercedes-benz L 1500 S 1
Herpa Trucks 149020 Mercedes-Benz 1
Mercedes GLK X204 1
Mercedes C Class with Hussla Euro 1
Mercedes-Benz Teases A New AMG Using Pictures More To Come 1
SternKlassik klub Mercedes-Benz W123 W116 W115 1
Mercedes-AMG Petronas Motorsport 2019 F1 Lewis Hamilton Flat Brim Hat Black 1
Nowy Mercedes Klasy B czyli sportowa elegancja 1
Mercedes Benz Spring Event – Alice in Wonderland: 2020 GLE Commercial 1
Xe nhà giàu Mercedes-Maybach S450 4 Matic 2019 đầu tiên về Việt Nam khác biệt từ 2 1
for Mercedes-Benz AMG 6×6 1
Озвучен ценник на Mercedes-Benz B-class для авторынка России 1
Mercedes-Benz pre-owned carsThe reassurance of driving the best 1
Mercedes V-class 2016 With Driver / 4 Seats 1
Mercedes-Benz S-Class S600L 1995 1
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But for decades we both have swallowed hook line and sinker the preposterous notion that the automakers have been telling us what their dealers pay for their cars If that were true and we owned a dealership we’d have gone ballistic decades ago But that’s never happened Ready for a good laugh Here’s the 2019 pricing on the Limited model of the Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid minivan: Invoice: 45291 Retail: 45395! Add the fact that a typical dealership’s overhead expense is 11 to 15 of its revenue and you’ll understand why today’s invoice prices are a total joke And clearly the industry is having a good laugh at our gullibility It’s almost impossible to carry the torch of truth through a crowd without singeing somebody’s beard – George Christoph Lichtenberg Apparently mortified by its two-decade failure to recognize the industry’s phony pricing scheme Consumer Reports dumped one of its major cash cows its New Car Price Service That’s the one they claimed would tell you the dealer’s true cost and how much wiggle room you had And it took just one obvious fact unearthed by this old marketing man to kill it My multiple articles on the website of Clark Howard the country’s best-known and most respected general consumer advocate may have accelerated its demise Can there be any stronger evidence that the way to get the best price on a new car has changed forever The inside story of the discovery of that game-changing fact is told in the book mentioned above available in paperback and Kindle formats at Amazon To read the back cover copy Preface Table of Contents and the first four chapters click here NEW-CAR SALES HAVE HIT A WALL THAT GIVES YOU MOST OF THE NEGOTIATING LEVERAGE IN APRIL All the pent-up demand from the recession has been satisfied 2015 was the last growth year with sales up 57 A 3 gain was forecast for 2016 but the result was a tiny 03 2017 sales slipped 18 to 172 million about 300000 units behind 2016 They inched up just 06 last year then slipped 32 in the first 3 months of this year Car sales fell 108 Trucks inched up 04 This looks like the start of a tough sales year The retail automotive industry expected tough sledding this year with increased sales volatility and likely interest rate hikes Large dealership groups have cut costs laying off people in response AutoNation the 1 group with over 250 retail locations has executed a corporate restructuring with slower industry sales as a key reason Sonic Automotive 5 with over 100 stores has cut 6 of its 9750 employees in a 20 million savings effort As a result the market is more competitive than ever with automakers spending more to move the metal In a word you’ve got more deal-making leverage now than you’ve had in years If you’re planning to get a new car this month this last full week is prime time to get the best price So NOW is the time to place an order WHAT’S IN THE FIGHTING CHANCE PACKAGE 1 You’ll have the only independent unbiased source of truthful information and powerful negotiating advice on the Internet I’ve been focused single-mindedly on this subject since before the Dead Sea got sick and much of that knowledge has come from customers’ feedback 2 You’ll have a coach as you go through the process Got a question Call us Want to run the best lease numbers you’ve received before you sign the papers Call us 3 In the package’s centerpiece How To Conduct The Phone Email competitive bidding 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Vehicle Configuration You Want Things To Consider About Placing A Factory Order Today Incentives Often Differ From Market To Market Here’s How To Check The Offers Where You Are The Crucial Financial Importance Of A Dealership’s Customer Satisfaction Rating How We Abandoned Our Inborn Common Sense About New-Car Pricing How The Industry Has Turned The Invoice Price Into A Bloated Imposter By Continually Raising It By More Than The MSRP For Over Two Decades How New-Car Dealers Make The Big Bucks And How They Don’t Two Big ‘Fake News’ Sales Come-ons To Ignore The Myth Of Vehicle-Specific Dealer Cash Incentives Important Note On The Pricing Of Dealer-Installed Accessories Have You Chosen A Crashworthy Vehicle Thoughts On Buying A Demo Or Last Year’s Leftover Model Should You Buy An Extended Warranty Dealing With A Trade-In if you tell us you have one Leasing 101: The Straight Skinny if you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Here’s The Information We Need To Analyze Your ‘Best-Offer’ Lease 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11 The invoice hasn’t been a vehicle cost for well over two decades and probably forever In the mid-1990s the auto industry launched a phony redesign of the automaker-dealer financial relationship by systematically raising the invoice price by more than it raised the retail/sticker price year after year cutting the difference between the two dramatically and turning the invoice into a bloated imposter To see that multi-year ongoing con job click here I unearthed this scam in 2012 by analyzing almost 2 decades of new-car pricing files then wrote a book titled Letting The Cat Out of the Bag – How the Auto Industry Redesigned The Dealer Invoice Price When The Internet Arrived I sent a copy to a friend at USA TODAY and was invited to an 11/27/12 Automotive Roundtable discussion based on that book as to whether online car shopping and information services are believable and are relevant in today’s market The heavyweights there were all senior executives from Carscom Edmunds Kelley Blue Book TrueCar and Consumer Reports That bombshell pricing exhibit was the discussion’s centerpiece You could have heard a pin drop as they read it No one was aware of that fact though it had been right under their noses for 17 years! I asked the Consumer Reports representative Who’s been running your New Car Pricing Service for the past 17 years Rip Van Winkle He was not amused To read most of the USA TODAY Don’t Trust The Invoice Price write-up which dubbed me a peppery contrarian and see my take on that meeting click here That subterfuge has made new-car pricing laughable Check the tiny percentage differences between the base invoice and retail /sticker prices for the most expensive models of each brand Acura/5-7 Audi/7 BMW/6 Buick/4-5 Cadillac/5 Chevy/5-7 Chrysler/1-4 Dodge/3-4 Ford/1-7 Genesis/4-5 GMC/5-7 Honda/3-9 Hyundai/3-5 Infiniti/7 Jeep/2-5 Kia/4-7 Lexus/5-8 Lincoln/4-6 Mazda/3-5 Mercedes/7 Mitsubishi/2-3 Nissan/2-7 Ram/4-9 Subaru/5-7 Toyota/4-9 VW/4 Volvo/6 And that’s if you pay the full sticker price! Who does that The guy who thinks Taco Bell is a Mexican phone company Or the gal who thinks the National Guard is an All-American football player Common Sense: If you and I wanted to start a retail business selling a product with a 100 MSRP that no one would pay but cost us 91 to 99 we’d never open the door to customers! But for decades we both have swallowed hook line and sinker the preposterous notion that the automakers have been telling us what their dealers pay for their cars If that were true and we owned a dealership we’d have gone ballistic decades ago But that’s never happened Ready for a good laugh Here’s the 2019 pricing on the Limited model of the Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid minivan: Invoice: 45291 Retail: 45395! Add the fact that a typical dealership’s overhead expense is 11 to 15 of its revenue and you’ll understand why today’s invoice prices are a total joke And clearly the industry is having a good laugh at our gullibility It’s almost impossible to carry the torch of truth through a crowd without singeing somebody’s beard – George Christoph Lichtenberg Apparently mortified by its two-decade failure to recognize the industry’s phony pricing scheme Consumer Reports dumped one of its major cash cows its New Car Price Service That’s the one they claimed would tell you the dealer’s true cost and how much wiggle room you had And it took just one obvious fact unearthed by this old marketing man to kill it My multiple articles on the website of Clark Howard the country’s best-known and most respected general consumer advocate may have accelerated its demise Can there be any stronger evidence that the way to get the best price on a new car has changed forever The inside story of the discovery of that game-changing fact is told in the book mentioned above available in paperback and Kindle formats at Amazon To read the back cover copy Preface Table of Contents and the first four chapters click here NEW-CAR SALES HAVE HIT A WALL THAT GIVES YOU MOST OF THE NEGOTIATING LEVERAGE IN APRIL All the pent-up demand from the recession has been satisfied 2015 was the last growth year with sales up 57 A 3 gain was forecast for 2016 but the result was a tiny 03 2017 sales slipped 18 to 172 million about 300000 units behind 2016 They inched up just 06 last year then slipped 32 in the first 3 months of this year Car sales fell 108 Trucks inched up 04 This looks like the start of a tough sales year The retail automotive industry expected tough sledding this year with increased sales volatility and likely interest rate hikes Large dealership groups have cut costs laying off people in response AutoNation the 1 group with over 250 retail locations has executed a corporate restructuring with slower industry sales as a key reason Sonic Automotive 5 with over 100 stores has cut 6 of its 9750 employees in a 20 million savings effort As a result the market is more competitive than ever with automakers spending more to move the metal In a word you’ve got more deal-making leverage now than you’ve had in years If you’re planning to get a new car this month this last full week is prime time to get the best price So NOW is the time to place an order WHAT’S IN THE FIGHTING CHANCE PACKAGE 1 You’ll have the only independent unbiased source of truthful information and powerful negotiating advice on the Internet I’ve been focused single-mindedly on this subject since before the Dead Sea got sick and much of that knowledge has come from customers’ feedback 2 You’ll have a coach as you go through the process Got a question Call us Want to run the best lease numbers you’ve received before you sign the papers Call us 3 In the package’s centerpiece How To Conduct The Phone Email competitive bidding you’ll learn exactly what to do and say each step of the way as you conduct the process from your home or office We also tell you the best day of that month to start it This package changes over time Simply faxing or emailing dealers doesn’t work well today 4 You’ll receive our signature Big Picture analysis of how the brands and the specific vehicles you’re considering have been doing in the market Are your model’s sales up or down What’s the current holdback information for brands that use it Several don’t And to the extent we’ve had feedback in this little information boutique how much over or under the total invoice have customers reported paying for it excluding sales tax and vehicle registration fees 5 You’ll get the current sticker/MSRP and dealer invoice pricing data for the vehicles you’re considering covering all the trim levels and factory equipment packages 6 You’ll also get these insightful articles most of them information no other auto-info site tells you Can You Get The Vehicle Configuration You Want Things To Consider About Placing A Factory Order Today Incentives Often Differ From Market To Market Here’s How To Check The Offers Where You Are The Crucial Financial Importance Of A Dealership’s Customer Satisfaction Rating How We Abandoned Our Inborn Common Sense About New-Car Pricing How The Industry Has Turned The Invoice Price Into A Bloated Imposter By Continually Raising It By More Than The MSRP For Over Two Decades How New-Car Dealers Make The Big Bucks And How They Don’t Two Big ‘Fake News’ Sales Come-ons To Ignore The Myth Of Vehicle-Specific Dealer Cash Incentives Important Note On The Pricing Of Dealer-Installed Accessories Have You Chosen A Crashworthy Vehicle Thoughts On Buying A Demo Or Last Year’s Leftover Model Should You Buy An Extended Warranty Dealing With A Trade-In if you tell us you have one Leasing 101: The Straight Skinny if you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Here’s The Information We Need To Analyze Your ‘Best-Offer’ Lease Numbers With You If you’re leasing or undecided THE COST OF THIS UNIQUE PACKAGE: 4995 That includes all the information you need for any one vehicle Additional vehicles: 1500 each More than half of our customers add one or more as fall-back alternatives This could become a small but wise 1500 decision if you find it difficult to deal on your first choice The average new car sells for over 35000 today Important Note: This is a service for NEW VEHICLES ONLY We have no information on used vehicles Also we have NO CANADIAN PRICING DATA HOW TO PLACE AN ORDER AND HOW AND WHEN YOU’LL RECEIVE IT To place an order on our secure encrypted order form click on the Ordering link in the upper left column To see the vehicles for which we have pricing info click on Auto Pricing link in that column If you’d prefer to place a phone order or if you have questions that aren’t answered here you may call our order desk at 1-800-288-1134 between 9:15AM and 4:00PM Pacific time Monday through Friday WE SEND 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146000 new-car shoppers have used our competitive bidding process to get the lowest price possible without walking into a single car store to haggle With our empowering guide to buying or leasing a new car you’ll be in total control conducting the process from your home or office among several dealers that you choose We teach you exactly what to say and do and when to do it And we’ll be here to answer your questions by phone including going through your best-offer lease numbers WARNING! Our facts and recommendations contradict almost everything you’re being told by those big new-car buying and info sites which get all their revenue from the automakers and the dealers they send you to But it’s 2019 not 1994 and it’s time you stopped looking at the way to buy a new car through their broken rear-view mirrors Your responsibility as a person is to constantly update your positions on as many things as possible If you don’t contradict yourself regularly you’re not thinking – Malcolm Gladwell THE TRUTH MATTERS THESE ARE THE ESSENTIAL FACTS THEY DON’T WANT YOU TO KNOW 1 You are shopping for a commodity It’s the same car with the same price structure at every dealer selling that brand Think copper crude oil pork bellies soybeans I learned that in 1997 when a customer shopping for a Ford Contour compact sedan called and said I just contacted 12 Ford dealers for price proposals and it was like rolling a bottle of wine into a jail cell full of drunks! 2 Every dealer’s fiercest competitors aren’t other brands They’re the other stores selling the same brand Every new-car shopper ends up choosing one brand’s vehicle And every brand has from hundreds to over 3000 dealers 3 The art of any deal is one little word: leverage Yet most new-car shoppers still play the fool’s game by walking into car stores one at a time to haggle the price a game they always lose because their leverage is a big fat zero 4 The leverage shifts dramatically from the dealer to you when you get several of them competing for your business – ideally at least 9 or 10 no matter how far from you they are Few dealerships decline to participate because the retail car business has hit a wall entering a multi-year no/slow growth period 5 Holdback is fading into the sunset That’s money dealers get from automakers after a sale is made These luxury brands have already dumped it: Audi BMW Cadillac Infiniti Jaguar Land Rover Lexus Lincoln and Mercedes-Benz I expect other brands to follow suit over the next several years 6 Factory-to-dealer cash programs today are rarely vehicle-specific Instead they’re based on secret multi-month total sales targets that are set dealer-by-dealer And an important part of that cash bonus is usually also based on more subjective elements like the effectiveness of a dealership’s factory-certified used car employee training and online marketing programs as well as on customers’ dealer satisfaction ratings from their sales and service experiences 7 The new-car business has a significant seasonality pattern with monthly sales ranging from under 7 to over 11 of a year’s total So dealers must keep their cumulative sales in synch with cumulative seasonality to reach their multi-month targets 8 Given that reality there are almost always some dealerships trailing their targets and more strongly motivated to make aggressive price proposals than others And this month’s low bidder may be next month’s high bidder depending on its sales status then 9 There is never a good price or right price to pay for any new car The only right price is the best out-the-door price you can get by having at least 9 or 10 dealers compete for your business That’s the agreed-upon price of the car plus sales tax state registration fees and any other dealer charges Example: A customer got 9 dealers to compete for the redesigned Honda CR-V and paid 1090 below invoice The 8 other bids: 900 below 510 below 410 below 180 below and 300 over invoice 460 over 530 over and 930 over – a 2020 spread! What should I have told him would be a good price Any number I picked would have been dead wrong The winning sales manager said This is the only smart way to buy a car But if everyone did it this way we’d be out of business 10 Those big Internet car-info and buying sites aren’t in business to get you the best price The bulk of their revenue comes from car-company advertising and the 300 referral fees they get when you buy or lease a car from dealers they send you to in their networks Even Consumer Reports which once promised it wouldn’t recommend any product or service for financial gain earns substantial revenue from TrueCar when you drive home a car from the TrueCar dealers CR sends you to in its Build amp Buy service Those sites are in business to help dealers sell cars profitably to pocket those referral commissions which come from your pocket If you contact them for price proposals the dealers in their networks will be on you like red ants on a spilt snow cone Your first discussion with them should be when you call their Internet Sales Managers to get their participation in the Fighting Chance competitive bidding process It ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble It’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so – Mark Twain THE INDUSTRY WANTS US TO BELIEVE THE INVOICE IS A REAL COST NUMBER BUT IT JUST AIN’T SO AND IT AIN’T BEEN SO FOR A LONG LONG TIME 11 The invoice hasn’t been a vehicle cost for well over two decades and probably forever In the mid-1990s the auto industry launched a phony redesign of the automaker-dealer financial relationship by systematically raising the invoice price by more than it raised the retail/sticker price year after year cutting the difference between the two dramatically and turning the invoice into a bloated imposter To see that multi-year ongoing con job click here I unearthed this scam in 2012 by analyzing almost 2 decades of new-car pricing files then wrote a book titled Letting The Cat Out of the Bag – How the Auto Industry Redesigned The Dealer Invoice Price When The Internet Arrived I sent a copy to a friend at USA TODAY and was invited to an 11/27/12 Automotive Roundtable discussion based on that book as to whether online car shopping and information services are believable and are relevant in today’s market The heavyweights there were all senior executives from Carscom Edmunds Kelley Blue Book TrueCar and Consumer Reports That bombshell pricing exhibit was the discussion’s centerpiece You could have heard a pin drop as they read it No one was aware of that fact though it had been right under their noses for 17 years! I asked the Consumer Reports representative Who’s been running your New Car Pricing Service for the past 17 years Rip Van Winkle He was not amused To read most of the USA TODAY Don’t Trust The Invoice Price write-up which dubbed me a peppery contrarian and see my take on that meeting click here That subterfuge has made new-car pricing laughable Check the tiny percentage differences between the base invoice and retail /sticker prices for the most expensive models of each brand Acura/5-7 Audi/7 BMW/6 Buick/4-5 Cadillac/5 Chevy/5-7 Chrysler/1-4 Dodge/3-4 Ford/1-7 Genesis/4-5 GMC/5-7 Honda/3-9 Hyundai/3-5 Infiniti/7 Jeep/2-5 Kia/4-7 Lexus/5-8 Lincoln/4-6 Mazda/3-5 Mercedes/7 Mitsubishi/2-3 Nissan/2-7 Ram/4-9 Subaru/5-7 Toyota/4-9 VW/4 Volvo/6 And that’s if you pay the full sticker price! Who does that The guy who thinks Taco Bell is a Mexican phone company Or the gal who thinks the National Guard is an All-American football player Common Sense: If you and I wanted to start a retail business selling a product with a 100 MSRP that no one would pay but cost us 91 to 99 we’d never open the door to customers! But for decades we both have swallowed hook line and sinker the preposterous notion that the automakers have been telling us what their dealers pay for their cars If that were true and we owned a dealership we’d have gone ballistic decades ago But that’s never happened Ready for a good laugh Here’s the 2019 pricing on the Limited model of the Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid minivan: Invoice: 45291 Retail: 45395! Add the fact that a typical dealership’s overhead expense is 11 to 15 of its revenue and you’ll understand why today’s invoice prices are a total joke And clearly the industry is having a good laugh at our gullibility It’s almost impossible to carry the torch of truth through a crowd without singeing somebody’s beard – George Christoph Lichtenberg Apparently mortified by its two-decade failure to recognize the industry’s phony pricing scheme Consumer Reports dumped one of its major cash cows its New Car Price Service That’s the one they claimed would tell you the dealer’s true cost and how much wiggle room you had And it took just one obvious fact unearthed by this old marketing man to kill it My multiple articles on the website of Clark Howard the country’s best-known and most respected general consumer advocate may have accelerated its demise Can there be any stronger evidence that the way to get the best price on a new car has changed forever The inside story of the discovery of that game-changing fact is told in the book mentioned above available in paperback and Kindle formats at Amazon To read the back cover copy Preface Table of Contents and the first four chapters click here NEW-CAR SALES HAVE HIT A WALL THAT GIVES YOU MOST OF THE NEGOTIATING LEVERAGE IN APRIL All the pent-up demand from the recession has been satisfied 2015 was the last growth year with sales up 57 A 3 gain was forecast for 2016 but the result was a tiny 03 2017 sales slipped 18 to 172 million about 300000 units behind 2016 They inched up just 06 last year then slipped 32 in the first 3 months of this year Car sales fell 108 Trucks inched up 04 This looks like the start of a tough sales year The retail automotive industry expected tough sledding this year with increased sales volatility and likely interest rate hikes Large dealership groups have cut costs laying off people in response AutoNation the 1 group with over 250 retail locations has executed a corporate restructuring with slower industry sales as a key reason Sonic Automotive 5 with over 100 stores has cut 6 of its 9750 employees in a 20 million savings effort As a result the market is more competitive than ever with automakers spending more to move the metal In a word you’ve got more deal-making leverage now than you’ve had in years If you’re planning to get a new car this month this last full week is prime time to get the best price So NOW is the time to place an order WHAT’S IN THE FIGHTING CHANCE PACKAGE 1 You’ll have the only independent unbiased source of truthful information and powerful negotiating advice on the Internet I’ve been focused single-mindedly on this subject since before the Dead Sea got sick and much of that knowledge has come from customers’ feedback 2 You’ll have a coach as you go through the process Got a question Call us Want to run the best lease numbers you’ve received before you sign the papers Call us 3 In the package’s centerpiece How To Conduct The Phone Email competitive bidding you’ll learn exactly what to do and say each step of the way as you conduct the process from your home or office We also tell you the best day of that month to start it This package changes over time Simply faxing or emailing dealers doesn’t work well today 4 You’ll receive our signature Big Picture analysis of how the brands and the specific vehicles you’re considering have been doing in the market Are your model’s sales up or down What’s the current holdback information for brands that use it Several don’t And to the extent we’ve had feedback in this little information boutique how much over or under the total invoice have customers reported paying for it excluding sales tax and vehicle registration fees 5 You’ll get the current sticker/MSRP and dealer invoice pricing data for the vehicles you’re considering covering all the trim levels and factory equipment packages 6 You’ll also get these insightful articles most of them information no other auto-info site tells you Can You Get The Vehicle Configuration You Want Things To Consider About Placing A Factory Order Today Incentives Often Differ From Market To Market Here’s How To Check The Offers Where You Are The Crucial Financial Importance Of A Dealership’s Customer Satisfaction Rating How We Abandoned Our Inborn Common Sense About New-Car Pricing How The Industry Has Turned The Invoice Price Into A Bloated Imposter By Continually Raising It By More Than The MSRP For Over Two Decades How New-Car Dealers Make The Big Bucks And How They Don’t Two Big ‘Fake News’ Sales Come-ons To Ignore The Myth Of Vehicle-Specific Dealer Cash Incentives Important Note On The Pricing Of Dealer-Installed Accessories Have You Chosen A Crashworthy Vehicle Thoughts On Buying A Demo Or Last Year’s Leftover Model Should You Buy An Extended Warranty Dealing With A Trade-In if you tell us you have one Leasing 101: The Straight Skinny if you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Here’s The Information We Need To Analyze Your ‘Best-Offer’ Lease Numbers With You If you’re leasing or undecided THE COST OF THIS UNIQUE PACKAGE: 4995 That includes all the information you need for any one vehicle Additional vehicles: 1500 each More than half of our customers add one or more as fall-back alternatives This could become a small but wise 1500 decision if you find it difficult to deal on your first choice The average new car sells for over 35000 today Important Note: This is a service for NEW VEHICLES ONLY We have no information on used vehicles Also we have NO CANADIAN PRICING DATA HOW TO PLACE AN ORDER AND HOW AND WHEN YOU’LL RECEIVE IT To place an order on our secure encrypted order form click on the Ordering link in the upper left column To see the vehicles for which we have pricing info click on Auto Pricing link in that column If you’d prefer to place a phone order or if you have questions that aren’t answered here you may call our order desk at 1-800-288-1134 between 9:15AM and 4:00PM Pacific time Monday through Friday WE SEND 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There are essential game-changing facts about the new-car business that the industry and those big auto-info websites have hidden from you for decades – facts that shift the negotiating leverage from the dealers to you Someone needed the hunger for the truth the tenacity to uncover it and the backbone and guts to reveal it to you I was the only candidate James Bragg 146000 new-car shoppers have used our competitive bidding process to get the lowest price possible without walking into a single car store to haggle With our empowering guide to buying or leasing a new car you’ll be in total control conducting the process from your home or office among several dealers that you choose We teach you exactly what to say and do and when to do it And we’ll be here to answer your questions by phone including going through your best-offer lease numbers WARNING! Our facts and recommendations contradict almost everything you’re being told by those big new-car buying and info sites which get all their revenue from the automakers and the dealers they send you to But it’s 2019 not 1994 and it’s time you stopped looking at the way to buy a new car through their broken rear-view mirrors Your responsibility as a person is to constantly update your positions on as many things as possible If you don’t contradict yourself regularly you’re not thinking – Malcolm Gladwell THE TRUTH MATTERS THESE ARE THE ESSENTIAL FACTS THEY DON’T WANT YOU TO KNOW 1 You are shopping for a commodity It’s the same car with the same price structure at every dealer selling that brand Think copper crude oil pork bellies soybeans I learned that in 1997 when a customer shopping for a Ford Contour compact sedan called and said I just contacted 12 Ford dealers for price proposals and it was like rolling a bottle of wine into a jail cell full of drunks! 2 Every dealer’s fiercest competitors aren’t other brands They’re the other stores selling the same brand Every new-car shopper ends up choosing one brand’s vehicle And every brand has from hundreds to over 3000 dealers 3 The art of any deal is one little word: leverage Yet most new-car shoppers still play the fool’s game by walking into car stores one at a time to haggle the price a game they always lose because their leverage is a big fat zero 4 The leverage shifts dramatically from the dealer to you when you get several of them competing for your business – ideally at least 9 or 10 no matter how far from you they are Few dealerships decline to participate because the retail car business has hit a wall entering a multi-year no/slow growth period 5 Holdback is fading into the sunset That’s money dealers get from automakers after a sale is made These luxury brands have already dumped it: Audi BMW Cadillac Infiniti Jaguar Land Rover Lexus Lincoln and Mercedes-Benz I expect other brands to follow suit over the next several years 6 Factory-to-dealer cash programs today are rarely vehicle-specific Instead they’re based on secret multi-month total sales targets that are set dealer-by-dealer And an important part of that cash bonus is usually also based on more subjective elements like the effectiveness of a dealership’s factory-certified used car employee training and online marketing programs as well as on customers’ dealer satisfaction ratings from their sales and service experiences 7 The new-car business has a significant seasonality pattern with monthly sales ranging from under 7 to over 11 of a year’s total So dealers must keep their cumulative sales in synch with cumulative seasonality to reach their multi-month targets 8 Given that reality there are almost always some dealerships trailing their targets and more strongly motivated to make aggressive price proposals than others And this month’s low bidder may be next month’s high bidder depending on its sales status then 9 There is never a good price or right price to pay for any new car The only right price is the best out-the-door price you can get by having at least 9 or 10 dealers compete for your business That’s the agreed-upon price of the car plus sales tax state registration fees and any other dealer charges Example: A customer got 9 dealers to compete for the redesigned Honda CR-V and paid 1090 below invoice The 8 other bids: 900 below 510 below 410 below 180 below and 300 over invoice 460 over 530 over and 930 over – a 2020 spread! What should I have told him would be a good price Any number I picked would have been dead wrong The winning sales manager said This is the only smart way to buy a car But if everyone did it this way we’d be out of business 10 Those big Internet car-info and buying sites aren’t in business to get you the best price The bulk of their revenue comes from car-company advertising and the 300 referral fees they get when you buy or lease a car from dealers they send you to in their networks Even Consumer Reports which once promised it wouldn’t recommend any product or service for financial gain earns substantial revenue from TrueCar when you drive home a car from the TrueCar dealers CR sends you to in its Build amp Buy service Those sites are in business to help dealers sell cars profitably to pocket those referral commissions which come from your pocket If you contact them for price proposals the dealers in their networks will be on you like red ants on a spilt snow cone Your first discussion with them should be when you call their Internet Sales Managers to get their participation in the Fighting Chance competitive bidding process It ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble It’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so – Mark Twain THE INDUSTRY WANTS US TO BELIEVE THE INVOICE IS A REAL COST NUMBER BUT IT JUST AIN’T SO AND IT AIN’T BEEN SO FOR A LONG LONG TIME 11 The invoice hasn’t been a vehicle cost for well over two decades and probably forever In the mid-1990s the auto industry launched a phony redesign of the automaker-dealer financial relationship by systematically raising the invoice price by more than it raised the retail/sticker price year after year cutting the difference between the two dramatically and turning the invoice into a bloated imposter To see that multi-year ongoing con job click here I unearthed this scam in 2012 by analyzing almost 2 decades of new-car pricing files then wrote a book titled Letting The Cat Out of the Bag – How the Auto Industry Redesigned The Dealer Invoice Price When The Internet Arrived I sent a copy to a friend at USA TODAY and was invited to an 11/27/12 Automotive Roundtable discussion based on that book as to whether online car shopping and information services are believable and are relevant in today’s market The heavyweights there were all senior executives from Carscom Edmunds Kelley Blue Book TrueCar and Consumer Reports That bombshell pricing exhibit was the discussion’s centerpiece You could have heard a pin drop as they read it No one was aware of that fact though it had been right under their noses for 17 years! I asked the Consumer Reports representative Who’s been running your New Car Pricing Service for the past 17 years Rip Van Winkle He was not amused To read most of the USA TODAY Don’t Trust The Invoice Price write-up which dubbed me a peppery contrarian and see my take on that meeting click here That subterfuge has made new-car pricing laughable Check the tiny percentage differences between the base invoice and retail /sticker prices for the most expensive models of each brand Acura/5-7 Audi/7 BMW/6 Buick/4-5 Cadillac/5 Chevy/5-7 Chrysler/1-4 Dodge/3-4 Ford/1-7 Genesis/4-5 GMC/5-7 Honda/3-9 Hyundai/3-5 Infiniti/7 Jeep/2-5 Kia/4-7 Lexus/5-8 Lincoln/4-6 Mazda/3-5 Mercedes/7 Mitsubishi/2-3 Nissan/2-7 Ram/4-9 Subaru/5-7 Toyota/4-9 VW/4 Volvo/6 And that’s if you pay the full sticker price! Who does that The guy who thinks Taco Bell is a Mexican phone company Or the gal who thinks the National Guard is an All-American football player Common Sense: If you and I wanted to start a retail business selling a product with a 100 MSRP that no one would pay but cost us 91 to 99 we’d never open the door to customers! But for decades we both have swallowed hook line and sinker the preposterous notion that the automakers have been telling us what their dealers pay for their cars If that were true and we owned a dealership we’d have gone ballistic decades ago But that’s never happened Ready for a good laugh Here’s the 2019 pricing on the Limited model of the Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid minivan: Invoice: 45291 Retail: 45395! Add the fact that a typical dealership’s overhead expense is 11 to 15 of its revenue and you’ll understand why today’s invoice prices are a total joke And clearly the industry is having a good laugh at our gullibility It’s almost impossible to carry the torch of truth through a crowd without singeing somebody’s beard – George Christoph Lichtenberg Apparently mortified by its two-decade failure to recognize the industry’s phony pricing scheme Consumer Reports dumped one of its major cash cows its New Car Price Service That’s the one they claimed would tell you the dealer’s true cost and how much wiggle room you had And it took just one obvious fact unearthed by this old marketing man to kill it My multiple articles on the website of Clark Howard the country’s best-known and most respected general consumer advocate may have accelerated its demise Can there be any stronger evidence that the way to get the best price on a new car has changed forever The inside story of the discovery of that game-changing fact is told in the book mentioned above available in paperback and Kindle formats at Amazon To read the back cover copy Preface Table of Contents and the first four chapters click here NEW-CAR SALES HAVE HIT A WALL THAT GIVES YOU MOST OF THE NEGOTIATING LEVERAGE IN APRIL All the pent-up demand from the recession has been satisfied 2015 was the last growth year with sales up 57 A 3 gain was forecast for 2016 but the result was a tiny 03 2017 sales slipped 18 to 172 million about 300000 units behind 2016 They inched up just 06 last year then slipped 32 in the first 3 months of this year Car sales fell 108 Trucks inched up 04 This looks like the start of a tough sales year The retail automotive industry expected tough sledding this year with increased sales volatility and likely interest rate hikes Large dealership groups have cut costs laying off people in response AutoNation the 1 group with over 250 retail locations has executed a corporate restructuring with slower 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you’ll learn exactly what to do and say each step of the way as you conduct the process from your home or office We also tell you the best day of that month to start it This package changes over time Simply faxing or emailing dealers doesn’t work well today 4 You’ll receive our signature Big Picture analysis of how the brands and the specific vehicles you’re considering have been doing in the market Are your model’s sales up or down What’s the current holdback information for brands that use it Several don’t And to the extent we’ve had feedback in this little information boutique how much over or under the total invoice have customers reported paying for it excluding sales tax and vehicle registration fees 5 You’ll get the current sticker/MSRP and dealer invoice pricing data for the vehicles you’re considering covering all the trim levels and factory equipment packages 6 You’ll also get these insightful articles most of them information no other auto-info site tells you Can You Get The Vehicle Configuration You Want Things To Consider About Placing A Factory Order Today Incentives Often Differ From Market To Market Here’s How To Check The Offers Where You Are The Crucial Financial Importance Of A Dealership’s Customer Satisfaction Rating How We Abandoned Our Inborn Common Sense About New-Car Pricing How The Industry Has Turned The Invoice Price Into A Bloated Imposter By Continually Raising It By More Than The MSRP For Over Two Decades How New-Car Dealers Make The Big Bucks And How They Don’t Two Big ‘Fake News’ Sales Come-ons To Ignore The Myth Of Vehicle-Specific Dealer Cash Incentives Important Note On The Pricing Of Dealer-Installed Accessories Have You Chosen A Crashworthy Vehicle Thoughts On Buying A Demo Or Last Year’s Leftover Model Should You Buy An Extended Warranty Dealing With A Trade-In if you tell us you have one Leasing 101: The Straight Skinny if you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Here’s The Information We Need To Analyze Your ‘Best-Offer’ Lease 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THE TRUTH MATTERS THESE ARE THE ESSENTIAL FACTS THEY DON’T WANT YOU TO KNOW 1 You are shopping for a commodity It’s the same car with the same price structure at every dealer selling that brand Think copper crude oil pork bellies soybeans I learned that in 1997 when a customer shopping for a Ford Contour compact sedan called and said I just contacted 12 Ford dealers for price proposals and it was like rolling a bottle of wine into a jail cell full of drunks! 2 Every dealer’s fiercest competitors aren’t other brands They’re the other stores selling the same brand Every new-car shopper ends up choosing one brand’s vehicle And every brand has from hundreds to over 3000 dealers 3 The art of any deal is one little word: leverage Yet most new-car shoppers still play the fool’s game by walking into car stores one at a time to haggle the price a game they always lose because their leverage is a big fat zero 4 The leverage shifts dramatically from the dealer to you when you get several of them competing for your business – ideally at least 9 or 10 no matter how far from you they are Few dealerships decline to participate because the retail car business has hit a wall entering a multi-year no/slow growth period 5 Holdback is fading into the sunset That’s money dealers get from automakers after a sale is made These luxury brands have already dumped it: Audi BMW Cadillac Infiniti Jaguar Land Rover Lexus Lincoln and Mercedes-Benz I expect other brands to follow suit over the next several years 6 Factory-to-dealer cash programs today are rarely vehicle-specific Instead they’re based on secret multi-month total sales targets that are set dealer-by-dealer And an important part of that cash bonus is usually also based on more subjective elements like the effectiveness of a dealership’s factory-certified used car employee training and online marketing programs as well as on customers’ dealer satisfaction ratings from their sales and service experiences 7 The new-car business has a significant seasonality pattern with monthly sales ranging from under 7 to over 11 of a year’s total So dealers must keep their cumulative sales in synch with cumulative seasonality to reach their multi-month targets 8 Given that reality there are almost always some dealerships trailing their targets and more strongly motivated to make aggressive price proposals than others And this month’s low bidder may be next month’s high bidder depending on its sales status then 9 There is never a good price or right price to pay for any new car The only right price is the best out-the-door price you can get by having at least 9 or 10 dealers compete for your business That’s the agreed-upon price of the car plus sales tax state registration fees and any other dealer charges Example: A customer got 9 dealers to compete for the redesigned Honda CR-V and paid 1090 below invoice The 8 other bids: 900 below 510 below 410 below 180 below and 300 over invoice 460 over 530 over and 930 over – a 2020 spread! What should I have told him would be a good price Any number I picked would have been dead wrong The winning sales manager said This is the only smart way to buy a car But if everyone did it this way we’d be out of business 10 Those big Internet car-info and buying sites aren’t in business to get you the best price The bulk of their revenue comes from car-company advertising and the 300 referral fees they get when you buy or lease a car from dealers they send you to in their networks Even Consumer Reports which once promised it wouldn’t recommend any product or service for financial gain earns substantial revenue from TrueCar when you drive home a car from the TrueCar dealers CR sends you to in its Build amp Buy service Those sites are in business to help dealers sell cars profitably to pocket those referral commissions which come from your pocket If you contact them for price proposals the dealers in their networks will be on you like red ants on a spilt snow cone Your first discussion with them should be when you call their Internet Sales Managers to get their participation in the Fighting Chance competitive bidding process It ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble It’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so – Mark Twain THE INDUSTRY WANTS US TO BELIEVE THE INVOICE IS A REAL COST NUMBER BUT IT JUST AIN’T SO AND IT AIN’T BEEN SO FOR A LONG LONG TIME 11 The invoice hasn’t been a vehicle cost for well over two decades and probably forever In the mid-1990s the auto industry launched a phony redesign of the automaker-dealer financial relationship by systematically raising the invoice price by more than it raised the retail/sticker price year after year cutting the difference between the two dramatically and turning the invoice into a bloated imposter To see that multi-year ongoing con job click here I unearthed this scam in 2012 by analyzing almost 2 decades of new-car pricing files then wrote a book titled Letting The Cat Out of the Bag – How the Auto Industry Redesigned The Dealer Invoice Price When The Internet Arrived I sent a copy to a friend at USA TODAY and was invited to an 11/27/12 Automotive Roundtable discussion based on that book as to whether online car shopping and information services are believable and are relevant in today’s market The heavyweights there were all senior executives from Carscom Edmunds Kelley Blue Book TrueCar and Consumer Reports That bombshell pricing exhibit was the discussion’s centerpiece You could have heard a pin drop as they read it No one was aware of that fact though it had been right under their noses for 17 years! I asked the Consumer Reports representative Who’s been running your New Car Pricing Service for the past 17 years Rip Van Winkle He was not amused To read most of the USA TODAY Don’t Trust The Invoice Price write-up which dubbed me a peppery contrarian and see my take on that meeting click here That subterfuge has made new-car pricing laughable Check the tiny percentage differences between the base invoice and retail /sticker prices for the most expensive models of each brand Acura/5-7 Audi/7 BMW/6 Buick/4-5 Cadillac/5 Chevy/5-7 Chrysler/1-4 Dodge/3-4 Ford/1-7 Genesis/4-5 GMC/5-7 Honda/3-9 Hyundai/3-5 Infiniti/7 Jeep/2-5 Kia/4-7 Lexus/5-8 Lincoln/4-6 Mazda/3-5 Mercedes/7 Mitsubishi/2-3 Nissan/2-7 Ram/4-9 Subaru/5-7 Toyota/4-9 VW/4 Volvo/6 And that’s if you pay the full sticker price! Who does that The guy who thinks Taco Bell is a Mexican phone company Or the gal who thinks the National Guard is an All-American football player Common Sense: If you and I wanted to start a retail business selling a product with a 100 MSRP that no one would pay but cost us 91 to 99 we’d never open the door to customers! But for decades we both have swallowed hook line and sinker the preposterous notion that the automakers have been telling us what their dealers pay for their cars If that were true and we owned a dealership we’d have gone ballistic decades ago But that’s never happened Ready for a good laugh Here’s the 2019 pricing on the Limited model of the Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid minivan: Invoice: 45291 Retail: 45395! Add the fact that a typical dealership’s overhead expense is 11 to 15 of its revenue and you’ll understand why today’s invoice prices are a total joke And clearly the industry is having a good laugh at our gullibility It’s almost impossible to carry the torch of truth through a crowd without singeing somebody’s beard – George Christoph Lichtenberg Apparently mortified by its two-decade failure to recognize the industry’s phony pricing scheme Consumer Reports dumped one of its major cash cows its New Car Price Service That’s the one they claimed would tell you the dealer’s true cost and how much wiggle room you had And it took just one obvious fact unearthed by this old marketing man to kill it My multiple articles on the website of Clark Howard the country’s best-known and most respected general consumer advocate may have accelerated its demise Can there be any stronger evidence that the way to get the best price on a new car has changed forever The inside story of the discovery of that game-changing fact is told in the book mentioned above available in paperback and Kindle formats at Amazon To read the back cover copy Preface Table of Contents and the first four chapters click here NEW-CAR SALES HAVE HIT A WALL THAT GIVES YOU MOST OF THE NEGOTIATING LEVERAGE IN APRIL All the pent-up demand from the recession has been satisfied 2015 was the last growth year with sales up 57 A 3 gain was forecast for 2016 but the result was a tiny 03 2017 sales slipped 18 to 172 million about 300000 units behind 2016 They inched up just 06 last year then slipped 32 in the first 3 months of this year Car sales fell 108 Trucks inched up 04 This looks like the start of a tough sales year The retail automotive industry expected tough sledding this year with increased sales volatility and likely interest rate hikes Large dealership groups have cut costs laying off people in response AutoNation the 1 group with over 250 retail locations has executed a corporate restructuring with slower industry sales as a key reason Sonic Automotive 5 with over 100 stores has cut 6 of its 9750 employees in a 20 million savings effort As a result the market is more competitive than ever with automakers spending more to move the metal In a word you’ve got more deal-making leverage now than you’ve had in years If you’re planning to get a new car this month this last full week is prime time to get the best price So NOW is the time to place an order WHAT’S IN THE FIGHTING CHANCE PACKAGE 1 You’ll have the only independent unbiased source of truthful information and powerful negotiating advice on the Internet I’ve been focused single-mindedly on this subject since before the Dead Sea got sick and much of that knowledge has come from customers’ feedback 2 You’ll have a coach as you go through the process Got a question Call us Want to run the best lease numbers you’ve received before you sign the papers Call us 3 In the package’s centerpiece How To Conduct The Phone Email competitive bidding you’ll learn exactly what to do and say each step of the way as you conduct the process from your home or office We also tell you the best day of that month to start it This package changes over time Simply faxing or emailing dealers doesn’t work well today 4 You’ll receive our signature Big Picture analysis of how the brands and the specific vehicles you’re considering have been doing in the market Are your model’s sales up or down What’s the current holdback information for brands that use it Several don’t And to the extent we’ve had feedback in this little information boutique how much over or under the total invoice have customers reported paying for it excluding sales tax and vehicle registration fees 5 You’ll get the current sticker/MSRP and dealer invoice pricing data for the vehicles you’re considering covering all the trim levels and factory equipment packages 6 You’ll also get these insightful articles most of them information no other auto-info site tells you Can You Get The Vehicle Configuration You Want Things To Consider About Placing A Factory Order Today Incentives Often Differ From Market To Market Here’s How To Check The Offers Where You Are The Crucial Financial Importance Of A Dealership’s Customer Satisfaction Rating How We Abandoned Our Inborn Common Sense About New-Car Pricing How The Industry Has Turned The Invoice Price Into A Bloated Imposter By Continually Raising It By More Than The MSRP For Over Two Decades How New-Car Dealers Make The Big Bucks And How They Don’t Two Big ‘Fake News’ Sales Come-ons To Ignore The Myth Of Vehicle-Specific Dealer Cash Incentives Important Note On The Pricing Of Dealer-Installed Accessories Have You Chosen A Crashworthy Vehicle Thoughts On Buying A Demo Or Last Year’s Leftover Model Should You Buy An Extended Warranty Dealing With A Trade-In if you tell us you have one Leasing 101: The Straight Skinny if you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Here’s The Information We Need To Analyze Your ‘Best-Offer’ Lease Numbers With You If you’re leasing or undecided THE COST OF THIS UNIQUE PACKAGE: 4995 That includes all the information you need for any one vehicle Additional vehicles: 1500 each More than half of our customers add one or more as fall-back alternatives This could become a small but wise 1500 decision if you find it difficult to deal on your first choice The average new car sells for over 35000 today Important Note: This is a service for NEW VEHICLES ONLY We have no information on used vehicles Also we have NO CANADIAN PRICING DATA HOW TO PLACE AN ORDER AND HOW AND WHEN YOU’LL RECEIVE IT To place an order on our secure encrypted order form click on the Ordering link in the upper left column To see the vehicles for which we have pricing info click on Auto Pricing link in that column If you’d prefer to place a phone order or if you have questions that aren’t answered here you may call our order desk at 1-800-288-1134 between 9:15AM and 4:00PM Pacific time Monday through Friday WE SEND ALL ORDERS VIA EMAIL Most orders received by 3:00PM Pacific time on weekdays will be emailed the same day If we get overwhelmed at times it could take an extra day or two We’re closed on weekends We’ll be here on our customer service number 562-433-8489 to answer your questions and analyze your best lease offer weekdays between 9:15 AM and 4:00 PM Pacific time I look forward to helping you get a great deal on a new car And I hope you’ll visit me when I have to join the Witness Protection program James Bragg Copyright © 2017 Fighting Chance Home 1
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I was the only candidate James Bragg 146000 new-car shoppers have used our competitive bidding process to get the lowest price possible without walking into a single car store to haggle With our empowering guide to buying or leasing a new car you’ll be in total control conducting the process from your home or office among several dealers that you choose We teach you exactly what to say and do and when to do it And we’ll be here to answer your questions by phone including going through your best-offer lease numbers WARNING! Our facts and recommendations contradict almost everything you’re being told by those big new-car buying and info sites which get all their revenue from the automakers and the dealers they send you to But it’s 2019 not 1994 and it’s time you stopped looking at the way to buy a new car through their broken rear-view mirrors Your responsibility as a person is to constantly update your positions on as many things as possible If you don’t contradict yourself regularly you’re not thinking – Malcolm Gladwell THE TRUTH MATTERS THESE ARE THE ESSENTIAL FACTS THEY DON’T WANT YOU TO KNOW 1 You are shopping for a commodity It’s the same car with the same price structure at every dealer selling that brand Think copper crude oil pork bellies soybeans I learned that in 1997 when a customer shopping for a Ford Contour compact sedan called and said I just contacted 12 Ford dealers for price proposals and it was like rolling a bottle of wine into a jail cell full of drunks! 2 Every dealer’s fiercest competitors aren’t other brands They’re the other stores selling the same brand Every new-car shopper ends up choosing one brand’s vehicle And every brand has from hundreds to over 3000 dealers 3 The art of any deal is one little word: leverage Yet most new-car shoppers still play the fool’s game by walking into car stores one at a time to haggle the price a game they always lose because their leverage is a big fat zero 4 The leverage shifts dramatically from the dealer to you when you get several of them competing for your business – ideally at least 9 or 10 no matter how far from you they are Few dealerships decline to participate because the retail car business has hit a wall entering a multi-year no/slow growth period 5 Holdback is fading into the sunset That’s money dealers get from automakers after a sale is made These luxury brands have already dumped it: Audi BMW Cadillac Infiniti Jaguar Land Rover Lexus Lincoln and Mercedes-Benz I expect other brands to follow suit over the next several years 6 Factory-to-dealer cash programs today are rarely vehicle-specific Instead they’re based on secret multi-month total sales targets that are set dealer-by-dealer And an important part of that cash bonus is usually also based on more subjective elements like the effectiveness of a dealership’s factory-certified used car employee training and online marketing programs as well as on customers’ dealer satisfaction ratings from their sales and service experiences 7 The new-car business has a significant seasonality pattern with monthly sales ranging from under 7 to over 11 of a year’s total So dealers must keep their cumulative sales in synch with cumulative seasonality to reach their multi-month targets 8 Given that reality there are almost always some dealerships trailing their targets and more strongly motivated to make aggressive price proposals than others And this month’s low bidder may be next month’s high bidder depending on its sales status then 9 There is never a good price or right price to pay for any new car The only right price is the best out-the-door price you can get by having at least 9 or 10 dealers compete for your business That’s the agreed-upon price of the car plus sales tax state registration fees and any other dealer charges Example: A customer got 9 dealers to compete for the redesigned Honda CR-V and paid 1090 below invoice The 8 other bids: 900 below 510 below 410 below 180 below and 300 over invoice 460 over 530 over and 930 over – a 2020 spread! What should I have told him would be a good price Any number I picked would have been dead wrong The winning sales manager said This is the only smart way to buy a car But if everyone did it this way we’d be out of business 10 Those big Internet car-info and buying sites aren’t in business to get you the best price The bulk of their revenue comes from car-company advertising and the 300 referral fees they get when you buy or lease a car from dealers they send you to in their networks Even Consumer Reports which once promised it wouldn’t recommend any product or service for financial gain earns substantial revenue from TrueCar when you drive home a car from the TrueCar dealers CR sends you to in its Build amp Buy service Those sites are in business to help dealers sell cars profitably to pocket those referral commissions which come from your pocket If you contact them for price proposals the dealers in their networks will be on you like red ants on a spilt snow cone Your first discussion with them should be when you call their Internet Sales Managers to get their participation in the Fighting Chance competitive bidding process It ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble It’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so – Mark Twain THE INDUSTRY WANTS US TO BELIEVE THE INVOICE IS A REAL COST NUMBER BUT IT JUST AIN’T SO AND IT AIN’T BEEN SO FOR A LONG LONG TIME 11 The invoice hasn’t been a vehicle cost for well over two decades and probably forever In the mid-1990s the auto industry launched a phony redesign of the automaker-dealer financial relationship by systematically raising the invoice price by more than it raised the retail/sticker price year after year cutting the difference between the two dramatically and turning the invoice into a bloated imposter To see that multi-year ongoing con job click here I unearthed this scam in 2012 by analyzing almost 2 decades of new-car pricing files then wrote a book titled Letting The Cat Out of the Bag – How the Auto Industry Redesigned The Dealer Invoice Price When The Internet Arrived I sent a copy to a friend at USA TODAY and was invited to an 11/27/12 Automotive Roundtable discussion based on that book as to whether online car shopping and information services are believable and are relevant in today’s market The heavyweights there were all senior executives from Carscom Edmunds Kelley Blue Book TrueCar and Consumer Reports That bombshell pricing exhibit was the discussion’s centerpiece You could have heard a pin drop as they read it No one was aware of that fact though it had been right under their noses for 17 years! I asked the Consumer Reports representative Who’s been running your New Car Pricing Service for the past 17 years Rip Van Winkle He was not amused To read most of the USA TODAY Don’t Trust The Invoice Price write-up which dubbed me a peppery contrarian and see my take on that meeting click here That subterfuge has made new-car pricing laughable Check the tiny percentage differences between the base invoice and retail /sticker prices for the most expensive models of each brand Acura/5-7 Audi/7 BMW/6 Buick/4-5 Cadillac/5 Chevy/5-7 Chrysler/1-4 Dodge/3-4 Ford/1-7 Genesis/4-5 GMC/5-7 Honda/3-9 Hyundai/3-5 Infiniti/7 Jeep/2-5 Kia/4-7 Lexus/5-8 Lincoln/4-6 Mazda/3-5 Mercedes/7 Mitsubishi/2-3 Nissan/2-7 Ram/4-9 Subaru/5-7 Toyota/4-9 VW/4 Volvo/6 And that’s if you pay the full sticker price! Who does that The guy who thinks Taco Bell is a Mexican phone company Or the gal who thinks the National Guard is an All-American football player Common Sense: If you and I wanted to start a retail business selling a product with a 100 MSRP that no one would pay but cost us 91 to 99 we’d never open the door to customers! But for decades we both have swallowed hook line and sinker the preposterous notion that the automakers have been telling us what their dealers pay for their cars If that were true and we owned a dealership we’d have gone ballistic decades ago But that’s never happened Ready for a good laugh Here’s the 2019 pricing on the Limited model of the Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid minivan: Invoice: 45291 Retail: 45395! Add the fact that a typical dealership’s overhead expense is 11 to 15 of its revenue and you’ll understand why today’s invoice prices are a total joke And clearly the industry is having a good laugh at our gullibility It’s almost impossible to carry the torch of truth through a crowd without singeing somebody’s beard – George Christoph Lichtenberg Apparently mortified by its two-decade failure to recognize the industry’s phony pricing scheme Consumer Reports dumped one of its major cash cows its New Car Price Service That’s the one they claimed would tell you the dealer’s true cost and how much wiggle room you had And it took just one obvious fact unearthed by this old marketing man to kill it My multiple articles on the website of Clark Howard the country’s best-known and most respected general consumer advocate may have accelerated its demise Can there be any stronger evidence that the way to get the best price on a new car has changed forever The inside story of the discovery of that game-changing fact is told in the book mentioned above available in paperback and Kindle formats at Amazon To read the back cover copy Preface Table of Contents and the first four chapters click here NEW-CAR SALES HAVE HIT A WALL THAT GIVES YOU MOST OF THE NEGOTIATING LEVERAGE IN APRIL All the pent-up demand from the recession has been satisfied 2015 was the last growth year with sales up 57 A 3 gain was forecast for 2016 but the result was a tiny 03 2017 sales slipped 18 to 172 million about 300000 units behind 2016 They inched up just 06 last year then slipped 32 in the first 3 months of this year Car sales fell 108 Trucks inched up 04 This looks like the start of a tough sales year The retail automotive industry expected tough sledding this year with increased sales volatility and likely interest rate hikes Large dealership groups have cut costs laying off people in response AutoNation the 1 group with over 250 retail locations has executed a corporate restructuring with slower industry sales as a key reason Sonic Automotive 5 with over 100 stores has cut 6 of its 9750 employees in a 20 million savings effort As a result the market is more competitive than ever with automakers spending more to move the metal In a word you’ve got more deal-making leverage now than you’ve had in years If you’re planning to get a new car this month this last full week is prime time to get the best price So NOW is the time to place an order WHAT’S IN THE FIGHTING CHANCE PACKAGE 1 You’ll have the only independent unbiased source of truthful information and powerful negotiating advice on the Internet I’ve been focused single-mindedly on this subject since before the Dead Sea got sick and much of that knowledge has come from customers’ feedback 2 You’ll have a coach as you go through the process Got a question Call us Want to run the best lease numbers you’ve received before you sign the papers Call us 3 In the package’s centerpiece How To Conduct The Phone Email competitive bidding you’ll learn exactly what to do and say each step of the way as you conduct the process from your home or office We also tell you the best day of that month to start it This package changes over time Simply faxing or emailing dealers doesn’t work well today 4 You’ll receive our signature Big Picture analysis of how the brands and the specific vehicles you’re considering have been doing in the market Are your model’s sales up or down What’s the current holdback information for brands that use it Several don’t And to the extent we’ve had feedback in this little information boutique how much over or under the total invoice have customers reported paying for it excluding sales tax and vehicle registration fees 5 You’ll get the current sticker/MSRP and dealer invoice pricing data for the vehicles you’re considering covering all the trim levels and factory equipment packages 6 You’ll also get these insightful articles most of them information no other auto-info site tells you Can You Get The Vehicle Configuration You Want Things To Consider About Placing A Factory Order Today Incentives Often Differ From Market To Market Here’s How To Check The Offers Where You Are The Crucial Financial Importance Of A Dealership’s Customer Satisfaction Rating How We Abandoned Our Inborn Common Sense About New-Car Pricing How The Industry Has Turned The Invoice Price Into A Bloated Imposter By Continually Raising It By More Than The MSRP For Over Two Decades How New-Car Dealers Make The Big Bucks And How They Don’t Two Big ‘Fake News’ Sales Come-ons To Ignore The Myth Of Vehicle-Specific Dealer Cash Incentives Important Note On The Pricing Of Dealer-Installed Accessories Have You Chosen A Crashworthy Vehicle Thoughts On Buying A Demo Or Last Year’s Leftover Model Should You Buy An Extended Warranty Dealing With A Trade-In if you tell us you have one Leasing 101: The Straight Skinny if you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Here’s The Information We Need To Analyze Your ‘Best-Offer’ Lease Numbers With You If you’re leasing or undecided THE COST OF THIS UNIQUE PACKAGE: 4995 That includes all the information you need for any one vehicle Additional vehicles: 1500 each More than half of our customers add one or more as fall-back alternatives This could become a small but wise 1500 decision if you find it difficult to deal on your first choice The average new car sells for over 35000 today Important Note: This is a service for NEW VEHICLES ONLY We have no information on used vehicles Also we have NO CANADIAN PRICING DATA HOW TO PLACE AN ORDER AND HOW AND WHEN YOU’LL RECEIVE IT To place an order on our secure encrypted order form click on the Ordering link in the upper left column To see the vehicles for which we have pricing info click on Auto Pricing link in that column If you’d prefer to place a phone order or if you have questions that aren’t answered here you may call our order desk at 1-800-288-1134 between 9:15AM and 4:00PM Pacific time Monday through Friday WE SEND 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Those sites are in business to help dealers sell cars profitably to pocket those referral commissions which come from your pocket If you contact them for price proposals the dealers in their networks will be on you like red ants on a spilt snow cone Your first discussion with them should be when you call their Internet Sales Managers to get their participation in the Fighting Chance competitive bidding process It ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble It’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so – Mark Twain THE INDUSTRY WANTS US TO BELIEVE THE INVOICE IS A REAL COST NUMBER BUT IT JUST AIN’T SO AND IT AIN’T BEEN SO FOR A LONG LONG TIME 11 The invoice hasn’t been a vehicle cost for well over two decades and probably forever In the mid-1990s the auto industry launched a phony redesign of the automaker-dealer financial relationship by systematically raising the invoice price by more than it raised the retail/sticker price year after year cutting the difference between the two dramatically and turning the invoice into a bloated imposter To see that multi-year ongoing con job click here I unearthed this scam in 2012 by analyzing almost 2 decades of new-car pricing files then wrote a book titled Letting The Cat Out of the Bag – How the Auto Industry Redesigned The Dealer Invoice Price When The Internet Arrived I sent a copy to a friend at USA TODAY and was invited to an 11/27/12 Automotive Roundtable discussion based on that book as to whether online car shopping and information services are believable and are relevant in today’s market The heavyweights there were all senior executives from Carscom Edmunds Kelley Blue Book TrueCar and Consumer Reports That bombshell pricing exhibit was the discussion’s centerpiece You could have heard a pin drop as they read it No one was aware of that fact though it had been right under their noses for 17 years! I asked the Consumer Reports representative Who’s been running your New Car Pricing Service for the past 17 years Rip Van Winkle He was not amused To read most of the USA TODAY Don’t Trust The Invoice Price write-up which dubbed me a peppery contrarian and see my take on that meeting click here That subterfuge has made new-car pricing laughable Check the tiny percentage differences between the base invoice and retail /sticker prices for the most expensive models of each brand Acura/5-7 Audi/7 BMW/6 Buick/4-5 Cadillac/5 Chevy/5-7 Chrysler/1-4 Dodge/3-4 Ford/1-7 Genesis/4-5 GMC/5-7 Honda/3-9 Hyundai/3-5 Infiniti/7 Jeep/2-5 Kia/4-7 Lexus/5-8 Lincoln/4-6 Mazda/3-5 Mercedes/7 Mitsubishi/2-3 Nissan/2-7 Ram/4-9 Subaru/5-7 Toyota/4-9 VW/4 Volvo/6 And that’s if you pay the full sticker price! Who does that The guy who thinks Taco Bell is a Mexican phone company Or the gal who thinks the National Guard is an All-American football player Common Sense: If you and I wanted to start a retail business selling a product with a 100 MSRP that no one would pay but cost us 91 to 99 we’d never open the door to customers! But for decades we both have swallowed hook line and sinker the preposterous notion that the automakers have been telling us what their dealers pay for their cars If that were true and we owned a dealership we’d have gone ballistic decades ago But that’s never happened Ready for a good laugh Here’s the 2019 pricing on the Limited model of the Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid minivan: Invoice: 45291 Retail: 45395! Add the fact that a typical dealership’s overhead expense is 11 to 15 of its revenue and you’ll understand why today’s invoice prices are a total joke And clearly the industry is having a good laugh at our gullibility It’s almost impossible to carry the torch of truth through a crowd without singeing somebody’s beard – George Christoph Lichtenberg Apparently mortified by its two-decade failure to recognize the industry’s phony pricing scheme Consumer Reports dumped one of its major cash cows its New Car Price Service That’s the one they claimed would tell you the dealer’s true cost and how much wiggle room you had And it took just one obvious fact unearthed by this old marketing man to kill it My multiple articles on the website of Clark Howard the country’s best-known and most respected general consumer advocate may have accelerated its demise Can there be any stronger evidence that the way to get the best price on a new car has changed forever The inside story of the discovery of 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industry sales as a key reason Sonic Automotive 5 with over 100 stores has cut 6 of its 9750 employees in a 20 million savings effort As a result the market is more competitive than ever with automakers spending more to move the metal In a word you’ve got more deal-making leverage now than you’ve had in years If you’re planning to get a new car this month this last full week is prime time to get the best price So NOW is the time to place an order WHAT’S IN THE FIGHTING CHANCE PACKAGE 1 You’ll have the only independent unbiased source of truthful information and powerful negotiating advice on the Internet I’ve been focused single-mindedly on this subject since before the Dead Sea got sick and much of that knowledge has come from customers’ feedback 2 You’ll have a coach as you go through the process Got a question Call us Want to run the best lease numbers you’ve received before you sign the papers Call us 3 In the package’s centerpiece How To Conduct The Phone Email competitive bidding you’ll learn exactly what to do and say each step of the way as you conduct the process from your home or office We also tell you the best day of that month to start it This package changes over time Simply faxing or emailing dealers doesn’t work well today 4 You’ll receive our signature Big Picture analysis of how the brands and the specific vehicles you’re considering have been doing in the market Are your model’s sales up or down What’s the current holdback information for brands that use it Several don’t And to the extent we’ve had feedback in this little information boutique how much over or under the total invoice have customers reported paying for it excluding sales tax and vehicle registration fees 5 You’ll get the current sticker/MSRP and dealer invoice pricing data for the vehicles you’re considering covering all the trim levels and factory equipment packages 6 You’ll also get these insightful articles most of them information no other auto-info site tells you Can You Get The Vehicle Configuration You Want Things To Consider About Placing A Factory Order Today Incentives Often Differ From Market To Market Here’s How To Check The Offers Where You Are The Crucial Financial Importance Of A Dealership’s Customer Satisfaction Rating How We Abandoned Our Inborn Common Sense About New-Car Pricing How The Industry Has Turned The Invoice Price Into A Bloated Imposter By Continually Raising It By More Than The MSRP For Over Two Decades How New-Car Dealers Make The Big Bucks And How They Don’t Two Big ‘Fake News’ Sales Come-ons To Ignore The Myth Of Vehicle-Specific Dealer Cash Incentives Important Note On The Pricing Of Dealer-Installed Accessories Have You Chosen A Crashworthy Vehicle Thoughts On Buying A Demo Or Last Year’s Leftover Model Should You Buy An Extended Warranty Dealing With A Trade-In if you tell us you have one Leasing 101: The Straight Skinny if you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Here’s The Information We Need To Analyze Your ‘Best-Offer’ Lease Numbers With You If you’re leasing or undecided THE COST OF THIS UNIQUE PACKAGE: 4995 That includes all the information you need for any one vehicle Additional vehicles: 1500 each More than half of our customers add one or more as fall-back alternatives This could become a small but wise 1500 decision if you find it difficult to deal on your first choice The average new car sells for over 35000 today Important Note: This is a service for NEW VEHICLES ONLY We have no information on used vehicles Also we have NO CANADIAN PRICING DATA HOW TO PLACE AN ORDER AND HOW AND WHEN YOU’LL RECEIVE IT To place an order on our secure encrypted order form click on the Ordering link in the upper left column To see the vehicles for which we have pricing info click on Auto Pricing link in that column If you’d prefer to place a phone order or if you have questions that aren’t answered here you may call our order desk at 1-800-288-1134 between 9:15AM and 4:00PM Pacific time Monday through Friday WE SEND 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THE INDUSTRY WANTS US TO BELIEVE THE INVOICE IS A REAL COST NUMBER BUT IT JUST AIN’T SO AND IT AIN’T BEEN SO FOR A LONG LONG TIME 11 The invoice hasn’t been a vehicle cost for well over two decades and probably forever In the mid-1990s the auto industry launched a phony redesign of the automaker-dealer financial relationship by systematically raising the invoice price by more than it raised the retail/sticker price year after year cutting the difference between the two dramatically and turning the invoice into a bloated imposter To see that multi-year ongoing con job click here I unearthed this scam in 2012 by analyzing almost 2 decades of new-car pricing files then wrote a book titled Letting The Cat Out of the Bag – How the Auto Industry Redesigned The Dealer Invoice Price When The Internet Arrived I sent a copy to a friend at USA TODAY and was invited to an 11/27/12 Automotive Roundtable discussion based on that book as to whether online car shopping and information services are believable and are relevant in today’s market The heavyweights there were all senior executives from Carscom Edmunds Kelley Blue Book TrueCar and Consumer Reports That bombshell pricing exhibit was the discussion’s centerpiece You could have heard a pin drop as they read it No one was aware of that fact though it had been right under their noses for 17 years! I asked the Consumer Reports representative Who’s been running your New Car Pricing Service for the past 17 years Rip Van Winkle He was not amused To read most of the USA TODAY Don’t Trust The Invoice Price write-up which dubbed me a peppery contrarian and see my take on that meeting click here That subterfuge has made new-car pricing laughable Check the tiny percentage differences between the base invoice and retail /sticker prices for the most expensive models of each brand Acura/5-7 Audi/7 BMW/6 Buick/4-5 Cadillac/5 Chevy/5-7 Chrysler/1-4 Dodge/3-4 Ford/1-7 Genesis/4-5 GMC/5-7 Honda/3-9 Hyundai/3-5 Infiniti/7 Jeep/2-5 Kia/4-7 Lexus/5-8 Lincoln/4-6 Mazda/3-5 Mercedes/7 Mitsubishi/2-3 Nissan/2-7 Ram/4-9 Subaru/5-7 Toyota/4-9 VW/4 Volvo/6 And that’s if you pay the full sticker price! Who does that The guy who thinks Taco Bell is a Mexican phone company Or the gal who thinks the National Guard is an All-American football player Common Sense: If you and I wanted to start a retail business selling a product with a 100 MSRP that no one would pay but cost us 91 to 99 we’d never open the door to customers! But for decades we both have swallowed hook line and sinker the preposterous notion that the automakers have been telling us what their dealers pay for their cars If that were true and we owned a dealership we’d have gone ballistic decades ago But that’s never happened Ready for a good laugh Here’s the 2019 pricing on the Limited model of the Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid minivan: Invoice: 45291 Retail: 45395! Add the fact that a typical dealership’s overhead expense is 11 to 15 of its revenue and you’ll understand why today’s invoice prices are a total joke And clearly the industry is having a good laugh at our gullibility It’s almost impossible to carry the torch of truth through a crowd without singeing somebody’s beard – George Christoph Lichtenberg Apparently mortified by its two-decade failure to recognize the industry’s phony pricing scheme Consumer Reports dumped one of its major cash cows its New Car Price Service That’s the one they claimed would tell you the dealer’s true cost and how much wiggle room you had And it took just one obvious fact unearthed by this old marketing man to kill it My multiple articles on the website of Clark Howard the country’s best-known and most respected general consumer advocate may have accelerated its demise Can there be any stronger evidence that the way to get the best price on a new car has changed forever The inside story of the discovery of 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industry sales as a key reason Sonic Automotive 5 with over 100 stores has cut 6 of its 9750 employees in a 20 million savings effort As a result the market is more competitive than ever with automakers spending more to move the metal In a word you’ve got more deal-making leverage now than you’ve had in years If you’re planning to get a new car this month this last full week is prime time to get the best price So NOW is the time to place an order WHAT’S IN THE FIGHTING CHANCE PACKAGE 1 You’ll have the only independent unbiased source of truthful information and powerful negotiating advice on the Internet I’ve been focused single-mindedly on this subject since before the Dead Sea got sick and much of that knowledge has come from customers’ feedback 2 You’ll have a coach as you go through the process Got a question Call us Want to run the best lease numbers you’ve received before you sign the papers Call us 3 In the package’s centerpiece How To Conduct The Phone Email competitive bidding you’ll learn exactly what to do and say each step of the way as you conduct the process from your home or office We also tell you the best day of that month to start it This package changes over time Simply faxing or emailing dealers doesn’t work well today 4 You’ll receive our signature Big Picture analysis of how the brands and the specific vehicles you’re considering have been doing in the market Are your model’s sales up or down What’s the current holdback information for brands that use it Several don’t And to the extent we’ve had feedback in this little information boutique how much over or under the total invoice have customers reported paying for it excluding sales tax and vehicle registration fees 5 You’ll get the current sticker/MSRP and dealer invoice pricing data for the vehicles you’re considering covering all the trim levels and factory equipment packages 6 You’ll also get these insightful articles most of them information no other auto-info site tells you Can You Get The Vehicle Configuration You Want Things To Consider About Placing A Factory Order Today Incentives Often Differ From Market To Market Here’s How To Check The Offers Where You Are The Crucial Financial Importance Of A Dealership’s Customer Satisfaction Rating How We Abandoned Our Inborn Common Sense About New-Car Pricing How The Industry Has Turned The Invoice Price Into A Bloated Imposter By Continually Raising It By More Than The MSRP For Over Two Decades How New-Car Dealers Make The Big Bucks And How They Don’t Two Big ‘Fake News’ Sales Come-ons To Ignore The Myth Of Vehicle-Specific Dealer Cash Incentives Important Note On The Pricing Of Dealer-Installed Accessories Have You Chosen A Crashworthy Vehicle Thoughts On Buying A Demo Or Last Year’s Leftover Model Should You Buy An Extended Warranty Dealing With A Trade-In if you tell us you have one Leasing 101: The Straight Skinny if you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Here’s The Information We Need To Analyze Your ‘Best-Offer’ Lease Numbers With You If you’re leasing or undecided THE COST OF THIS UNIQUE PACKAGE: 4995 That includes all the information you need for any one vehicle Additional vehicles: 1500 each More than half of our customers add one or more as fall-back alternatives This could become a small but wise 1500 decision if you find it difficult to deal on your first choice The average new car sells for over 35000 today Important Note: This is a service for NEW VEHICLES ONLY We have no information on used vehicles Also we have NO CANADIAN PRICING DATA HOW TO PLACE AN ORDER AND HOW AND WHEN YOU’LL RECEIVE IT To place an order on our secure encrypted order form click on the Ordering link in the upper left column To see the vehicles for which we have pricing info click on Auto Pricing link in that column If you’d prefer to place a phone order or if you have questions that aren’t answered here you may call our order desk at 1-800-288-1134 between 9:15AM and 4:00PM Pacific time Monday through Friday WE SEND 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With our empowering guide to buying or leasing a new car you’ll be in total control conducting the process from your home or office among several dealers that you choose We teach you exactly what to say and do and when to do it And we’ll be here to answer your questions by phone including going through your best-offer lease numbers WARNING! Our facts and recommendations contradict almost everything you’re being told by those big new-car buying and info sites which get all their revenue from the automakers and the dealers they send you to But it’s 2019 not 1994 and it’s time you stopped looking at the way to buy a new car through their broken rear-view mirrors Your responsibility as a person is to constantly update your positions on as many things as possible If you don’t contradict yourself regularly you’re not thinking – Malcolm Gladwell THE TRUTH MATTERS THESE ARE THE ESSENTIAL FACTS THEY DON’T WANT YOU TO KNOW 1 You are shopping for a commodity It’s the same car with the same price structure at every dealer selling that brand Think copper crude oil pork bellies soybeans I learned that in 1997 when a customer shopping for a Ford Contour compact sedan called and said I just contacted 12 Ford dealers for price proposals and it was like rolling a bottle of wine into a jail cell full of drunks! 2 Every dealer’s fiercest competitors aren’t other brands They’re the other stores selling the same brand Every new-car shopper ends up choosing one brand’s vehicle And every brand has from hundreds to over 3000 dealers 3 The art of any deal is one little word: leverage Yet most new-car shoppers still play the fool’s game by walking into car stores one at a time to haggle the price a game they always lose because their leverage is a big fat zero 4 The leverage shifts dramatically from the dealer to you when you get several of them competing for your business – ideally at least 9 or 10 no matter how far from you they are Few dealerships decline to participate because the retail car business has hit a wall entering a multi-year no/slow growth period 5 Holdback is fading into the sunset That’s money dealers get from automakers after a sale is made These luxury brands have already dumped it: Audi BMW Cadillac Infiniti Jaguar Land Rover Lexus Lincoln and Mercedes-Benz I expect other brands to follow suit over the next several years 6 Factory-to-dealer cash programs today are rarely vehicle-specific Instead they’re based on secret multi-month total sales targets that are set dealer-by-dealer And an important part of that cash bonus is usually also based on more subjective elements like the effectiveness of a dealership’s factory-certified used car employee training and online marketing programs as well as on customers’ dealer satisfaction ratings from their sales and service experiences 7 The new-car business has a significant seasonality pattern with monthly sales ranging from under 7 to over 11 of a year’s total So dealers must keep their cumulative sales in synch with cumulative seasonality to reach their multi-month targets 8 Given that reality there are almost always some dealerships trailing their targets and more strongly motivated to make aggressive price proposals than others And this month’s low bidder may be next month’s high bidder depending on its sales status then 9 There is never a good price or right price to pay for any new car The only right price is the best out-the-door price you can get by having at least 9 or 10 dealers compete for your business That’s the agreed-upon price of the car plus sales tax state registration fees and any other dealer charges Example: A customer got 9 dealers to compete for the redesigned Honda CR-V and paid 1090 below invoice The 8 other bids: 900 below 510 below 410 below 180 below and 300 over invoice 460 over 530 over and 930 over – a 2020 spread! What should I have told him would be a good price Any number I picked would have been dead wrong The winning sales manager said This is the only smart way to buy a car But if everyone did it this way we’d be out of business 10 Those big Internet car-info and buying sites aren’t in business to get you the best price The bulk of their revenue comes from car-company advertising and the 300 referral fees they get when you buy or lease a car from dealers they send you to in their networks Even Consumer Reports which once promised it wouldn’t recommend any product or service for financial gain earns substantial revenue from TrueCar when you drive home a car from the TrueCar dealers CR sends you to in its Build amp Buy service Those sites are in business to help dealers sell cars profitably to pocket those referral commissions which come from your pocket If you contact them for price proposals the dealers in their networks will be on you like red ants on a spilt snow cone Your first discussion with them should be when you call their Internet Sales Managers to get their participation in the Fighting Chance competitive bidding process It ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble It’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so – Mark Twain THE INDUSTRY WANTS US TO BELIEVE THE INVOICE IS A REAL COST NUMBER BUT IT JUST AIN’T SO AND IT AIN’T BEEN SO FOR A LONG LONG TIME 11 The invoice hasn’t been a vehicle cost for well over two decades and probably forever In the mid-1990s the auto industry launched a phony redesign of the automaker-dealer financial relationship by systematically raising the invoice price by more than it raised the retail/sticker price year after year cutting the difference between the two dramatically and turning the invoice into a bloated imposter To see that multi-year ongoing con job click here I unearthed this scam in 2012 by analyzing almost 2 decades of new-car pricing files then wrote a book titled Letting The Cat Out of the Bag – How the Auto Industry Redesigned The Dealer Invoice Price When The Internet Arrived I sent a copy to a friend at USA TODAY and was invited to an 11/27/12 Automotive Roundtable discussion based on that book as to whether online car shopping and information services are believable and are relevant in today’s market The heavyweights there were all senior executives from Carscom Edmunds Kelley Blue Book TrueCar and Consumer Reports That bombshell pricing exhibit was the discussion’s centerpiece You could have heard a pin drop as they read it No one was aware of that fact though it had been right under their noses for 17 years! I asked the Consumer Reports representative Who’s been running your New Car Pricing Service for the past 17 years Rip Van Winkle He was not amused To read most of the USA TODAY Don’t Trust The Invoice Price write-up which dubbed me a peppery contrarian and see my take on that meeting click here That subterfuge has made new-car pricing laughable Check the tiny percentage differences between the base invoice and retail /sticker prices for the most expensive models of each brand Acura/5-7 Audi/7 BMW/6 Buick/4-5 Cadillac/5 Chevy/5-7 Chrysler/1-4 Dodge/3-4 Ford/1-7 Genesis/4-5 GMC/5-7 Honda/3-9 Hyundai/3-5 Infiniti/7 Jeep/2-5 Kia/4-7 Lexus/5-8 Lincoln/4-6 Mazda/3-5 Mercedes/7 Mitsubishi/2-3 Nissan/2-7 Ram/4-9 Subaru/5-7 Toyota/4-9 VW/4 Volvo/6 And that’s if you pay the full sticker price! Who does that The guy who thinks Taco Bell is a Mexican phone company Or the gal who thinks the National Guard is an All-American football player Common Sense: If you and I wanted to start a retail business selling a product with a 100 MSRP that no one would pay but cost us 91 to 99 we’d never open the door to customers! But for decades we both have swallowed hook line and sinker the preposterous notion that the automakers have been telling us what their dealers pay for their cars If that were true and we owned a dealership we’d have gone ballistic decades ago But that’s never happened Ready for a good laugh Here’s the 2019 pricing on the Limited model of the Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid minivan: Invoice: 45291 Retail: 45395! Add the fact that a typical dealership’s overhead expense is 11 to 15 of its revenue and you’ll understand why today’s invoice prices are a total joke And clearly the industry is having a good laugh at our gullibility It’s almost impossible to carry the torch of truth through a crowd without singeing somebody’s beard – George Christoph Lichtenberg Apparently mortified by its two-decade failure to recognize the industry’s phony pricing scheme Consumer Reports dumped one of its major cash cows its New Car Price Service That’s the one they claimed would tell you the dealer’s true cost and how much wiggle room you had And it took just one obvious fact unearthed by this old marketing man to kill it My multiple articles on the website of Clark Howard the country’s best-known and most respected general consumer advocate may have accelerated its demise Can there be any stronger evidence that the way to get the best price on a new car has changed forever The inside story of the discovery of that game-changing fact is told in the book mentioned above available in paperback and Kindle formats at Amazon To read the back cover copy Preface Table of Contents and the first four chapters click here NEW-CAR SALES HAVE HIT A WALL THAT GIVES YOU MOST OF THE NEGOTIATING LEVERAGE IN APRIL All the pent-up demand from the recession has been satisfied 2015 was the last growth year with sales up 57 A 3 gain was forecast for 2016 but the result was a tiny 03 2017 sales slipped 18 to 172 million about 300000 units behind 2016 They inched up just 06 last year then slipped 32 in the first 3 months of this year Car sales fell 108 Trucks inched up 04 This looks like the start of a tough sales year The retail automotive industry expected tough sledding this year with increased sales volatility and likely interest rate hikes Large dealership groups have cut costs laying off people in response AutoNation the 1 group with over 250 retail locations has executed a corporate restructuring with slower industry sales as a key reason Sonic Automotive 5 with over 100 stores has cut 6 of its 9750 employees in a 20 million savings effort As a result the market is more competitive than ever with automakers spending more to move the metal In a word you’ve got more deal-making leverage now than you’ve had in years If you’re planning to get a new car this month this last full week is prime time to get the best price So NOW is the time to place an order WHAT’S IN THE FIGHTING CHANCE PACKAGE 1 You’ll have the only independent unbiased source of truthful information and powerful negotiating advice on the Internet I’ve been focused single-mindedly on this subject since before the Dead Sea got sick and much of that knowledge has come from customers’ feedback 2 You’ll have a coach as you go through the process Got a question Call us Want to run the best lease numbers you’ve received before you sign the papers Call us 3 In the package’s centerpiece How To Conduct The Phone Email competitive bidding you’ll learn exactly what to do and say each step of the way as you conduct the process from your home or office We also tell you the best day of that month to start it This package changes over time Simply faxing or emailing dealers doesn’t work well today 4 You’ll receive our signature Big Picture analysis of how the brands and the specific vehicles you’re considering have been doing in the market Are your model’s sales up or down What’s the current holdback information for brands that use it Several don’t And to the extent we’ve had feedback in this little information boutique how much over or under the total invoice have customers reported paying for it excluding sales tax and vehicle registration fees 5 You’ll get the current sticker/MSRP and dealer invoice pricing data for the vehicles you’re considering covering all the trim levels and factory equipment packages 6 You’ll also get these insightful articles most of them information no other auto-info site tells you Can You Get The Vehicle Configuration You Want Things To Consider About Placing A Factory Order Today Incentives Often Differ From Market To Market Here’s How To Check The Offers Where You Are The Crucial Financial Importance Of A Dealership’s Customer Satisfaction Rating How We Abandoned Our Inborn Common Sense About New-Car Pricing How The Industry Has Turned The Invoice Price Into A Bloated Imposter By Continually Raising It By More Than The MSRP For Over Two Decades How New-Car Dealers Make The Big Bucks And How They Don’t Two Big ‘Fake News’ Sales Come-ons To Ignore The Myth Of Vehicle-Specific Dealer Cash Incentives Important Note On The Pricing Of Dealer-Installed Accessories Have You Chosen A Crashworthy Vehicle Thoughts On Buying A Demo Or Last Year’s Leftover Model Should You Buy An Extended Warranty Dealing With A Trade-In if you tell us you have one Leasing 101: The Straight Skinny if you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Here’s The Information We Need To Analyze Your ‘Best-Offer’ Lease Numbers With You If you’re leasing or undecided THE COST OF THIS UNIQUE PACKAGE: 4995 That includes all the information you need for any one vehicle Additional vehicles: 1500 each More than half of our customers add one or more as fall-back alternatives This could become a small but wise 1500 decision if you find it difficult to deal on your first choice The average new car sells for over 35000 today Important Note: This is a service for NEW VEHICLES ONLY We have no information on used vehicles Also we have NO CANADIAN PRICING DATA HOW TO PLACE AN ORDER AND HOW AND WHEN YOU’LL RECEIVE IT To place an order on our secure encrypted order form click on the Ordering link in the upper left column To see the vehicles for which we have pricing info click on Auto Pricing link in that column If you’d prefer to place a phone order or if you have questions that aren’t answered here you may call our order desk at 1-800-288-1134 between 9:15AM and 4:00PM Pacific time Monday through Friday WE SEND 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HOW TO BUY OR LEASE A NEW CAR THE ONLYSMART WAY AND GET THE LOWEST PRICE IN THE MARKETWITHOUT WALKING INTO A SINGLE CAR STORE TO HAGGLE There are essential game-changing facts about the new-car business that the industry and those big auto-info websites have hidden from you for decades – facts that shift the negotiating leverage from the dealers to you Someone needed the hunger for the truth the tenacity to uncover it and the backbone and guts to reveal it to you I was the only candidate James Bragg 146000 new-car shoppers have used our competitive bidding process to get the lowest price possible without walking into a single car store to haggle With our empowering guide to buying or leasing a new car you’ll be in total control conducting the process from your home or office among several dealers that you choose We teach you exactly what to say and do and when to do it And we’ll be here to answer your questions by phone including going through your best-offer lease numbers WARNING! Our facts and recommendations contradict almost everything you’re being told by those big new-car buying and info sites which get all their revenue from the automakers and the dealers they send you to But it’s 2019 not 1994 and it’s time you stopped looking at the way to buy a new car through their broken rear-view mirrors Your responsibility as a person is to constantly update your positions on as many things as possible If you don’t contradict yourself regularly you’re not thinking – Malcolm Gladwell THE TRUTH MATTERS THESE ARE THE ESSENTIAL FACTS THEY DON’T WANT YOU TO KNOW 1 You are shopping for a commodity It’s the same car with the same price structure at every dealer selling that brand Think copper crude oil pork bellies soybeans I learned that in 1997 when a customer shopping for a Ford Contour compact sedan called and said I just contacted 12 Ford dealers for price proposals and it was like rolling a bottle of wine into a jail cell full of drunks! 2 Every dealer’s fiercest competitors aren’t other brands They’re the other stores selling the same brand Every new-car shopper ends up choosing one brand’s vehicle And every brand has from hundreds to over 3000 dealers 3 The art of any deal is one little word: leverage Yet most new-car shoppers still play the fool’s game by walking into car stores one at a time to haggle the price a game they always lose because their leverage is a big fat zero 4 The leverage shifts dramatically from the dealer to you when you get several of them competing for your business – ideally at least 9 or 10 no matter how far from you they are Few dealerships decline to participate because the retail car business has hit a wall entering a multi-year no/slow growth period 5 Holdback is fading into the sunset That’s money dealers get from automakers after a sale is made These luxury brands have already dumped it: Audi BMW Cadillac Infiniti Jaguar Land Rover Lexus Lincoln and Mercedes-Benz I expect other brands to follow suit over the next several years 6 Factory-to-dealer cash programs today are rarely vehicle-specific Instead they’re based on secret multi-month total sales targets that are set dealer-by-dealer And an important part of that cash bonus is usually also based on more subjective elements like the effectiveness of a dealership’s factory-certified used car employee training and online marketing programs as well as on customers’ dealer satisfaction ratings from their sales and service experiences 7 The new-car business has a significant seasonality pattern with monthly sales ranging from under 7 to over 11 of a year’s total So dealers must keep their cumulative sales in synch with cumulative seasonality to reach their multi-month targets 8 Given that reality there are almost always some dealerships trailing their targets and more strongly motivated to make aggressive price proposals than others And this month’s low bidder may be next month’s high bidder depending on its sales status then 9 There is never a good price or right price to pay for any new car The only right price is the best out-the-door price you can get by having at least 9 or 10 dealers compete for your business That’s the agreed-upon price of the car plus sales tax state registration fees and any other dealer charges Example: A customer got 9 dealers to compete for the redesigned Honda CR-V and paid 1090 below invoice The 8 other bids: 900 below 510 below 410 below 180 below and 300 over invoice 460 over 530 over and 930 over – a 2020 spread! What should I have told him would be a good price Any number I picked would have been dead wrong The winning sales manager said This is the only smart way to buy a car But if everyone did it this way we’d be out of business 10 Those big Internet car-info and buying sites aren’t in business to get you the best price The bulk of their revenue comes from car-company advertising and the 300 referral fees they get when you buy or lease a car from dealers they send you to in their networks Even Consumer Reports which once promised it wouldn’t recommend any product or service for financial gain earns substantial revenue from TrueCar when you drive home a car from the TrueCar dealers CR sends you to in its Build amp Buy service Those sites are in business to help dealers sell cars profitably to pocket those referral commissions which come from your pocket If you contact them for price proposals the dealers in their networks will be on you like red ants on a spilt snow cone Your first discussion with them should be when you call their Internet Sales Managers to get their participation in the Fighting Chance competitive bidding process It ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble It’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so – Mark Twain THE INDUSTRY WANTS US TO BELIEVE THE INVOICE IS A REAL COST NUMBER BUT IT JUST AIN’T SO AND IT AIN’T BEEN SO FOR A LONG LONG TIME 11 The invoice hasn’t been a vehicle cost for well over two decades and probably forever In the mid-1990s the auto industry launched a phony redesign of the automaker-dealer financial relationship by systematically raising the invoice price by more than it raised the retail/sticker price year after year cutting the difference between the two dramatically and turning the invoice into a bloated imposter To see that multi-year ongoing con job click here I unearthed this scam in 2012 by analyzing almost 2 decades of new-car pricing files then wrote a book titled Letting The Cat Out of the Bag – How the Auto Industry Redesigned The Dealer Invoice Price When The Internet Arrived I sent a copy to a friend at USA TODAY and was invited to an 11/27/12 Automotive Roundtable discussion based on that book as to whether online car shopping and information services are believable and are relevant in today’s market The heavyweights there were all senior executives from Carscom Edmunds Kelley Blue Book TrueCar and Consumer Reports That bombshell pricing exhibit was the discussion’s centerpiece You could have heard a pin drop as they read it No one was aware of that fact though it had been right under their noses for 17 years! I asked the Consumer Reports representative Who’s been running your New Car Pricing Service for the past 17 years Rip Van Winkle He was not amused To read most of the USA TODAY Don’t Trust The Invoice Price write-up which dubbed me a peppery contrarian and see my take on that meeting click here That subterfuge has made new-car pricing laughable Check the tiny percentage differences between the base invoice and retail /sticker prices for the most expensive models of each brand Acura/5-7 Audi/7 BMW/6 Buick/4-5 Cadillac/5 Chevy/5-7 Chrysler/1-4 Dodge/3-4 Ford/1-7 Genesis/4-5 GMC/5-7 Honda/3-9 Hyundai/3-5 Infiniti/7 Jeep/2-5 Kia/4-7 Lexus/5-8 Lincoln/4-6 Mazda/3-5 Mercedes/7 Mitsubishi/2-3 Nissan/2-7 Ram/4-9 Subaru/5-7 Toyota/4-9 VW/4 Volvo/6 And that’s if you pay the full sticker price! Who does that The guy who thinks Taco Bell is a Mexican phone company Or the gal who thinks the National Guard is an All-American football player Common Sense: If you and I wanted to start a retail business selling a product with a 100 MSRP that no one would pay but cost us 91 to 99 we’d never open the door to customers! But for decades we both have swallowed hook line and sinker the preposterous notion that the automakers have been telling us what their dealers pay for their cars If that were true and we owned a dealership we’d have gone ballistic decades ago But that’s never happened Ready for a good laugh Here’s the 2019 pricing on the Limited model of the Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid minivan: Invoice: 45291 Retail: 45395! Add the fact that a typical dealership’s overhead expense is 11 to 15 of its revenue and you’ll understand why today’s invoice prices are a total joke And clearly the industry is having a good laugh at our gullibility It’s almost impossible to carry the torch of truth through a crowd without singeing somebody’s beard – George Christoph Lichtenberg Apparently mortified by its two-decade failure to recognize the industry’s phony pricing scheme Consumer Reports dumped one of its major cash cows its New Car Price Service That’s the one they claimed would tell you the dealer’s true cost and how much wiggle room you had And it took just one obvious fact unearthed by this old marketing man to kill it My multiple articles on the website of Clark Howard the country’s best-known and most respected general consumer advocate may have accelerated its demise Can there be any stronger evidence that the way to get the best price on a new car has changed forever The inside story of the discovery of that game-changing fact is told in the book mentioned above available in paperback and Kindle formats at Amazon To read the back cover copy Preface Table of Contents and the first four chapters click here NEW-CAR SALES HAVE HIT A WALL THAT GIVES YOU MOST OF THE NEGOTIATING LEVERAGE IN APRIL All the pent-up demand from the recession has been satisfied 2015 was the last growth year with sales up 57 A 3 gain was forecast for 2016 but the result was a tiny 03 2017 sales slipped 18 to 172 million about 300000 units behind 2016 They inched up just 06 last year then slipped 32 in the first 3 months of this year Car sales fell 108 Trucks inched up 04 This looks like the start of a tough sales year The retail automotive industry expected tough sledding this year with increased sales volatility and likely interest rate hikes Large dealership groups have cut costs laying off people in response AutoNation the 1 group with over 250 retail locations has executed a corporate restructuring with slower industry sales as a key reason Sonic Automotive 5 with over 100 stores has cut 6 of its 9750 employees in a 20 million savings effort As a result the market is more competitive than ever with automakers spending more to move the metal In a word you’ve got more deal-making leverage now than you’ve had in years If you’re planning to get a new car this month this last full week is prime time to get the best price So NOW is the time to place an order WHAT’S IN THE FIGHTING CHANCE PACKAGE 1 You’ll have the only independent unbiased source of truthful information and powerful negotiating advice on the Internet I’ve been focused single-mindedly on this subject since before the Dead Sea got sick and much of that knowledge has come from customers’ feedback 2 You’ll have a coach as you go through the process Got a question Call us Want to run the best lease numbers you’ve received before you sign the papers Call us 3 In the package’s centerpiece How To Conduct The Phone Email competitive bidding you’ll learn exactly what to do and say each step of the way as you conduct the process from your home or office We also tell you the best day of that month to start it This package changes over time Simply faxing or emailing dealers doesn’t work well today 4 You’ll receive our signature Big Picture analysis of how the brands and the specific vehicles you’re considering have been doing in the market Are your model’s sales up or down What’s the current holdback information for brands that use it Several don’t And to the extent we’ve had feedback in this little information boutique how much over or under the total invoice have customers reported paying for it excluding sales tax and vehicle registration fees 5 You’ll get the current sticker/MSRP and dealer invoice pricing data for the vehicles you’re considering covering all the trim levels and factory equipment packages 6 You’ll also get these insightful articles most of them information no other auto-info site tells you Can You Get The Vehicle Configuration You Want Things To Consider About Placing A Factory Order Today Incentives Often Differ From Market To Market Here’s How To Check The Offers Where You Are The Crucial Financial Importance Of A Dealership’s Customer Satisfaction Rating How We Abandoned Our Inborn Common Sense About New-Car Pricing How The Industry Has Turned The Invoice Price Into A Bloated Imposter By Continually Raising It By More Than The MSRP For Over Two Decades How New-Car Dealers Make The Big Bucks And How They Don’t Two Big ‘Fake News’ Sales Come-ons To Ignore The Myth Of Vehicle-Specific Dealer Cash Incentives Important Note On The Pricing Of Dealer-Installed Accessories Have You Chosen A Crashworthy Vehicle Thoughts On Buying A Demo Or Last Year’s Leftover Model Should You Buy An Extended Warranty Dealing With A Trade-In if you tell us you have one Leasing 101: The Straight Skinny if you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Here’s The Information We Need To Analyze Your ‘Best-Offer’ Lease Numbers With You If you’re leasing or undecided THE COST OF THIS UNIQUE PACKAGE: 4995 That includes all the information you need for any one vehicle Additional vehicles: 1500 each More than half of our customers add one or more as fall-back alternatives This could become a small but wise 1500 decision if you find it difficult to deal on your first choice The average new car sells for over 35000 today Important Note: This is a service for NEW VEHICLES ONLY We have no information on used vehicles Also we have NO CANADIAN PRICING DATA HOW TO PLACE AN ORDER AND HOW AND WHEN YOU’LL RECEIVE IT To place an order on our secure encrypted order form click on the Ordering link in the upper left column To see the vehicles for which we have pricing info click on Auto Pricing link in that column If you’d prefer to place a phone order or if you have questions that aren’t answered here you may call our order desk at 1-800-288-1134 between 9:15AM and 4:00PM Pacific time Monday through Friday WE SEND 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James Bragg 146000 new-car shoppers have used our competitive bidding process to get the lowest price possible without walking into a single car store to haggle With our empowering guide to buying or leasing a new car you’ll be in total control conducting the process from your home or office among several dealers that you choose We teach you exactly what to say and do and when to do it And we’ll be here to answer your questions by phone including going through your best-offer lease numbers WARNING! Our facts and recommendations contradict almost everything you’re being told by those big new-car buying and info sites which get all their revenue from the automakers and the dealers they send you to But it’s 2019 not 1994 and it’s time you stopped looking at the way to buy a new car through their broken rear-view mirrors Your responsibility as a person is to constantly update your positions on as many things as possible If you don’t contradict yourself regularly you’re not thinking – Malcolm Gladwell THE TRUTH MATTERS THESE ARE THE ESSENTIAL FACTS THEY DON’T WANT YOU TO KNOW 1 You are shopping for a commodity It’s the same car with the same price structure at every dealer selling that brand Think copper crude oil pork bellies soybeans I learned that in 1997 when a customer shopping for a Ford Contour compact sedan called and said I just contacted 12 Ford dealers for price proposals and it was like rolling a bottle of wine into a jail cell full of drunks! 2 Every dealer’s fiercest competitors aren’t other brands They’re the other stores selling the same brand Every new-car shopper ends up choosing one brand’s vehicle And every brand has from hundreds to over 3000 dealers 3 The art of any deal is one little word: leverage Yet most new-car shoppers still play the fool’s game by walking into car stores one at a time to haggle the price a game they always lose because their leverage is a big fat zero 4 The leverage shifts dramatically from the dealer to you when you get several of them competing for your business – ideally at least 9 or 10 no matter how far from you they are Few dealerships decline to participate because the retail car business has hit a wall entering a multi-year no/slow growth period 5 Holdback is fading into the sunset That’s money dealers get from automakers after a sale is made These luxury brands have already dumped it: Audi BMW Cadillac Infiniti Jaguar Land Rover Lexus Lincoln and Mercedes-Benz I expect other brands to follow suit over the next several years 6 Factory-to-dealer cash programs today are rarely vehicle-specific Instead they’re based on secret multi-month total sales targets that are set dealer-by-dealer And an important part of that cash bonus is usually also based on more subjective elements like the effectiveness of a dealership’s factory-certified used car employee training and online marketing programs as well as on customers’ dealer satisfaction ratings from their sales and service experiences 7 The new-car business has a significant seasonality pattern with monthly sales ranging from under 7 to over 11 of a year’s total So dealers must keep their cumulative sales in synch with cumulative seasonality to reach their multi-month targets 8 Given that reality there are almost always some dealerships trailing their targets and more strongly motivated to make aggressive price proposals than others And this month’s low bidder may be next month’s high bidder depending on its sales status then 9 There is never a good price or right price to pay for any new car The only right price is the best out-the-door price you can get by having at least 9 or 10 dealers compete for your business That’s the agreed-upon price of the car plus sales tax state registration fees and any other dealer charges Example: A customer got 9 dealers to compete for the redesigned Honda CR-V and paid 1090 below invoice The 8 other bids: 900 below 510 below 410 below 180 below and 300 over invoice 460 over 530 over and 930 over – a 2020 spread! What should I have told him would be a good price Any number I picked would have been dead wrong The winning sales manager said This is the only smart way to buy a car But if everyone did it this way we’d be out of business 10 Those big Internet car-info and buying sites aren’t in business to get you the best price The bulk of their revenue comes from car-company advertising and the 300 referral fees they get when you buy or lease a car from dealers they send you to in their networks Even Consumer Reports which once promised it wouldn’t recommend any product or service for financial gain earns substantial revenue from TrueCar when you drive home a car from the TrueCar dealers CR sends you to in its Build amp Buy service Those sites are in business to help dealers sell cars profitably to pocket those referral commissions which come from your pocket If you contact them for price proposals the dealers in their networks will be on you like red ants on a spilt snow cone Your first discussion with them should be when you call their Internet Sales Managers to get their participation in the Fighting Chance competitive bidding process It ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble It’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so – Mark Twain THE INDUSTRY WANTS US TO BELIEVE THE INVOICE IS A REAL COST NUMBER BUT IT JUST AIN’T SO AND IT AIN’T BEEN SO FOR A LONG LONG TIME 11 The invoice hasn’t been a vehicle cost for well over two decades and probably forever In the mid-1990s the auto industry launched a phony redesign of the automaker-dealer financial relationship by systematically raising the invoice price by more than it raised the retail/sticker price year after year cutting the difference between the two dramatically and turning the invoice into a bloated imposter To see that multi-year ongoing con job click here I unearthed this scam in 2012 by analyzing almost 2 decades of new-car pricing files then wrote a book titled Letting The Cat Out of the Bag – How the Auto Industry Redesigned The Dealer Invoice Price When The Internet Arrived I sent a copy to a friend at USA TODAY and was invited to an 11/27/12 Automotive Roundtable discussion based on that book as to whether online car shopping and information services are believable and are relevant in today’s market The heavyweights there were all senior executives from Carscom Edmunds Kelley Blue Book TrueCar and Consumer Reports That bombshell pricing exhibit was the discussion’s centerpiece You could have heard a pin drop as they read it No one was aware of that fact though it had been right under their noses for 17 years! I asked the Consumer Reports representative Who’s been running your New Car Pricing Service for the past 17 years Rip Van Winkle He was not amused To read most of the USA TODAY Don’t Trust The Invoice Price write-up which dubbed me a peppery contrarian and see my take on that meeting click here That subterfuge has made new-car pricing laughable Check the tiny percentage differences between the base invoice and retail /sticker prices for the most expensive models of each brand Acura/5-7 Audi/7 BMW/6 Buick/4-5 Cadillac/5 Chevy/5-7 Chrysler/1-4 Dodge/3-4 Ford/1-7 Genesis/4-5 GMC/5-7 Honda/3-9 Hyundai/3-5 Infiniti/7 Jeep/2-5 Kia/4-7 Lexus/5-8 Lincoln/4-6 Mazda/3-5 Mercedes/7 Mitsubishi/2-3 Nissan/2-7 Ram/4-9 Subaru/5-7 Toyota/4-9 VW/4 Volvo/6 And that’s if you pay the full sticker price! Who does that The guy who thinks Taco Bell is a Mexican phone company Or the gal who thinks the National Guard is an All-American football player Common Sense: If you and I wanted to start a retail business selling a product with a 100 MSRP that no one would pay but cost us 91 to 99 we’d never open the door to customers! But for decades we both have swallowed hook line and sinker the preposterous notion that the automakers have been telling us what their dealers pay for their cars If that were true and we owned a dealership we’d have gone ballistic decades ago But that’s never happened Ready for a good laugh Here’s the 2019 pricing on the Limited model of the Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid minivan: Invoice: 45291 Retail: 45395! Add the fact that a typical dealership’s overhead expense is 11 to 15 of its revenue and you’ll understand why today’s invoice prices are a total joke And clearly the industry is having a good laugh at our gullibility It’s almost impossible to carry the torch of truth through a crowd without singeing somebody’s beard – George Christoph Lichtenberg Apparently mortified by its two-decade failure to recognize the industry’s phony pricing scheme Consumer Reports dumped one of its major cash cows its New Car Price Service That’s the one they claimed would tell you the dealer’s true cost and how much wiggle room you had And it took just one obvious fact unearthed by this old marketing man to kill it My multiple articles on the website of Clark Howard the country’s best-known and most respected general consumer advocate may have accelerated its demise Can there be any stronger evidence that the way to get the best price on a new car has changed forever The inside story of the discovery of that game-changing fact is told in the book mentioned above available in paperback and Kindle formats at Amazon To read the back cover copy Preface Table of Contents and the first four chapters click here NEW-CAR SALES HAVE HIT A WALL THAT GIVES YOU MOST OF THE NEGOTIATING LEVERAGE IN APRIL All the pent-up demand from the recession has been satisfied 2015 was the last growth year with sales up 57 A 3 gain was forecast for 2016 but the result was a tiny 03 2017 sales slipped 18 to 172 million about 300000 units behind 2016 They inched up just 06 last year then slipped 32 in the first 3 months of this year Car sales fell 108 Trucks inched up 04 This looks like the start of a tough sales year The retail automotive industry expected tough sledding this year with increased sales volatility and likely interest rate hikes Large dealership groups have cut costs laying off people in response AutoNation the 1 group with over 250 retail locations has executed a corporate restructuring with slower industry sales as a key reason Sonic Automotive 5 with over 100 stores has cut 6 of its 9750 employees in a 20 million savings effort As a result the market is more competitive than ever with automakers spending more to move the metal In a word you’ve got more deal-making leverage now than you’ve had in years If you’re planning to get a new car this month this last full week is prime time to get the best price So NOW is the time to place an order WHAT’S IN THE FIGHTING CHANCE PACKAGE 1 You’ll have the only independent unbiased source of truthful information and powerful negotiating advice on the Internet I’ve been focused single-mindedly on this subject since before the Dead Sea got sick and much of that knowledge has come from customers’ feedback 2 You’ll have a coach as you go through the process Got a question Call us Want to run the best lease numbers you’ve received before you sign the papers Call us 3 In the package’s centerpiece How To Conduct The Phone Email competitive bidding you’ll learn exactly what to do and say each step of the way as you conduct the process from your home or office We also tell you the best day of that month to start it This package changes over time Simply faxing or emailing dealers doesn’t work well today 4 You’ll receive our signature Big Picture analysis of how the brands and the specific vehicles you’re considering have been doing in the market Are your model’s sales up or down What’s the current holdback information for brands that use it Several don’t And to the extent we’ve had feedback in this little information boutique how much over or under the total invoice have customers reported paying for it excluding sales tax and vehicle registration fees 5 You’ll get the current sticker/MSRP and dealer invoice pricing data for the vehicles you’re considering covering all the trim levels and factory equipment packages 6 You’ll also get these insightful articles most of them information no other auto-info site tells you Can You Get The Vehicle Configuration You Want Things To Consider About Placing A Factory Order Today Incentives Often Differ From Market To Market Here’s How To Check The Offers Where You Are The Crucial Financial Importance Of A Dealership’s Customer Satisfaction Rating How We Abandoned Our Inborn Common Sense About New-Car Pricing How The Industry Has Turned The Invoice Price Into A Bloated Imposter By Continually Raising It By More Than The MSRP For Over Two Decades How New-Car Dealers Make The Big Bucks And How They Don’t Two Big ‘Fake News’ Sales Come-ons To Ignore The Myth Of Vehicle-Specific Dealer Cash Incentives Important Note On The Pricing Of Dealer-Installed Accessories Have You Chosen A Crashworthy Vehicle Thoughts On Buying A Demo Or Last Year’s Leftover Model Should You Buy An Extended Warranty Dealing With A Trade-In if you tell us you have one Leasing 101: The Straight Skinny if you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Here’s The Information We Need To Analyze Your ‘Best-Offer’ Lease Numbers With You If you’re leasing or undecided THE COST OF THIS UNIQUE PACKAGE: 4995 That includes all the information you need for any one vehicle Additional vehicles: 1500 each More than half of our customers add one or more as fall-back alternatives This could become a small but wise 1500 decision if you find it difficult to deal on your first choice The average new car sells for over 35000 today Important Note: This is a service for NEW VEHICLES ONLY We have no information on used vehicles Also we have NO CANADIAN PRICING DATA HOW TO PLACE AN ORDER AND HOW AND WHEN YOU’LL RECEIVE IT To place an order on our secure encrypted order form click on the Ordering link in the upper left column To see the vehicles for which we have pricing info click on Auto Pricing link in that column If you’d prefer to place a phone order or if you have questions that aren’t answered here you may call our order desk at 1-800-288-1134 between 9:15AM and 4:00PM Pacific time Monday through Friday WE SEND 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Someone needed the hunger for the truth the tenacity to uncover it and the backbone and guts to reveal it to you I was the only candidate James Bragg 146000 new-car shoppers have used our competitive bidding process to get the lowest price possible without walking into a single car store to haggle With our empowering guide to buying or leasing a new car you’ll be in total control conducting the process from your home or office among several dealers that you choose We teach you exactly what to say and do and when to do it And we’ll be here to answer your questions by phone including going through your best-offer lease numbers WARNING! Our facts and recommendations contradict almost everything you’re being told by those big new-car buying and info sites which get all their revenue from the automakers and the dealers they send you to But it’s 2019 not 1994 and it’s time you stopped looking at the way to buy a new car through their broken rear-view mirrors Your responsibility as a person is to constantly update your positions on as many things as possible If you don’t contradict yourself regularly you’re not thinking – Malcolm Gladwell THE TRUTH MATTERS THESE ARE THE ESSENTIAL FACTS THEY DON’T WANT YOU TO KNOW 1 You are shopping for a commodity It’s the same car with the same price structure at every dealer selling that brand Think copper crude oil pork bellies soybeans I learned that in 1997 when a customer shopping for a Ford Contour compact sedan called and said I just contacted 12 Ford dealers for price proposals and it was like rolling a bottle of wine into a jail cell full of drunks! 2 Every dealer’s fiercest competitors aren’t other brands They’re the other stores selling the same brand Every new-car shopper ends up choosing one brand’s vehicle And every brand has from hundreds to over 3000 dealers 3 The art of any deal is one little word: leverage Yet most new-car shoppers still play the fool’s game by walking into car stores one at a time to haggle the price a game they always lose because their leverage is a big fat zero 4 The leverage shifts dramatically from the dealer to you when you get several of them competing for your business – ideally at least 9 or 10 no matter how far from you they are Few dealerships decline to participate because the retail car business has hit a wall entering a multi-year no/slow growth period 5 Holdback is fading into the sunset That’s money dealers get from automakers after a sale is made These luxury brands have already dumped it: Audi BMW Cadillac Infiniti Jaguar Land Rover Lexus Lincoln and Mercedes-Benz I expect other brands to follow suit over the next several years 6 Factory-to-dealer cash programs today are rarely vehicle-specific Instead they’re based on secret multi-month total sales targets that are set dealer-by-dealer And an important part of that cash bonus is usually also based on more subjective elements like the effectiveness of a dealership’s factory-certified used car employee training and online marketing programs as well as on customers’ dealer satisfaction ratings from their sales and service experiences 7 The new-car business has a significant seasonality pattern with monthly sales ranging from under 7 to over 11 of a year’s total So dealers must keep their cumulative sales in synch with cumulative seasonality to reach their multi-month targets 8 Given that reality there are almost always some dealerships trailing their targets and more strongly motivated to make aggressive price proposals than others And this month’s low bidder may be next month’s high bidder depending on its sales status then 9 There is never a good price or right price to pay for any new car The only right price is the best out-the-door price you can get by having at least 9 or 10 dealers compete for your business That’s the agreed-upon price of the car plus sales tax state registration fees and any other dealer charges Example: A customer got 9 dealers to compete for the redesigned Honda CR-V and paid 1090 below invoice The 8 other bids: 900 below 510 below 410 below 180 below and 300 over invoice 460 over 530 over and 930 over – a 2020 spread! What should I have told him would be a good price Any number I picked would have been dead wrong The winning sales manager said This is the only smart way to buy a car But if everyone did it this way we’d be out of business 10 Those big Internet car-info and buying sites aren’t in business to get you the best price The bulk of their revenue comes from car-company advertising and the 300 referral fees they get when you buy or lease a car from dealers they send you to in their networks Even Consumer Reports which once promised it wouldn’t recommend any product or service for financial gain earns substantial revenue from TrueCar when you drive home a car from the TrueCar dealers CR sends you to in its Build amp Buy service Those sites are in business to help dealers sell cars profitably to pocket those referral commissions which come from your pocket If you contact them for price proposals the dealers in their networks will be on you like red ants on a spilt snow cone Your first discussion with them should be when you call their Internet Sales Managers to get their participation in the Fighting Chance competitive bidding process It ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble It’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so – Mark Twain THE INDUSTRY WANTS US TO BELIEVE THE INVOICE IS A REAL COST NUMBER BUT IT JUST AIN’T SO AND IT AIN’T BEEN SO FOR A LONG LONG TIME 11 The invoice hasn’t been a vehicle cost for well over two decades and probably forever In the mid-1990s the auto industry launched a phony redesign of the automaker-dealer financial relationship by systematically raising the invoice price by more than it raised the retail/sticker price year after year cutting the difference between the two dramatically and turning the invoice into a bloated imposter To see that multi-year ongoing con job click here I unearthed this scam in 2012 by analyzing almost 2 decades of new-car pricing files then wrote a book titled Letting The Cat Out of the Bag – How the Auto Industry Redesigned The Dealer Invoice Price When The Internet Arrived I sent a copy to a friend at USA TODAY and was invited to an 11/27/12 Automotive Roundtable discussion based on that book as to whether online car shopping and information services are believable and are relevant in today’s market The heavyweights there were all senior executives from Carscom Edmunds Kelley Blue Book TrueCar and Consumer Reports That bombshell pricing exhibit was the discussion’s centerpiece You could have heard a pin drop as they read it No one was aware of that fact though it had been right under their noses for 17 years! I asked the Consumer Reports representative Who’s been running your New Car Pricing Service for the past 17 years Rip Van Winkle He was not amused To read most of the USA TODAY Don’t Trust The Invoice Price write-up which dubbed me a peppery contrarian and see my take on that meeting click here That subterfuge has made new-car pricing laughable Check the tiny percentage differences between the base invoice and retail /sticker prices for the most expensive models of each brand Acura/5-7 Audi/7 BMW/6 Buick/4-5 Cadillac/5 Chevy/5-7 Chrysler/1-4 Dodge/3-4 Ford/1-7 Genesis/4-5 GMC/5-7 Honda/3-9 Hyundai/3-5 Infiniti/7 Jeep/2-5 Kia/4-7 Lexus/5-8 Lincoln/4-6 Mazda/3-5 Mercedes/7 Mitsubishi/2-3 Nissan/2-7 Ram/4-9 Subaru/5-7 Toyota/4-9 VW/4 Volvo/6 And that’s if you pay the full sticker price! Who does that The guy who thinks Taco Bell is a Mexican phone company Or the gal who thinks the National Guard is an All-American football player Common Sense: If you and I wanted to start a retail business selling a product with a 100 MSRP that no one would pay but cost us 91 to 99 we’d never open the door to customers! But for decades we both have swallowed hook line and sinker the preposterous notion that the automakers have been telling us what their dealers pay for their cars If that were true and we owned a dealership we’d have gone ballistic decades ago But that’s never happened Ready for a good laugh Here’s the 2019 pricing on the Limited model of the Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid minivan: Invoice: 45291 Retail: 45395! Add the fact that a typical dealership’s overhead expense is 11 to 15 of its revenue and you’ll understand why today’s invoice prices are a total joke And clearly the industry is having a good laugh at our gullibility It’s almost impossible to carry the torch of truth through a crowd without singeing somebody’s beard – George Christoph Lichtenberg Apparently mortified by its two-decade failure to recognize the industry’s phony pricing scheme Consumer Reports dumped one of its major cash cows its New Car Price Service That’s the one they claimed would tell you the dealer’s true cost and how much wiggle room you had And it took just one obvious fact unearthed by this old marketing man to kill it My multiple articles on the website of Clark Howard the country’s best-known and most respected general consumer advocate may have accelerated its demise Can there be any stronger evidence that the way to get the best price on a new car has changed forever The inside story of the discovery of that game-changing fact is told in the book mentioned above available in paperback and Kindle formats at Amazon To read the back cover copy Preface Table of Contents and the first four chapters click here NEW-CAR SALES HAVE HIT A WALL THAT GIVES YOU MOST OF THE NEGOTIATING LEVERAGE IN APRIL All the pent-up demand from the recession has been satisfied 2015 was the last growth year with sales up 57 A 3 gain was forecast for 2016 but the result was a tiny 03 2017 sales slipped 18 to 172 million about 300000 units behind 2016 They inched up just 06 last year then slipped 32 in the first 3 months of this year Car sales fell 108 Trucks inched up 04 This looks like the start of a tough sales year The retail automotive industry expected tough sledding this year with increased sales volatility and likely interest rate hikes Large dealership groups have cut costs laying off people in response AutoNation the 1 group with over 250 retail locations has executed a corporate restructuring with slower industry sales as a key reason Sonic Automotive 5 with over 100 stores has cut 6 of its 9750 employees in a 20 million savings effort As a result the market is more competitive than ever with automakers spending more to move the metal In a word you’ve got more deal-making leverage now than you’ve had in years If you’re planning to get a new car this month this last full week is prime time to get the best price So NOW is the time to place an order WHAT’S IN THE FIGHTING CHANCE PACKAGE 1 You’ll have the only independent unbiased source of truthful information and powerful negotiating advice on the Internet I’ve been focused single-mindedly on this subject since before the Dead Sea got sick and much of that knowledge has come from customers’ feedback 2 You’ll have a coach as you go through the process Got a question Call us Want to run the best lease numbers you’ve received before you sign the papers Call us 3 In the package’s centerpiece How To Conduct The Phone Email competitive bidding you’ll learn exactly what to do and say each step of the way as you conduct the process from your home or office We also tell you the best day of that month to start it This package changes over time Simply faxing or emailing dealers doesn’t work well today 4 You’ll receive our signature Big Picture analysis of how the brands and the specific vehicles you’re considering have been doing in the market Are your model’s sales up or down What’s the current holdback information for brands that use it Several don’t And to the extent we’ve had feedback in this little information boutique how much over or under the total invoice have customers reported paying for it excluding sales tax and vehicle registration fees 5 You’ll get the current sticker/MSRP and dealer invoice pricing data for the vehicles you’re considering covering all the trim levels and factory equipment packages 6 You’ll also get these insightful articles most of them information no other auto-info site tells you Can You Get The Vehicle Configuration You Want Things To Consider About Placing A Factory Order Today Incentives Often Differ From Market To Market Here’s How To Check The Offers Where You Are The Crucial Financial Importance Of A Dealership’s Customer Satisfaction Rating How We Abandoned Our Inborn Common Sense About New-Car Pricing How The Industry Has Turned The Invoice Price Into A Bloated Imposter By Continually Raising It By More Than The MSRP For Over Two Decades How New-Car Dealers Make The Big Bucks And How They Don’t Two Big ‘Fake News’ Sales Come-ons To Ignore The Myth Of Vehicle-Specific Dealer Cash Incentives Important Note On The Pricing Of Dealer-Installed Accessories Have You Chosen A Crashworthy Vehicle Thoughts On Buying A Demo Or Last Year’s Leftover Model Should You Buy An Extended Warranty Dealing With A Trade-In if you tell us you have one Leasing 101: The Straight Skinny if you tell us you’re leasing or undecided Here’s The Information We Need To Analyze Your ‘Best-Offer’ Lease Numbers With You If you’re leasing or undecided THE COST OF THIS UNIQUE PACKAGE: 4995 That includes all the information you need for any one vehicle Additional vehicles: 1500 each More than half of our customers add one or more as fall-back alternatives This could become a small but wise 1500 decision if you find it difficult to deal on your first choice The average new car sells for over 35000 today Important Note: This is a service for NEW VEHICLES ONLY We have no information on used vehicles Also we have NO CANADIAN PRICING DATA HOW TO PLACE AN ORDER AND HOW AND WHEN YOU’LL RECEIVE IT To place an order on our secure encrypted order form click on the Ordering link in the upper left column To see the vehicles for which we have pricing info click on Auto Pricing link in that column If you’d prefer to place a phone order or if you have questions that aren’t answered here you may call our order desk at 1-800-288-1134 between 9:15AM and 4:00PM Pacific time Monday through Friday WE SEND 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